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New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors. |
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Posted by rionOne on Sun Sep 6 22:30:29 2009 http://www.mta.info/nyct/procure/contracts/B-40641sol.pdf-Trevor |
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Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors. |
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Posted by Nabinut on Sun Sep 6 22:34:12 2009, in response to New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors., posted by rionOne on Sun Sep 6 22:30:29 2009. I may as well start it...is this New Flyer's second chance?? |
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Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 6 22:36:52 2009, in response to New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors., posted by rionOne on Sun Sep 6 22:30:29 2009. And an option for 475 more. |
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Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors. |
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Posted by mta_si on Sun Sep 6 22:37:43 2009, in response to New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors., posted by rionOne on Sun Sep 6 22:30:29 2009. I guess this means new buses for Jackie Gleason! The New Flyer's will be reaching their time limit in a few years. I'd be surprised if the don't buy the Orion VII CNG to save money on spare parts/ supplies. |
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Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 6 22:38:00 2009, in response to Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors., posted by Nabinut on Sun Sep 6 22:34:12 2009. Could just get Orion VII NG CNG, no? |
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Posted by mta_si on Sun Sep 6 22:39:48 2009, in response to Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors., posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 6 22:36:52 2009. Thats alot of buses even for College Point/Gleason/Spring Creek and Westfarm seeing as Westfarm and Gleason have alot of Orion VII's already |
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Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Sun Sep 6 22:43:59 2009, in response to Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors., posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 6 22:38:00 2009. It depends on the bids submitted. The MTA could end up getting C40LFRs or 40-LFW CNGs. |
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Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors. |
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Posted by rionOne on Sun Sep 6 22:49:35 2009, in response to Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors., posted by Ken S. on Sun Sep 6 22:43:59 2009. Even though I know it'll be more than likely a shoe in for Daimler Orions, I'd pass out if NABI snags the order, the 40LFW is a pretty solid and already proven bus!-Trevor |
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Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors. |
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Posted by R40SlantontheB on Sun Sep 6 22:51:36 2009, in response to New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors., posted by rionOne on Sun Sep 6 22:30:29 2009. I wonder if part of this goes to LIB. I thought MTA said they wouldn't be getting more CNG's except for LIB. |
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Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors. |
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Posted by mta_si on Sun Sep 6 22:52:55 2009, in response to Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors., posted by rionOne on Sun Sep 6 22:49:35 2009. Agreed. I love the way Bee-Line Buses are. The appear solid and quick. |
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Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Sep 6 22:58:02 2009, in response to Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors., posted by Nabinut on Sun Sep 6 22:34:12 2009. I doubt it..most likely the contract will go to 3 companiesDesignline.. Orion.. NOVA BUS... Personally,I'm looking for NOVA BUS to pick this one up..but in all likelyhood..Orion 7NG CNG will be rolling on our streets. |
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Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Sun Sep 6 22:59:32 2009, in response to Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors., posted by Edwards! on Sun Sep 6 22:58:02 2009. Nova AFAIK, doesn't offer a CNG version of the LFS. But, the MTA could jump on the NABI bandwagon that's been growing in the NYC area. |
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Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Sep 6 23:01:13 2009, in response to Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors., posted by Nabinut on Sun Sep 6 22:34:12 2009. I doubt it..most likely 3 companies will bid on the contract...plus a surprise..Designline.. Orion.. NOVA BUS... NABI...since its now making some sort of inroads here in the NY area. Personally,I'm looking for NOVA BUS to pick this one up..but in all likelyhood..Orion 7NG CNG will be rolling on our streets. |
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Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 6 23:01:21 2009, in response to Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors., posted by Edwards! on Sun Sep 6 22:58:02 2009. How will it go to 3 companies? |
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Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors. |
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Posted by GOLD_12th on Sun Sep 6 23:05:12 2009, in response to Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors., posted by Ken S. on Sun Sep 6 22:59:32 2009. Not unless MTA begs Nova to put a CNG on the LFS bus. |
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Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Sep 6 23:05:22 2009, in response to Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors., posted by Ken S. on Sun Sep 6 22:59:32 2009. Companies RETOOL if they have to in order to win a contract..any ANY CONTRACT issued by the MTA is worth the doe...with the potential to generate more... |
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Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors. |
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Posted by GOLD_12th on Sun Sep 6 23:09:18 2009, in response to New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors., posted by rionOne on Sun Sep 6 22:30:29 2009. Most likely, Orion VII NG CNG fuel in the future for JG. |
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Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors. |
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Posted by rionOne on Sun Sep 6 23:17:05 2009, in response to Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors., posted by Edwards! on Sun Sep 6 22:58:02 2009. Can't go to NovaBUS, they do not have a CNG Variant of the LFS. Designline, just hang that one up. Its either Orion or New Flyer if you read the RFP, it calls for a bus already approved by the MTA. We have two CNGs on the property still being built today, and that is the Orion 07.501 and the C40LF.-Trevor |
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Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors. |
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Posted by rionOne on Sun Sep 6 23:19:35 2009, in response to Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors., posted by Edwards! on Sun Sep 6 23:05:22 2009. Yeah except alot of companies are weary of the MTA. Prime exmpale, Van Hool wants nothing to do with the MTA after the Demoing of the Double Decker and the NYMTA does have a bit of a reputation...-Trevor |
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Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Sep 6 23:21:57 2009, in response to New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors., posted by rionOne on Sun Sep 6 22:30:29 2009. Oh gosh, I don't want any shitty New Generation Orion VII CNG to appear on the B67, especially if it were to have the seats that are on the Long Island Bus Orion VII CNG. |
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Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors. |
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Posted by GOLD_12th on Sun Sep 6 23:43:59 2009, in response to Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors., posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Sep 6 23:21:57 2009. That was LIB customization fit all accommodate seats so the people can suffer more of crappy service.This contract bid will not used LIB customization seats. Its NYCT, dont worry about it unless NYCT could upgrade the seats to leather seats.... |
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Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Sep 6 23:56:01 2009, in response to New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors., posted by rionOne on Sun Sep 6 22:30:29 2009. I wonder if this order will be for all three operations (NYC Bus, LI Bus, and MTA Bus); by 2011, about 575 CNG buses (220 NYCT-spec, 299 NYCDOT-spec, and 55 LIB-spec) will be 12 years old. |
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Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 6 23:56:43 2009, in response to Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors., posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Sep 6 23:56:01 2009. I knew you'd wonder that. |
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Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Sep 6 23:56:47 2009, in response to New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors., posted by rionOne on Sun Sep 6 22:30:29 2009. This would seem to limit the bidding to two manufacturers: Orion or New Flyer. |
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Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Sep 6 23:57:36 2009, in response to Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors., posted by mta_si on Sun Sep 6 22:37:43 2009. It could also be New Flyer that wins the bid as well. But I suspect that Long Island Bus may get buses from this order (in addition to NYC Transit and MTA Bus). |
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Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 6 23:59:00 2009, in response to Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors., posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Sep 6 23:56:47 2009. Hello, that was already posted...Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors. (163393) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Sep 6 23:59:10 2009, in response to Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors., posted by mta_si on Sun Sep 6 22:39:48 2009. Also, add Mitchel Field and Rockville Centre. |
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Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Sep 7 00:00:34 2009, in response to Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors., posted by R40SlantontheB on Sun Sep 6 22:51:36 2009. I would be shocked if part of the order goes to LIB.However, CNG prices have crashed through the cellar. It would not surprise me if Grand Avenue got CNGs (they currently only have diesels, but have CNG fueling capability---although they are in line for Designline buses). |
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Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Sep 7 00:02:48 2009, in response to Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors., posted by Edwards! on Sun Sep 6 22:58:02 2009. Nope---only the C40LF(R) and the O7 NG CNG are eligible according to the RFP. |
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Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors. |
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Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Mon Sep 7 00:09:04 2009, in response to Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors., posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Sep 6 23:56:01 2009. I agree, I think it will be for all three. IMO, JG would get 30, SC would 45, West farms would get 40 IDK how many LIB would get, just my speculation. |
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Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors. |
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Posted by GOLD_12th on Mon Sep 7 00:09:44 2009, in response to Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors., posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Sep 6 23:57:36 2009. MTA still has issues with New Flyer and now New Flyer has its issues now.Orion is going to win.... |
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Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Sep 7 00:11:46 2009, in response to Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors., posted by GOLD_12th on Mon Sep 7 00:09:44 2009. At least this isn't a sole-source procurement as the O7 NG hybrid order was. |
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135 CNG buses: 90 - NYCT; 45 - MTA Bus... option: 195 - NYCT & 180 - MTA Bus... NO LIB |
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Posted by GOLD_12th on Mon Sep 7 00:35:00 2009, in response to New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors., posted by rionOne on Sun Sep 6 22:30:29 2009. B40641PURCHASE 135 COMPRESSED NATURAL GAS BUSES (NYCT) OVER $50M This project is to purchase 135 40-foot low floor buses powered by compressed natural gas (CNG) - 90 for NYC Transit Department of Buses and 45 for the MTA Bus Company - with an option to purchase up to 375 additional buses - 195 for NYC Transit Department of Buses and 180 for the MTA Bus Company. Bus specifications include, but not limited to the following: electronic destination signs, hard insert passenger seating, two doors, air brakes, custom supplied tires (six), basic white paint with NYCT decaling, and multiplex electrical system. Duration of Contract 10 Months Source: http://www.mta.info/mta/capital/eotf-descrip.htm#nyct |
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Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors. |
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Posted by GOLD_12th on Mon Sep 7 00:35:54 2009, in response to Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors., posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Sep 6 23:56:01 2009. No; Long Island Bus is not in this order. |
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Posted by GOLD_12th on Mon Sep 7 00:36:51 2009, in response to Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors., posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Sep 6 23:59:10 2009. No, Long Island Bus is not included in this order. |
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Posted by GOLD_12th on Mon Sep 7 00:39:32 2009, in response to Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors., posted by R40SlantontheB on Sun Sep 6 22:51:36 2009. No this order will only be NYCT and MTA Bus only. |
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Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors. |
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Posted by R40SlantontheB on Mon Sep 7 00:49:13 2009, in response to Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors., posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Sep 7 00:00:34 2009. So these would probably replace some of the 05 CNG's at CP and JG? |
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Re: 135 CNG buses: 90 - NYCT; 45 - MTA Bus... option: 195 - NYCT & 180 - MTA Bus... NO LIB |
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Posted by R40SlantontheB on Mon Sep 7 00:51:07 2009, in response to 135 CNG buses: 90 - NYCT; 45 - MTA Bus... option: 195 - NYCT & 180 - MTA Bus... NO LIB, posted by GOLD_12th on Mon Sep 7 00:35:00 2009. So this means the end of the road quite a few of the 05 CNG's I guess. I'll miss them, the ones at MTA Bus ran pretty good compared to the ones at LIB. Maybe LIB will get those 05's. |
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Re: 135 CNG buses: 90 - NYCT; 45 - MTA Bus... option: 195 - NYCT & 180 - MTA Bus... NO LIB |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Sep 7 00:57:39 2009, in response to 135 CNG buses: 90 - NYCT; 45 - MTA Bus... option: 195 - NYCT & 180 - MTA Bus... NO LIB, posted by GOLD_12th on Mon Sep 7 00:35:00 2009. However, 100 buses are unaccounted for in that order. It gives 375 buses in an option order...but what about the last 100? |
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Re: 135 CNG buses: 90 - NYCT; 45 - MTA Bus... option: 195 - NYCT & 180 - MTA Bus... NO LIB |
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Posted by rionOne on Mon Sep 7 01:03:50 2009, in response to 135 CNG buses: 90 - NYCT; 45 - MTA Bus... option: 195 - NYCT & 180 - MTA Bus... NO LIB, posted by GOLD_12th on Mon Sep 7 00:35:00 2009. Ok (and this is just speculation based on facts)...The 90 PRIMARY units for NYCT could take out: 34 1994-95 OBI Orion 05.501 CNGs (#317, 581-610) 57 1998-99 New Flyer C40LF CNG Low Floors (#800-856) The 45 PRIMARY units for MTA Bus could take out: 45 1998 OBI Orion 05.501 CNGs (#708-750, Being the oldest of this set) Going off the 12 Year Tank Rule the following MTA Bus/NYC Bus CNGs will need to be decommissioned by the end of 2010.... #317, 517-610, 708-750, 800-801, 7214-7273, 8568-8581 and 9932-9999. For 2011, the remaining ex-NYC DOT Orion V/CNGs as well as 802-856. In 2012, the remaining C40LFs (857-989) will be up for decomission. The Option buses could easily cover this. On the Long Island Bus side of things, the remaining 1400s up to 1507, by right, needed to be decommissioned by the end of THIS year, while 1508-1525 would need to be out by the end of next year and 1526-1632 out by the end of 2012. We'll see what happens on the LIB Side... -Trevor |
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Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors. |
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Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Mon Sep 7 01:06:52 2009, in response to New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors., posted by rionOne on Sun Sep 6 22:30:29 2009. My bet: MTA will order Orion VII NG CNGs. The only depots that could receive CNGs are JG WF CP SC MF and RC. I think LIB will be left out of this order...for now. This order with the option order would replace ALL of the Orion V CNGs at JG SC and CP as well as the 1st generation C40LFs. For MTAB, the majority of the order would go to CP...NYCT-JG. |
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Re: 135 CNG buses: 90 - NYCT; 45 - MTA Bus... option: 195 - NYCT & 180 - MTA Bus... NO LIB |
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Posted by GOLD_12th on Mon Sep 7 01:09:50 2009, in response to Re: 135 CNG buses: 90 - NYCT; 45 - MTA Bus... option: 195 - NYCT & 180 - MTA Bus... NO LIB, posted by R40SlantontheB on Mon Sep 7 00:51:07 2009. It is likely JG's Orion V CNG 1994: #317; 1995 #581-610 (31 buses) going to get scrapped first. Im not sure after that....The option order would getting rid of 1999-2000 New Flyer C40LF, 1998-1999 Orion V CNG. |
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Re: 135 CNG buses: 90 - NYCT; 45 - MTA Bus... option: 195 - NYCT & 180 - MTA Bus... NO LIB |
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Posted by QM18Express on Mon Sep 7 01:16:29 2009, in response to Re: 135 CNG buses: 90 - NYCT; 45 - MTA Bus... option: 195 - NYCT & 180 - MTA Bus... NO LIB, posted by rionOne on Mon Sep 7 01:03:50 2009. If I recall, some of the 700's got some engine work done to them. Don't engine work can expand the life of a CNG bus? |
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Re: 135 CNG buses: 90 - NYCT; 45 - MTA Bus... option: 195 - NYCT & 180 - MTA Bus... NO LIB |
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Posted by R160 8818 on Mon Sep 7 01:18:10 2009, in response to Re: 135 CNG buses: 90 - NYCT; 45 - MTA Bus... option: 195 - NYCT & 180 - MTA Bus... NO LIB, posted by QM18Express on Mon Sep 7 01:16:29 2009. IINM the tanks can only be used for 12 years. If you wanted to increase the life expentancy of the bus you would have to work on the tank. Someone please correct me if I am wrong. |
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Re: 135 CNG buses: 90 - NYCT; 45 - MTA Bus... option: 195 - NYCT & 180 - MTA Bus... NO LIB |
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Posted by rionOne on Mon Sep 7 01:38:38 2009, in response to Re: 135 CNG buses: 90 - NYCT; 45 - MTA Bus... option: 195 - NYCT & 180 - MTA Bus... NO LIB, posted by R160 8818 on Mon Sep 7 01:18:10 2009. You are correct, the Tanks are certified for 12 years. You either replace the tanks or replace the bus.This is the ONLY reason why 317 and 581-610 survied as long as they have because with the MTA repowered them, the tanks got replaced and recertified for another 12 years. They lasted, what, 7 or 8 out of that 12.. thats not too bad. -Trevor |
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Re: 135 CNG buses: 90 - NYCT; 45 - MTA Bus... option: 195 - NYCT & 180 - MTA Bus... NO LIB |
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Posted by QM18Express on Mon Sep 7 01:51:15 2009, in response to Re: 135 CNG buses: 90 - NYCT; 45 - MTA Bus... option: 195 - NYCT & 180 - MTA Bus... NO LIB, posted by rionOne on Mon Sep 7 01:38:38 2009. I forgot about the tanks! Darn it!Then again I know the 700's did get worked on quite a bit! IDK if the tanks got replaced since they do look pretty fresh unless that is just fresh paint on the tanks! |
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Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors. |
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Posted by lbt 9415 on Mon Sep 7 02:33:18 2009, in response to Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors., posted by mta_si on Sun Sep 6 22:52:55 2009. i hope they get NABIs too. |
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Re: 135 CNG buses: 90 - NYCT; 45 - MTA Bus... option: 195 - NYCT & 180 - MTA Bus... NO LIB |
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Posted by lbt 9415 on Mon Sep 7 02:40:03 2009, in response to Re: 135 CNG buses: 90 - NYCT; 45 - MTA Bus... option: 195 - NYCT & 180 - MTA Bus... NO LIB, posted by R160 8818 on Mon Sep 7 01:18:10 2009. The tanks on our C40LFRs are certified for 20 years. |
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Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors. |
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Posted by lbt 9415 on Mon Sep 7 02:42:40 2009, in response to Re: New York MTA to purchase 135 CNG Low Floors., posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Sep 6 23:57:36 2009. When it comes to the pricetag, NABI is usually the cheapest...and they can usually spec buses out the way the customer wants them. |
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Re: 135 CNG buses: 90 - NYCT; 45 - MTA Bus... option: 195 - NYCT & 180 - MTA Bus... NO LIB |
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Posted by GOLD_12th on Mon Sep 7 02:44:44 2009, in response to Re: 135 CNG buses: 90 - NYCT; 45 - MTA Bus... option: 195 - NYCT & 180 - MTA Bus... NO LIB, posted by rionOne on Mon Sep 7 01:03:50 2009. Isn't the tanks that built in 90's are certified for 15 years, not 12 years? |
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