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Re: Question on Fifth / Madison 2 and 2A Routes, 1966-1969 |
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Posted by W.B. on Fri Jun 23 19:31:17 2017, in response to Re: Question on Fifth / Madison 2 and 2A Routes, 1966-1969, posted by andy on Fri Jun 23 17:14:03 2017. I figured Mr. Fowle wouldn't have known what he was writing about. (The Transit Museum in Brooklyn has illuminated maps of five boroughs that were in place in key TA and MaBSTOA offices as of 1968, and those two #2's and their start and end points no doubt would be there; it was awhile since I was last to the TM, and I'll have to look there to finally clear up this muddling-up once and for all - and also to see which depots handled what routes. Especially to set Wikipedia straight; they still insist that it was a "coupling," though there were a total of five Fifth and Madison routes [two ex-NYCO, three ex-FACCo] before the one-way conversions, and five after, and even with the ending sentence in the section marked "Extensions and Combinations.")Now, why would "Farnie" Fowle (who passed away last December at age 100), when he "reported" on the service changes, especially on the NYCO and FACCo 2's, have presumed the two routes had been "combined" into one "hybrid" route with two "branches" (NYCO 2's Lenox and FACCo 2/2A's Seventh Avenue) - and thinking (or at least implying by his descriptions) that NYCO's 2, southbound up to its turn to Fifth, ran a parallel route to FACCo's 2/2A through Edgecombe, 155th and Seventh, then turning east on 146th, south on Lenox and east on 116th to Fifth; and northbound turning west on 116th at Madison, then on to Lenox, 147th, Seventh, 155th, Edgecombe and 167th? What exactly was Mr. Fowle smoking when he came up with that route concoction? (I know, it's a rhetorical question.) That even he was confused by this may have explained that summer 1966 alpha suffix designation of FACCo's 2 as 2A, as much as everything else you'd mentioned. The irony about the 1969 rerouting of NYCO's 2 below 116th at Lenox to Third and Lexington as 101A, was that upon the discontinuance of NYCO's 4 (and the Lexington-only 3) in 1960, Fifth Avenue Coach Lines' Omnibus Division had extended their 1 and 2 routes to Lenox and 147th, with the 1 transitioning via 135th Street and the 2 via 116th. Thus the 1969 change came full circle. (Some eBay sellers have cut-up segments of 'batwings' side signs, one saying '2 - 5th & Madison via Lenox', the other reading '2A - 5th & Madison via Seventh Ave.' These would no doubt have been printed between the latter part of 1966 and early 1967. But I've not seen any pics of 101A in action with batwing side signs reading, '101A - 3rd-Lex-Lenox Aves.' - did any such roll signs, which would have been printed after 1969, even exist?) |
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