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Re: It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Mar 9 11:12:48 2010, in response to It's time for a Green Acres-Cypress Hill Rockaway Boulevard route, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Mar 8 18:40:10 2010.

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This idea would basically render the Q7 useless

I think that the whole south-eastern corner of Queens has a disaster of a bus network, and the entire thing needs to be redesigned. It's home to the majority of the most money-losing routes in the city, which points to one or both of poor network design and poor ridership.

Here are the routes in the area (I don't think I have missed any, except that I have left out the express buses deliberately, as they're another disaster entirely). I have listed them with their annual direct operating loss (no routes in this area made a profit) and by their farebox recovery ratio. I've bolded those routes that are either losing more than $1 million (ten routes: Q7, Q8, Q11, Q22, Q35, Q41, Q53, Q60, Q110, Q111/Q113) or that recover less than 50% of their costs (one route: Q89). I've italicized the best routes, namely those that are recovering over 90% of their costs (three routes: Q9, Q10, Q37).

B15, -$0.5m, 75% [NYCT]
Q2, -$0.2m, 68% [NYCT]
Q3, -$0.3m, 68% [NYCT]
Q4, -$0.3m, 71% [NYCT]
Q5, -$0.4m, 66% [NYCT]
Q6, -$0.9m, 83%
Q7, -$1.2m, 65%
Q8, -$1.3m, 74%
Q9, -$0.1m, 93%
Q10, -$0.3m, 96%
Q11, -$1.1m, 75%
Q21, -$0.8m, 62%
Q22, -$1.3m, 71%
Q24, -$0.3m, 71% [NYCT]
Q27, -$0.5m, 78% [NYCT]
Q35, -$1.5m, 54%
Q37, -$0.2m, 93%
Q40, -$0.4m, 83%
Q41, -$1.3m, 68%
Q53, -$2.8m, 65%
Q60, -$2.6m, 72%
Q77, -$0.2m, 76% [NYCT]
Q83, -$0.4m, 61% [NYCT]
Q84, -$0.3m, 52% [NYCT]
Q85, -$0.5m, 61% [NYCT]
Q89, -$0.1m, 21%
Q110, -$1.1m, 72%
Q111/Q113, -$4.9m, 68%
Q112, -$0.5m, 80%

So, yes, your route may well work as part of a redesigned network for south-eastern Queens. It certainly looks relatively sensible on its own. But that's really the problem with that area: it's a load of routes that would work well on their own, but that have built up into a nightmare, not a network. I would therefore be interested in seeing how you would redesign the entire south-eastern Queens network, rather than just tinkering around the edges.

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