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It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Mar 8 18:40:10 2010 This idea would basically render the Q7 useless, but we can keep it to politically please those living along Sutter Avenue and 150th Street. This idea would also improve the bus route network in Southeastern Queens by a ton.View Larger Map Any thoughts? For those that can't see the map, the route basically runs down Conduit Avenue, Rockaway Boulevard, and Fulton Street between the Crescent Street subway station in Cypress Hills, Brooklyn and Macy's at the Green Acres Mall in Valley Stream, Long Island. On another note I'm wondering if there's any demand for a route between the Far Rockaway subway station and Green Acres seeing that Green Acres is the closest major shopping mall to Far Rockaway. |
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Posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Mon Mar 8 20:57:45 2010, in response to It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Mar 8 18:40:10 2010. [...the route basically runs down Conduit Avenue, Rockaway Boulevard, and Fulton Street between the Crescent Street subway station in Cypress Hills, Brooklyn and Macy's at the Green Acres Mall in Valley Stream, Long Island.]How much actual demand is there for such a route? A rough estimate could come from analyzing transfer activity between the J/Q24/Q8/Q112/Q41 and the Q5/Q85. Then again, that corner of Queens now has easy access to Gateway Center Mall via the Q8. That extension could easily have shifted some demand away from Green Acres. [On another note I'm wondering if there's any demand for a route between the Far Rockaway subway station and Green Acres seeing that Green Acres is the closest major shopping mall to Far Rockaway.] A first step might be to examine transfer activity between the N1 and N31/32. |
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Re: It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Mar 8 21:20:48 2010, in response to Re: It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route, posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Mon Mar 8 20:57:45 2010. How much actual demand is there for such a route? A rough estimate could come from analyzing transfer activity between the J/Q24/Q8/Q112/Q41 and the Q5/Q85.No, the most accurate way to measure potential ridership in this case would be to survey South Ozone Park (which the Green Acres service is dedicated for) residents. Then again, that corner of Queens now has easy access to Gateway Center Mall via the Q8. That extension could easily have shifted some demand away from Green Acres. Riders would still have access to the B13 and Q8. Anyways, you're not taking riders that will utilize the new bus transfers into account. A first step might be to examine transfer activity between the N1 and N31/32. N1 service is minimal south of Green Acres, but I agree, that would be the best place to start. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 8 21:31:23 2010, in response to It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Mar 8 18:40:10 2010.
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Posted by Hart Bus on Mon Mar 8 21:40:03 2010, in response to Re: It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route, posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Mon Mar 8 20:57:45 2010. Just looking at the map, I wonder how easy/difficult is to get to Queens Center Mall (Fairyland to us oldies) Target (Macy's) and Marshall's (Alexander's) ? |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Mar 9 11:12:48 2010, in response to It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Mar 8 18:40:10 2010. This idea would basically render the Q7 uselessI think that the whole south-eastern corner of Queens has a disaster of a bus network, and the entire thing needs to be redesigned. It's home to the majority of the most money-losing routes in the city, which points to one or both of poor network design and poor ridership. Here are the routes in the area (I don't think I have missed any, except that I have left out the express buses deliberately, as they're another disaster entirely). I have listed them with their annual direct operating loss (no routes in this area made a profit) and by their farebox recovery ratio. I've bolded those routes that are either losing more than $1 million (ten routes: Q7, Q8, Q11, Q22, Q35, Q41, Q53, Q60, Q110, Q111/Q113) or that recover less than 50% of their costs (one route: Q89). I've italicized the best routes, namely those that are recovering over 90% of their costs (three routes: Q9, Q10, Q37). B15, -$0.5m, 75% [NYCT] Q2, -$0.2m, 68% [NYCT] Q3, -$0.3m, 68% [NYCT] Q4, -$0.3m, 71% [NYCT] Q5, -$0.4m, 66% [NYCT] Q6, -$0.9m, 83% Q7, -$1.2m, 65% Q8, -$1.3m, 74% Q9, -$0.1m, 93% Q10, -$0.3m, 96% Q11, -$1.1m, 75% Q21, -$0.8m, 62% Q22, -$1.3m, 71% Q24, -$0.3m, 71% [NYCT] Q27, -$0.5m, 78% [NYCT] Q35, -$1.5m, 54% Q37, -$0.2m, 93% Q40, -$0.4m, 83% Q41, -$1.3m, 68% Q53, -$2.8m, 65% Q60, -$2.6m, 72% Q77, -$0.2m, 76% [NYCT] Q83, -$0.4m, 61% [NYCT] Q84, -$0.3m, 52% [NYCT] Q85, -$0.5m, 61% [NYCT] Q89, -$0.1m, 21% Q110, -$1.1m, 72% Q111/Q113, -$4.9m, 68% Q112, -$0.5m, 80% So, yes, your route may well work as part of a redesigned network for south-eastern Queens. It certainly looks relatively sensible on its own. But that's really the problem with that area: it's a load of routes that would work well on their own, but that have built up into a nightmare, not a network. I would therefore be interested in seeing how you would redesign the entire south-eastern Queens network, rather than just tinkering around the edges. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Mar 9 15:31:19 2010, in response to Re: It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route, posted by Hart Bus on Mon Mar 8 21:40:03 2010. Not to get too off-topic but was that Fairyland that was at Queens Center Mall part of a chain that had a Fairyland at Utica / Flatbush where the PETCO is now?Queens Center Mall, I think, is VERY easy to get to. Buses come from all directions. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Mar 9 15:32:29 2010, in response to Re: It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Mar 9 11:12:48 2010. I agree. Now that everything is under one entity, the routes need to act as if they complement each other, not so much competing with each other. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Mar 9 17:10:48 2010, in response to Re: It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Mar 9 11:12:48 2010. Good post, I'd post all of what I'd want to do with Southern and Eastern Queens but I don't want to bore the hell out of anyone here so I'll stick with the ideas I have most confidence in.- Extend the Q9 down to 150th Avenue & 130th Street. - Create a branch of the Q6 down 150th Street to Terminal 4 in JFK Airport. - Create a branch of the Q110 that continues down Jamaica Avenue east of Jamaica Avenue & Hempstead Avenue. - Reroute the Q40 to the Merrick Boulevard & Archer Avenue area instead of Hillside Avenue. - Reroute the Q2 so that it serves Jamaica Center instead of Hillside Avenue. - Extend the Q112 to Broadway Junction, reroute it in Jamaica so that it serves the Jamaica LIRR Station and Jamaica Center before ending in the Merrick Boulevard & Archer Avenue area. - Create a branch of the Q35 to the Kings Highway subway station |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Mar 9 17:12:42 2010, in response to Re: It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Mar 9 17:10:48 2010. I'd also like to add rerouting the Q60 to the Merrick Boulevard and Archer Avenue area. |
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Posted by Hart Bus on Tue Mar 9 17:19:12 2010, in response to Re: It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Mar 9 15:31:19 2010. As far as the Fairyland history, I don't know. Didn't know of the existence of the one in Brooklyn until about 2 years ago.I think you mis-understood my question. The poster that started this topic was talking about designing a route to Green Acres Mall. I was wondering how easy is it for people along the proposed route to get to the strip of malls on Queens Blvd. including Queens Center. I figure that between QC and Gateway, there probably isn't too much of a demand for the service he proposes. |
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Re: It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route |
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Posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Tue Mar 9 17:28:28 2010, in response to Re: It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Mar 8 21:20:48 2010. How much actual demand is there for such a route? A rough estimate could come from analyzing transfer activity between the J/Q24/Q8/Q112/Q41 and the Q5/Q85.No, the most accurate way to measure potential ridership in this case would be to survey South Ozone Park (which the Green Acres service is dedicated for) residents. Except that some people will lie and say they would use the bus because they think the surveyor wants to hear that. Check my post on another thread about "stated behavioral intent" (what people say they'll do) versus "actual behavior" (what they really end up doing). |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Mar 10 00:40:05 2010, in response to Re: It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route, posted by Hart Bus on Tue Mar 9 17:19:12 2010. Both Queens Center and Gateway Center are accessible through one bus transfer for residents that live along the Q7. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Mar 10 01:09:32 2010, in response to Re: It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Mar 9 15:31:19 2010. You are talking about the kiddie amusement area behind the Burger King's building? I remember that place and they had a pretty big arcade section as well.I only wished I got pics of it before they were all taken away. Now there's nothing special about that Burger King anymore :( |
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Posted by B49 Limited on Wed Mar 10 10:33:15 2010, in response to Re: It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Mar 9 17:10:48 2010. "Extend the Q9 down to 150th Avenue & 130th Street"Agree. Let it replace the Q 10 Rockaway Blvd Branch "Create a branch of the Q6 down 150th Street to Terminal 4 in JFK Airport" It should not be a branch but instead it should be streamline to replace the Q 7 portion to Cargo Area and terminal 4. The remaining portion of the route (to the Post office) should be replace by the Q7. This will be temporary for future service to Green Acres. "Create a branch of the Q110 that continues down Jamaica Avenue east of Jamaica Avenue & Hempstead Avenue." partially agree. The Q 36 and Q 110 should swap routes East of Hempstead Av. having a branch will duplicate the route. (Trying to do tihs by saving money) "Reroute the Q40 to the Merrick Boulevard & Archer Avenue area instead of Hillside Avenue." Disagree Q40 routing should remain the same. There is already too much traffic in the area, and the route serves both major subway lines on Suphin Blvd. "Reroute the Q2 so that it serves Jamaica Center instead of Hillside Avenue" Agree with the swapping of Q 36/110 that would now allow one bus to serve 179 St station and the other to serve the Jamaica/Parsons Station "Extend the Q112 to Broadway Junction, reroute it in Jamaica so that it serves the Jamaica LIRR Station and Jamaica Center before ending in the Merrick Boulevard & Archer Avenue area." I think it makes sense for the Q 112 to replace the B 12 in City Line but the MTA would not support it due to duplication and the Q 7 being nearby, but in terms of your Jamaica routing: What benefits would the Q 112 have if it serves the Jamiace LIRR station? Also its routing serves Jamaica Center already and terminates at the Parsons Blvd Station. So there is no need to change. "Create a branch of the Q35 to the Kings Highway subway station" No. Q 22/ 35 should be merged. Then extend the B 2 to Rockaway Pk. The new B 2 extension should operate rush hours only. other things I would suggest: Q111 Cederhurst rush hour service should be extended to Far Rockaway - Seagirt Blvd. The route should be extended along the old Q 113 LTD routing. Q1 and Q 43:Either eliminate Q 1 and keep the Braddock Av Branch of the Q 1 and streamline with the Q 43 route. (So both the New Q 1 and Q 43 buses terminate at Jamaica LIRR Station and Q 1 serves Queen Village and the Q 43 still remains to Floral Park) During Rush hours, make all Q 43 run limited stops, and all Q 1 will replace Q 43 local service. Q 21 and Q 41: Eliminate the Q 21. Extend the Q 41 to Arverne - B 108 St or all Q 53 buses make all stops in Broad Channel. Q55: Extend the Q 55 to 165 St terminal via Hillside Av. Here is some ideas for Jackson Heights/ LGA routes area Proposal#1: Combine the Q 32 with the Q 33/Q 47. The new Q 32 will serve the full LGA terminals (Central and Marine Air). The route will extend along the former Q 47 routing. To reduce delays some Q 32 will terminate at Queensboro Plaza or the former Jackson Heights Q 47 terminal. Q 29 will absorb the remaining portion of the Q 33 routing and terminate at Ditmars Blvd or LGA central terminal. Proposal #2: Combine the Q 32 and Q 33 routes with some buses terminating at Queensboro Plaza. Combine the Q 47 and Q 48 bus route, it would provide service from Flushing to Jackson Heights. Proposal#3: Combine the usage of buses for the Q 33 and Q 47 (I forgot the term but something similar to the S 55/56 setup I believe). |
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Re: It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Mar 11 18:58:16 2010, in response to Re: It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route, posted by B49 Limited on Wed Mar 10 10:33:15 2010. It should not be a branch but instead it should be streamline to replace the Q 7 portion to Cargo Area and terminal 4. The remaining portion of the route (to the Post office) should be replace by the Q7. This will be temporary for future service to Green Acres.That makes a lot more sense, but do Rockaway Boulevard passengers east of 150th Street really want the (A) train over the (E) train? Disagree Q40 routing should remain the same. There is already too much traffic in the area, and the route serves both major subway lines on Suphin Blvd. Rerouting the Q40 to the Merrick Boulevard and Archer Avenue area would improve the bus network in addition to giving riders direct service to the Jamaica business district. There's no need for it to serve the (F) train when it already serves the (E) train. What benefits would the Q 112 have if it serves the Jamiace LIRR station? Also its routing serves Jamaica Center already and terminates at the Parsons Blvd Station. So there is no need to change. Mostly regional connectivity (LIRR and Airtrain) in addition to better serving the Jamaica business district. No. Q 22/ 35 should be merged. Then extend the B 2 to Rockaway Pk. The new B 2 extension should operate rush hours only. I think that the B2 should be extended to Mill Basin with the B100 eliminated, but that's another discussion. My Q35 branch to the Kings Highway subway station can act as a limited stop variation of the aforementioned Mill Basin B2. Q111 Cederhurst rush hour service should be extended to Far Rockaway - Seagirt Blvd. The route should be extended along the old Q 113 LTD routing. The one time I rode the Q111 the driver said that I was the first one to ride past 148th Street during the months she's been doing the trip, if the extension really does get as little ridership as she suggested then maybe it's best to get rid of it. Q1 and Q 43:Either eliminate Q 1 and keep the Braddock Av Branch of the Q 1 and streamline with the Q 43 route. (So both the New Q 1 and Q 43 buses terminate at Jamaica LIRR Station and Q 1 serves Queen Village and the Q 43 still remains to Floral Park) During Rush hours, make all Q 43 run limited stops, and all Q 1 will replace Q 43 local service. The Q1 Queens Village branch is a necessary evil that would probably see a whole bunch of community opposition to it should it be eliminated. I do however think that the Q1 Braddock Avenue branch should be extended to Floral Park if the Q36 and Q110 ever get swapped. Q 21 and Q 41: Eliminate the Q 21. Extend the Q 41 to Arverne - B 108 St or all Q 53 buses make all stops in Broad Channel. Agreed, with the Q21 extension to Queens Center that pretty much kills any chance of that happening though. Here is some ideas for Jackson Heights/ LGA routes area I'd like to see a new Columbus Circle-Flushing Roosevelt Avenue route. I'd also like to see the Q33 extended to the Woodside LIRR station. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Mar 12 00:29:00 2010, in response to Re: It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route, posted by B49 Limited on Wed Mar 10 10:33:15 2010. As far as the Jackson Heights routes are concerned, I say combine the Q32 and Q33, as well as the Q45 and Q47. Reverse the direction of the Q53 loop in Woodside.The combined Q32/Q33 would be called the Q32, which would allow the Q33 label to be applied to a Midtown-LGA "Super Limited" service that would operate via Northern Boulevard. It would have the following stops: Northbound: 32nd Street & 7th Avenue 32nd Street & 6th Avenue 32nd Street & 5th Avenue Madison Avenue & 34th Street Madison Avenue & 42nd Street Madison Avenue & 50th Street Madison Avenue & 53rd Street Madison Avenue & 57th Street 59th Street & Lexington Avenue 59th Street & 3rd Avenue 28th Street & Queens Plaza South Northern Boulevard & Steinway Street Northern Boulevard & 48th Street Northern Boulevard & 54th Street Northern Boulevard & 74th Street 83rd Street & Northern Boulevard Astoria Boulevard & 83rd Street Then all stops to LaGuardia Airport Southbound: All stops to 82nd Street & Astoria Boulevard, then 82nd Street & Northern Boulevard Northern Boulevard & 74th Street Northern Boulevard & 53rd Place Northern Boulevard & 49th Street Northern Boulevard & Steinway Street Queens Plaza North & 27th Street 60th Street & Lexington Avenue 5th Avenue & 57th Street 5th Avenue & 53rd Street 5th Avenue & 49th Street 5th Avenue & 42nd Street 34th Street & 5th Avenue 34th Street & Broadway 32nd Street & 7th Avenue This would give Midtown a $2.25 option to get to LGA, and would give people heading to the airport less of a reason to schlep to Harlem. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Mar 12 00:58:37 2010, in response to Re: It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route, posted by B49 Limited on Wed Mar 10 10:33:15 2010. I agree about the B2, it's a short enough route that could be better used if it was extended.I'm not sure how many riders on the Q35 [which are packed] wants to go take the B/Q over the 2/5 though. But I don't think the Q35 needs to be split in Brooklyn. Let the B2 be extended into Queens and maybe 'borrow' a few buses from Far Rock to supplement it. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Mar 12 07:46:42 2010, in response to Re: It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route, posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Mar 12 00:58:37 2010. The (Q) is a much faster ride to Midtown than the (2). |
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Posted by B49 Limited on Fri Mar 12 23:33:45 2010, in response to Re: It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Mar 11 18:58:16 2010. I know the Q 60 is not a perfect candidate but I would love to also see either the Q 101 or another route extend to Columbus Circle. The Q 60 would be a good candidate for it and would provide customers access to all the subway lines. I am surprise it has never been attempted. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Mar 12 23:37:53 2010, in response to Re: It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route, posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Mar 12 07:46:42 2010. Maybe, but the Q doesn't go to Lower Manhattan. But then again it's not like I'm tracking down where Q35 riders are going though. |
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Posted by B49 Limited on Fri Mar 12 23:46:27 2010, in response to Re: It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route, posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Mar 12 23:37:53 2010. Here is the bottom line:There are SRO to/from Rockaway on both the B 2 and Q 35. Here is the problem... PM rush I was on the B 2 bus about 1/2 of the passengers on this bus were from the Q train and the other was school children from St. Edmonds Majority of the passengers on this bus were heading to Rockaway. Now in terms of the Q 35... 90% of the passengers were heading to the 2 train. This is something I have been observing. I do agree the Q or B train is way faster than the 2 or 5 trains. And if a passenger wants to go to lower manhattan (and don't mind standing) they can always transfer for the 2 or 5 at Atlantic Av or take the R at Dekalb and it will still be faster than taking the Nostrand Av line trains at Flatbush. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Mar 13 00:18:18 2010, in response to Re: It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route, posted by B49 Limited on Fri Mar 12 23:46:27 2010. True. Good points. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Mar 13 00:55:42 2010, in response to Re: It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route, posted by B49 Limited on Fri Mar 12 23:33:45 2010. There isn't much demand for Steinway Street bus service south of Broadway, and the Q60 can't be extended for reliability reasons. That's why I suggested that new Columbus Circle-Flushing Roosevelt Avenue route. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Mar 13 00:58:01 2010, in response to Re: It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route, posted by B49 Limited on Fri Mar 12 23:46:27 2010. Exactly, I'd even go as far as saying that a new Rockaway Park-Kings Highway subway station service would be far more popular than the current Q35. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Mar 13 01:14:55 2010, in response to Re: It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Mar 13 00:58:01 2010. I would think the main problem is that the bus would have to travel slightly longer via Fillmore and R/Quentin [along with a few twist and turns] to get to the Q compared to a 'strait shot' via Flatbush av to the 2/5.But that said, a B2 extension to B116th should be a reasonable solution. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Mar 13 01:32:04 2010, in response to Re: It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route, posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Mar 13 01:14:55 2010. My Q35 branch (I'm more in favor of a B2/B100 combination to Mill Basin than a B2 extension to Rockaway Park) would not operate via Fillmore Avenue and Avenue R. It would instead operate using the quickest route between Kings Plaza and the Kings Highway subway station which is Avenue U, Gerritsen Avenue, and Avenue R in addition to making Limited Stops like the current Q35. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Sun Mar 14 11:50:16 2010, in response to Re: It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route, posted by B49 Limited on Wed Mar 10 10:33:15 2010. If the Q36 and Q110 terminals were swapped, then the Q36 headways would be greatly reduced. It would only serve 211th-212th st by itself, then the short Hempstead Ave portion. Hillside is already served by the Q1, and Q43 |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Sun Mar 14 13:13:13 2010, in response to Re: It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route, posted by N6 Limited on Sun Mar 14 11:50:16 2010. I meant the headways would be increased |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Mar 14 16:39:50 2010, in response to Re: It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route, posted by N6 Limited on Sun Mar 14 11:50:16 2010. But at least riders east of Springfield Boulevard would have a choice between the (E) and (F) trains in addition to increased service. |
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Posted by Nyctransitman on Wed Mar 17 17:18:34 2010, in response to Re: It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Mar 13 00:58:01 2010. I would extend some Q22 buses from Beach 169th Street/Rockaway Point Blvd. Roxbury/Neponsit to Ceasars Bay Bazaar Shopping Center in Bensonhurst, Brooklyn via the Marine Parkwauy Bridge, the Belt Parkway,then current B4 routing between Knapp Street and 86th Street/Stillwell Avenue and then via 86th Street, Bay Parkway and Shore Parkway/ Cropsey Avenue and terminate near where the B6 route terminates at along Cropsey Avenue. These Q22 buses could operate limited stop in Queens between Beach 169th Street/ Neponsit and Far Rockaway but local in Brooklyn. The B4 would be revised and merged into the B3 route thus eliminating B3 service along 25th Avenue and B4 service along 86th Street, Neptune Avenue, Shell Road, Avenue Z, Ocean Pkwy., Neptune Avenue, and points east in Sheepshead Bay Brooklyn. |
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Re: It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route |
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Posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Wed Mar 17 18:48:13 2010, in response to Re: It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route, posted by B49 Limited on Fri Mar 12 23:46:27 2010. I here's some food for thought.Would it be feasible to combine the B2 and the Q22? |
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Posted by The TransitMan on Wed Mar 17 19:02:35 2010, in response to It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Mar 8 18:40:10 2010. "On another note I'm wondering if there's any demand for a route between the Far Rockaway subway station and Green Acres seeing that Green Acres is the closest major shopping mall to Far Rockaway."So you just basically ignored "Five Towns Shopping Mall" on Rockaway Tpke, which is served by the Q113. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Mar 17 19:05:54 2010, in response to Re: It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route, posted by The TransitMan on Wed Mar 17 19:02:35 2010. Five Towns is a strip mall. |
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Posted by The TransitMan on Wed Mar 17 19:22:23 2010, in response to Re: It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Mar 17 19:05:54 2010. Don't forget Bay Harbor Mall as well on Peninsula Blvd and Rockaway Tpke. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Mar 17 21:06:56 2010, in response to Re: It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route, posted by The TransitMan on Wed Mar 17 19:22:23 2010. Strip mall. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Thu Mar 18 06:40:31 2010, in response to Re: It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Mar 14 16:39:50 2010. They already do have a choice. The Q2 goes to the (F), the Q110 goes to the (E) and (F).Looking at the map I have an idea to save money. What if the Q110 and Q36 swap terminals, but then, they eliminate the Q36 and just replace it with the N6? The route remains closed door on Hillside Ave, the number of stops does not really increase. |
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Posted by B49 Limited on Thu Mar 18 20:04:24 2010, in response to Re: It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route, posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Wed Mar 17 18:48:13 2010. Yes.... I have mention this in a post regarding the Rockaways a while back. |
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Posted by B49 Limited on Thu Mar 18 20:16:01 2010, in response to Re: It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Mar 13 01:32:04 2010. I understand your Q 35 branch idea. However it should be a Q 22 extension to not confuse riders and also does not force Q 22 riders to pay for another fare to use the subway (The Q 35 should be a 3 - leg transfer). The only question I would have is what is cheaper to operate: a B 2/ Q 22 combo, or your Q 35 branch? |
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Posted by B1bus on Thu Mar 18 20:52:41 2010, in response to Re: It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route, posted by Nyctransitman on Wed Mar 17 17:18:34 2010. That is a bit of a stretch for this route. It would also end in my neighborhood, but who is going from the Rockaways to Bensonhurst? |
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Posted by Nyctransitman on Fri Mar 19 12:43:19 2010, in response to Re: It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route, posted by B1bus on Thu Mar 18 20:52:41 2010. It would first provide access for Rockaway passengers to access other subway lines in Brooklyn such as the Sheepshead Bay Station. The reason why I didn't suggest ending the Q22 route at the Sheepshead Bay Station is because I also thought of the many students that live in Queens that attend public and parocial high schools in Brooklyn. With the Q22 route traveling further west in Brooklyn these students would able to transfer to more Brooklyn routes. I also am recommending that not all of the Q22 buses travel into Brooklyn but that MTA Bus should have a limited stop Q22 route that would be extended into Brooklyn. The routing I suggest would provide relief if NYCT eliminates B4 bus service along the western end of the current B4 route. |
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