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Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20} |
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Posted by Mr RT on Thu Jul 8 07:59:01 2010, in response to Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 8 02:50:10 2010. If the customer has an unlimited MC there is no issue here.If they have a "value" MC then it's simple a matter of "authorizing" the Transfer. For cash customers "paper" Transfers don't work in the subways & for someone leaving the subway there is no Transfer "stock" available there to dispense ... or staff to do that. |
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| (201079) | |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 8 08:11:21 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by Mr RT on Thu Jul 8 07:59:01 2010. Mr RT, clearly the transfers would be for transferring between the Bx10 and Bx7. I.e. manhattan-bound you swipe your metrocard on the Bx10 and at the subway, but use the paper transfer for the Bx7. Bronx-bound you swipe your metrocard at the subway and on the Bx7 and then use the paper transfer on the Bx10. I don't understand why you even brought up the following two obvious but irrelevant facts:1. "If the customer has an unlimited MC there is no issue here." 2. "For cash customers "paper" Transfers don't work in the subways & for someone leaving the subway there is no Transfer "stock" available there to dispense ... or staff to do that." |
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Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20} |
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Posted by Pelham R62A on Thu Jul 8 08:57:01 2010, in response to Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 8 02:50:10 2010. Who cares if they don't want to do it? Other neighborhoods saw cuts too and are dealing with it. Besides, you still have a FREE transfer at 168th Street. Done deal.Besides, what is the difference of travel time taking the Bx7 to 207th Street and then the A to 168th Street versus taking the 1 to 168th Street? |
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Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20} |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 8 09:06:57 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by Pelham R62A on Thu Jul 8 08:57:01 2010. BIG difference in walking distance, comfort, and the ability to get a seat. Probably not as big a difference in time, though the bus to the A is still likely faster. |
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Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20} |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Thu Jul 8 09:36:12 2010, in response to Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 8 02:50:10 2010. Isn't this whole point moot anyway since most people in that area ride express buses anyway? :-) |
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Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20} |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 8 11:18:12 2010, in response to Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 8 02:50:10 2010. I'm glad someone finally raised this issue which is prevalent throught the City. You shouldn't be forced to buy an unlimited if you don't want to. |
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Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20} |
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Posted by Mr RT on Thu Jul 8 11:20:22 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 8 08:11:21 2010. There you go again ...Transfering between two bus routes CAN be "authorized" so you just dip your MC. You & Tony Clifton should stop with the inflammatory remarks. All it does is get folks mad at the way you say things & ignore what you said ! I will not read any reply to this because it will be some more of your dribble. |
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Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20} |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Jul 8 11:32:27 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Thu Jul 8 09:36:12 2010. Not as many as one would like to believe. In the past, when a one-leg transfer was lost, the MTA would put a two-leg transfer in place (i.e., when the B61 and B62 were split, and when Q83 service to the Queens Village RR station was discontinued and replaced by an extended Q27).This should not have been a second thought. |
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Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20} |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Thu Jul 8 11:34:36 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by Pelham R62A on Thu Jul 8 08:57:01 2010. avoiding the elevator is one reason |
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Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20} |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Jul 8 11:39:59 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by Pelham R62A on Thu Jul 8 08:57:01 2010. You're missing the point: people traveling from Kappock Street and the southern part of the HHP service road (high 220s and low 230s) would need to use two transfers or significantly backtrack to complete a trip. |
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Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20} |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Jul 8 12:33:51 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Jul 8 11:32:27 2010. Here's a simple and convenient idea:Two transfers for every fare paid, everywhere, including subway, as long as the subway is only entered once. How much money would they lose? |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Jul 8 12:49:32 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 8 11:18:12 2010. As I mentioned elsewhere in the thread, I hold that the best way to handle this is to just give people three-legged trips (two transfers) citywide. It would put an end to these exceptional situations, I think at little cost to MTA. It would also keep to one fare those who need to go from one extreme of the city (accessible by bus only) to another.I was in this type of situation for a number of years. My origin and destination were covered by local bus or express bus only and not subway. My options were: Express bus to Manhattan for second express bus (free transfer) ($5 fare at the time) Local bus to subway to local bus ($4 fare at the time) These being my only options, I felt like I was leaving the city. Granted my case is exceptional but since my origin and destination were within city boundaries, I felt I deserved the $2 fare. The other idea of time-based fares (one fare gets you unlimited access for a certain number of hours) is ok with me too but I think the current technology facilitates the double transfer more easily since it's already in use in places. |
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Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20} |
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Posted by Pelham R62A on Thu Jul 8 14:15:27 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Jul 8 11:39:59 2010. If you take the Bx10 to 231 St, then the 1 down to 168th and ride the elevator up to the A, what's the big issue? Yes, its a longer, more inconvienient of a transfer and you may have to stand on the A train but its a transfer nonetheless. Everyone talks about the elevators at 168th but I used that transfer between 2005 and 2007 without incident. From what I remember, they had three manned elevators, unless that's changed.Is there high ridership on that portion of the Bx20 which is not complimented by the Bx7? |
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Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20} |
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Posted by Q46 LTD Glen Oaks on Thu Jul 8 15:31:29 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by Pelham R62A on Thu Jul 8 14:15:27 2010. Theres only 1-2 manned elevators now depending on the day and they've gotten a lot worse as time progresses. It never fails that one of the elevators is NIS. To answer your question not really. The Bx20 is never SRO unless the BX10 doesn't come for a while but it does get a decent crowd. |
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Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20} |
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Posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Thu Jul 8 18:05:07 2010, in response to Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 8 02:50:10 2010. [In order for riders to get to the A train during those hours, they would have to either switch to the Bx7 to Manhattan and pay a second fare when they got to the subway, or take the No. 1 train on West 231st Street and to 168th Street and transfer there to the A, at no additional charge.]Why is it so essential to get to the A? If they're going to the Upper West Side, they can stay on the 1 to an appropriate station or switch back at 59th Street. Or they can stay on the Bx10 and switch to the D at East 205th. The key is that all "Riverdalians" still have access to some part of the subway system, even if it isn't their favorite train. [The passageways commuters would have to use at 168th Street stink of urine, Mr. Dinowitz said last week, and Riverdale bus maven Marc Sawyer agreed, and added that the elevator in the station is often broken. Mr. Sawyer also said that he believes the corridors, which are poorly lit, are dangerous.] Those "Riverdalians" would still object even if the elevators ran like clockwork and the passageways were brightly lit and lemony fresh. |
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Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20} |
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Posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Thu Jul 8 18:13:01 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Jul 8 12:33:51 2010. Here's a simple and convenient idea:Two transfers for every fare paid, everywhere, including subway, as long as the subway is only entered once. My take on that is slightly different: Get rid of all transfer privileges in favor of a two-and-a-half-hour pass. Once you dip or swipe, you get unlimited use of the entire "base" system (i.e. subway and local bus) for the next 2.5 hours, including a return trip. |
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Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20} |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Thu Jul 8 19:13:36 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Thu Jul 8 18:05:07 2010. Why is it so essential to get to the A?(A) has express service. Or they can stay on the Bx10 and switch to the D at East 205th. The (1) would be a better option than this |
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Posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Thu Jul 8 19:33:53 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Thu Jul 8 19:13:36 2010. Why is it so essential to get to the A?- - - - - - - - - - (A) has express service. Except for those (many, many) weekends when it doesn't. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Jul 8 19:34:18 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Thu Jul 8 19:13:36 2010. With or without an extra free transfer I would never pass by the 1 train station to get on another bus to go to the A train. The 1 and A never get far apart and the time savings can't be any more than 3 or 4 minutes if even that. |
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Posted by 9 local on Thu Jul 8 19:45:52 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Thu Jul 8 19:13:36 2010. The A does not have express service above 168th Street, which is where it intersects with the 1. Plus, the 1 train to 168th is MUCH faster than the bus was. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jul 8 20:09:04 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Thu Jul 8 19:33:53 2010. Service cuts ≠ The norm. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 8 21:48:18 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Jul 8 19:34:18 2010. Don't knock it 'til you've tried it. Seriously. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Jul 8 22:13:29 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Thu Jul 8 18:05:07 2010. Why might it be essential to get to the (A)? For ADA compliance, especially if one needs to get to Harlem or the West Village/Greenwich Village. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Jul 8 22:13:30 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Thu Jul 8 18:05:07 2010. Why might it be essential to get to the (A)? For ADA compliance, especially if one needs to get to Harlem or the West Village/Greenwich Village. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 8 23:11:29 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 8 11:18:12 2010. You shouldn't be forced to buy an unlimited if you don't want to. And you're not. So what's the issue? Take Pride,
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Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20} |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Jul 10 20:20:41 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 8 23:11:29 2010. The issue is that unlike you, I also think of other people. Also, I told you that I wouldn't reply to any more of your posts. so consider this my last reply to you. Things were great when you weren't here. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Jul 10 20:22:43 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Jul 8 12:49:32 2010. Three-legged trips or time-based option would be fairer than what we have now, even if the time is shortened from 2 hours to 90 minutes between the time you board the system and make your second transfer. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Jul 10 20:54:11 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Jul 10 20:22:43 2010. What was the policy in the 70s when bus routes such as the B1 were shorter and there was no free transfer to the subway? My ancestors tell me about cases, though they don't remember specifics, where you were allowed second transfers.On a semi-related note, can someone refresh me as to how the "Fare Deal" B46 worked with the 3 and 4 trains, and the story behind that? All I remember is that some deal existed but can't remember anything else. |
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Posted by B1bus on Sat Jul 10 21:05:21 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Jul 10 20:54:11 2010. There was also some discount return trip transfer with the B74. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jul 11 12:42:36 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by B1bus on Sat Jul 10 21:05:21 2010. Thought the B74 always hada free transfer with the subway. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jul 11 12:56:19 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Jul 10 20:54:11 2010. In the 70's except for Manhattan and the Bronx where bus transfers were mostly eliminated in 1962, you could transfer for free between buses at approximately 50% of the locations. I actually mapped all of them for Brooklyn for my Master's thesis. I can try to scan the page when I get a chance if you are interested. Everything couldn't be mapped exactly so there are some approximations.Regarding third transfers, there were many. Whenever any route was shortened, a third transfer existed usually obtained when handing the driver a transfer. Some were obtained as you left the bus e.g. at Williamsburg Plaza. In the 30's many trolley routes were extended to Coney Island for summers only such as some B52s which operated via Gates, Franklin, Ocean Avenue, Parkside and Coney Island Avenue. I believe during other times of the year you could still make the trip for one fare by picking up and giving the drivers transfers. I once figured out that the most number of buses you could take for a single fare was 14. Sounds great until you realize that many two bus trips such as the B35 to the B46 required two fares. Add-a-rides were used starting in about the 1980s at those locations where you paid one and a half fares instead of getting a free transfer, rounded down to the nearest nickel. Remember the term fare deal" but not what it stood for. There were othe discounts also like "Night on the Town" in Midtown Manhattan. Think that was 75 cents for unlimited trsnfers between 7 and 10 PM. Believe the fare was 20 cents then, so it wasn't a bargain. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Jul 11 14:39:11 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by Pelham R62A on Thu Jul 8 14:15:27 2010. What if you need ADA access to reach a point south of Columbia Presbyterian? |
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Posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Sun Jul 11 15:07:51 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Jul 11 14:39:11 2010. [What if you need ADA access to reach a point south of Columbia Presbyterian?]Just take three buses, use the wheelchair lifts, and don't bother using the little envelopes that the drivers give you. |
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Posted by X-Astorian on Sun Jul 11 16:13:05 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jul 11 12:56:19 2010. I for one would very much like to see your thesis map if you have the chance to scan it.Regarding the "Night on the Town" - it started in 1974 when fares were still 35 cents and was good on all Manhattan buses from 6 pm to 2 am, Monday through Saturday. Not such a bad deal. Another "deal" was the Midtown Shopper's Bus Ticket which cost 75 cents when started in the fall of 1973. It allowed unlimited riding within the grid bordered by 32 and 59 Streets and Third and Eighth Avenues. The hours were Mon-Fri 9:30 am to 4:30 pm, Thurs evening 6:30 to 10 pm (that was night that most stores stayed open late) and Saturday 9:30 am to 6:30 pm. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Jul 11 20:08:47 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by X-Astorian on Sun Jul 11 16:13:05 2010. It allowed unlimited riding within the grid bordered by 32 and 59 Streets and Third and Eighth Avenues.Unlimited boardings within the grid? Or did they actually get to the grid's border and throw people off who didn't pay a regular fare? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Jul 11 20:16:41 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Thu Jul 8 18:05:07 2010. Back many years ago when I lived in Riverdale and worked on Wall St., the best way to get there was the Bx7 bus to the A train, then that train to Fulton St. The A, being express, was faster than any combination of the 1 and other trains. I imagine those who are in the Bx10/Bx20 catchment area rather than the Bx7 might have similar commutes today. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Jul 11 20:18:15 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Thu Jul 8 18:05:07 2010. "Or they can stay on the Bx10 and switch to the D at East 205th."You're joking, right? That is the longest local bus trip ever. |
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Posted by X-Astorian on Sun Jul 11 20:37:26 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Jul 11 20:08:47 2010. Unlimited within the grid; then you could continue your last ride uptown, downtown or to Queens on the 15 (later M32) as long as you boarded within the grid. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jul 11 21:10:54 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by italianstallion on Sun Jul 11 20:18:15 2010. Yes, the Bx10's routing is ridiculous in the Bedford Park area. There's no needed for it to serve Lehman College 24/7, nor is there any need for it to serve Goulden Avenue at all. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 11 21:52:11 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Jul 10 20:20:41 2010. No, you only think of yourself! You've shown that to be true time and time again.I can only assume that the reason that you went off on this little rant is that you can't properly respond to what I wrote, that no one is being forced to buy an unlimited. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 11 21:55:24 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by Mr RT on Thu Jul 8 11:20:22 2010. Transfering between two bus routes CAN be "authorized" so you just dip your MC. Uh, that was the only one of your three points that I did NOT say was irrelevant. So why are you bringing it up again instead of defending the points which I DID say were irrelevant??? You really seem clueless. You can't even address what I write. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Jul 11 21:59:02 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Thu Jul 8 19:33:53 2010. That or rail replacement buses. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 12 01:40:09 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by Mr RT on Thu Jul 8 11:20:22 2010. There was ABSOLUTELY NOTHING inflammatory in his post. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Jul 12 08:51:12 2010, in response to Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 8 02:50:10 2010. That elevator issue is BS, there are 4 elevators at 168 - - however their complaints about the Bx20 and double transfer are valid.I am surprised no one is complaining about the Bx28/38 routing. The old Bx28 routing was roundabout if you wanted to go to/from section 5 but now between 7 PM - 12 Midnight M-F, 10 PM Saturday and 9 PM Sunday, you cannot take any bus along Gun Hill near the 5 train to sections 2 and 3 because on the Bx28 will be running (and only through Bartow Ave to section 5 only.). If anything, when the Bx38 stops running, the Bx28 should have run around Co-Op City, now you will need a double transfer to the QBx1 or use the Bx30 at Baychester. |
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Posted by rionOne on Mon Jul 12 11:56:30 2010, in response to Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 8 02:50:10 2010. Ok Applesauce!!!The passageways commuters would have to use at 168th Street stink of urine, Mr. Dinowitz said last week, and Riverdale bus maven Marc Sawyer agreed, and added that the elevator in the station is often broken. Mr. Sawyer also said that he believes the corridors, which are poorly lit, are dangerous. I use that passageway quite frequently, it isn't the BEST smelling place in the world but it usually doesn't stink of urine, UNTIL you get on the front ends of the (1) platform where the homeless people chill at. As for the elevators, Elevators are elevators, I've seen brand new elevators out time and time again, but the elevators at 168th Street, there is usually never more than 1 elevator out at a time if any. -Trevor |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jul 12 12:38:47 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by X-Astorian on Sun Jul 11 16:13:05 2010. Thanks for the corrections on the special fares. Guess my memory has faded with age. Actually the map wasn't for my thesis, but one I prepared for the Department of City Planning two years later in 1975 and it only was for Southwest Brooklyn. Northern Brooklyn would have been considerably more difficult to map.Anyway. Here it is. If you can't read the legend, the bold lines indicate free transfers, and the thin lines indicate extra fare. You probably should save the image so you can blow it up.  |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 12 12:56:15 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jul 12 12:38:47 2010. You probably should save the image so you can blow it up. Blowing it up is useless. You need to rescan it at a higher resolution. |
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Posted by X-Astorian on Mon Jul 12 17:19:23 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jul 12 12:38:47 2010. "Thanks for the corrections on the special fares. Guess my memory has faded with age."Not to worry - my memory was enhanced only by having the old brochures at hand. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Jul 12 17:54:48 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jul 12 12:38:47 2010. Thank you!Would you know if the transfers that existed at the time were developed individually as the bus routes were created or if they were just hand-picked after the fact? Which agency, in the end, would you say was responsible for allowing / depriving transfers? Also, were the private companies (Command, Green, etc.) involved with transfers to/from city routes at all? I know I'm asking a lot, but when did transfers become more regular (like in the 90s it was pretty much every intersection where bus routes met)? In the 90s were there still points were routes met where transfers weren't allowed? Also, how were bus operators in general? Was it hit-or-miss if a driver will let you on if you are not at an exact location where the transfer is good? Or was it 90% one way or the other? Thanks again for your map giving me more of an insight into the history of the city buses. |
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