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Photos : OCTA 5130 2008 NFI C40LFR

Posted by lbt 9415 on Sat Oct 18 02:01:15 2008

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These are the replacements for the D40HFs

Not much difference than the other C40LFRs

Nice looking bus, nice reclining seats with lombard supported reclining seats.

As far as seating configuration, the C40LFR suburbans have 34 seats verses 42 seats on the D40HFs. With the fewer seats on the new coaches, some passengers worried about being passed up due to no room ( These passengers will NOT stand for 30 miles on this route ). The 701 has 3 AM and 3 PM trips. They particularly wanted something with more room, like Over-the-road coaches ( i.e. MCIs ) with tray tables and wifi ammenities as well. All i could tell them is to voice their concern to the the customer service department.


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That box about the HVAC unit is actually the engine cooler. I recieved confirmation about this from Reps at NFI and one of the maintenance supervisors. My apologies. I think several months back i mentioned it was part of the HVAC.

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Re: Photos : OCTA 5130 2008 NFI C40LFR

Posted by lbt 9415 on Sat Oct 18 02:03:14 2008, in response to Photos : OCTA 5130 2008 NFI C40LFR, posted by lbt 9415 on Sat Oct 18 02:01:15 2008.

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......engine cooler

correction, i meant to say OIL COOLER.

good nightand enjoy

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Re: Photos : OCTA 5130 2008 NFI C40LFR

Posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Oct 18 02:59:06 2008, in response to Photos : OCTA 5130 2008 NFI C40LFR, posted by lbt 9415 on Sat Oct 18 02:01:15 2008.

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Interesting, the front windshield seems to have had its corners rounded off. That's the only difference I can spot.

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Re: Photos : OCTA 5130 2008 NFI C40LFR

Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Sat Oct 18 10:31:31 2008, in response to Photos : OCTA 5130 2008 NFI C40LFR, posted by lbt 9415 on Sat Oct 18 02:01:15 2008.

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Nice pics! I wish the MTA would get something other than MCIs for their Express Routes.

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Re: Photos : OCTA 5130 2008 NFI C40LFR

Posted by Easy on Sat Oct 18 10:44:16 2008, in response to Re: Photos : OCTA 5130 2008 NFI C40LFR, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Sat Oct 18 10:31:31 2008.

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And the OCTA riders are saying the exact opposite...

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Re: Photos : OCTA 5130 2008 NFI C40LFR

Posted by octa1busfan on Sat Oct 18 11:33:44 2008, in response to Re: Photos : OCTA 5130 2008 NFI C40LFR, posted by lbt 9415 on Sat Oct 18 02:03:14 2008.

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I think the high flyers are better than these C40LFRs. Actually, octa should just get MCIs like AVTA ( Antelope Valley Transit Authority )

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Re: Photos : OCTA 5130 2008 NFI C40LFR

Posted by O2- Glastonbury on Sat Oct 18 12:03:07 2008, in response to Re: Photos : OCTA 5130 2008 NFI C40LFR, posted by octa1busfan on Sat Oct 18 11:33:44 2008.

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So what's up with the No diesel in Southern California? Why does San Diego and AVTA have diesel OTRs.

Daniel M

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Re: Photos : OCTA 5130 2008 NFI C40LFR

Posted by kcram3500 on Sat Oct 18 13:48:27 2008, in response to Photos : OCTA 5130 2008 NFI C40LFR, posted by lbt 9415 on Sat Oct 18 02:01:15 2008.

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As far as seating configuration, the C40LFR suburbans have 34 seats verses 42 seats on the D40HFs. With the fewer seats on the new coaches, some passengers worried about being passed up due to no room ( These passengers will NOT stand for 30 miles on this route ). The 701 has 3 AM and 3 PM trips. They particularly wanted something with more room, like Over-the-road coaches ( i.e. MCIs ) with tray tables and wifi ammenities as well. All i could tell them is to voice their concern to the the customer service department.

And this is where the industry has backfired big time.

Here's what has happened in NJ (Public Service/Transport of New Jersey/New Jersey Transit) to their transit bus seating over the last 50 years:

- 1957-1958 GMC TDH-5108 - 51 seats
- 1960-1970 GMC TDH-5302/TDH-5304/T6H-5306 - 51 seats
- 1976 Flx 53102-8 - 50 seats
- 1981 Flx 870, 1983/1989 Flx Metro - 47 seats
- 1994 Flx Metro, 1995/1999-2000 Nova RTS - 43 seats
- 2009-2013 NABI 416 - 42 seats

For all the so-called progress of design, NJ has lost 9 seats from the same 40-foot standard-floor bus.

Over the period 1957-1976, the 40-foot suburbans (GM Old Looks and New Looks, Flx New Looks) all had 49 seats. The only way NJT was able to maintain that after ADB production began was with MCIs. The 1989 (46 seats, two-door) and 1994 (45 seats, single-door) Flx Metro "suburbans" could not duplicate the all-forward seating or the recliners, and have essentially settled into use as "upgraded transits".

Add in the additional reduced seating of low-floors, and you can see why the OCTA passengers are concerned. Here's a 40-foot suburban-configured bus with just 34 seats - a 19% loss in seating from the buses they replaced. (If the 701 was 5 round trips a day instead of 3, OCTA would have lost a full bus' worth of capacity!) NJT refitted some of those 1976 Flx New Look suburbans with lifts and tie-down areas - they lost just 4 seats in the conversion (to 45). That means a 35-foot New Look suburban, with the same wheelchair-lift conversion, would have had 37 seats - 3 more than the 5-foot longer C40LFR.

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Re: Photos : OCTA 5130 2008 NFI C40LFR

Posted by GOLD_12th on Sat Oct 18 21:32:20 2008, in response to Photos : OCTA 5130 2008 NFI C40LFR, posted by lbt 9415 on Sat Oct 18 02:01:15 2008.

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As far as seating configuration, the C40LFR suburbans have 34 seats verses 42 seats on the D40HFs. With the fewer seats on the new coaches, some passengers worried about being passed up due to no room ( These passengers will NOT stand for 30 miles on this route ).

They should not have order the rear door and that will add a measly approx 2 seats to 36 seats total.... But, Better buy a OTR coach bus for more room.

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Re: Photos : OCTA 5130 2008 NFI C40LFR

Posted by TMC RTS 06 on Mon Oct 20 00:51:15 2008, in response to Re: Photos : OCTA 5130 2008 NFI C40LFR, posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Oct 18 02:59:06 2008.

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Hah! Yeah, I caught that too.

Nice enough looking bus, but I wonder why OCTA didn't just spring for some D4000s.

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Re: Photos : OCTA 5130 2008 NFI C40LFR

Posted by The Port of Authority on Mon Oct 20 01:10:40 2008, in response to Re: Photos : OCTA 5130 2008 NFI C40LFR, posted by TMC RTS 06 on Mon Oct 20 00:51:15 2008.

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Parts standardization is my guess. Either that or they want to have a 100% CNG fleet.

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Re: Photos : OCTA 5130 2008 NFI C40LFR

Posted by kcram3500 on Tue Oct 21 18:14:20 2008, in response to Re: Photos : OCTA 5130 2008 NFI C40LFR, posted by The Port of Authority on Mon Oct 20 01:10:40 2008.

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NJT has 76 CNG-powered MCIs that are currently 7-10 years old, and they had the first MCI hybrids 4 years ago. The fuel system should not be an excuse to buy low-floors with suburban interiors over coaches.

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Re: Photos : OCTA 5130 2008 NFI C40LFR

Posted by lbt 9415 on Tue Oct 21 18:41:32 2008, in response to Re: Photos : OCTA 5130 2008 NFI C40LFR, posted by TMC RTS 06 on Mon Oct 20 00:51:15 2008.

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I asked myself a few days ago. I think part of it has something to do with their relationship with NFI. I also think they were so in a hurry to purchase D40HF replacements,they didnt either consider the impact on seats lost and whatnot. One thing for sure, they wanted CNG fuel AND they want low floor. I agree with the fact they shouldve gotten MCIs or some other type of OTR coach.

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Re: Photos : OCTA 5130 2008 NFI C40LFR

Posted by The Port of Authority on Tue Oct 21 20:25:17 2008, in response to Re: Photos : OCTA 5130 2008 NFI C40LFR, posted by kcram3500 on Tue Oct 21 18:14:20 2008.

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NJT's MCIs are an exception rather than a rule. We don't know if MCI would choose to restart production of CNG coaches.

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