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Posted by R30A on Wed Feb 24 12:23:00 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Feb 24 12:07:31 2016. "I didn't say the average trip on Woodhaven is 2.3 miles. I said that was a City average. I conceded that on Woodhaven it is probably higher, but not by much if you don't consider the two bridges without any stops the bus must cross that is unaffected by SBS."Exactly- Woodhaven IS higher. Which is my point. The assumption you base it on is wholly irrelevant. ""NONE OF THAT IS NEEDED TO MAINTAIN ORDINARY LANES" Yes, that is exactly what I started. You stated the opposite that bus lanes do not require more maintenance than ordinary lanes which I successfully disputed by stating ordinary lanes do not need to have missing or faded bus signs replaced or rust colored pavement replaced. YOU CANNOT BE ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT ARGUMENT. So which is it? Do bus lanes require extra maintenance or don't they?" I am not on both sides. Nothing is required for a bus lane that is not required for other lanes. ""So you say the maintenance to keep up the bus lanes is minimal? What do you call "minimal". I know who won't venture a guess because you don't know. WELL IF YOU DON'T KNOW, you can't very well claim it will be minimal. THEREFORE YOUR CLAIM IS THOROUGHLY UNSUBSTANTIATED."" The incremental cost is near zero as bus lanes require what other lanes require. "Twenty routes. Let's say each route has 15 stops. With at least four machines per stop, that is 60 machines. 60 times 20 is 1,200. That is already over a thousand machines. That means additional employees will have to be hired at the Central Electronics Shop where I worked for nine years to service those machines. Plus this machines will need new parts. Parts and labor do not come cheap. Not to mention the vehicles and fuel needed to travel to and from the machines. Then you have the pension costs when those employees retire. THAT IS COMPLETELY SUBSTANTIATED." Much cost is overhead. Things can often be scaled up without adding incremental costs. "How is there reduced maintenance costs or reduced fuel costs to the buses?" less stop and go= better fuel efficiency. "They will still travel the same amount of miles by making more trips." Huh? "Does the fine revenue even go to the MTA? IS THAT SUBSTANTIATED?" Doesn't matter. Goes to city regardless. That IS substantiated. "Yes there is some reduced labor costs from reduced run times because buses are making fewer stops causing passengers to walk further taking away from their time savings." For some other runs perhaps. Not really true for Woodhaven considering that they really aren't cutting many stops. The time vs convenience with regards to stops is an issue for any bus route. The MTA seems to be looking closely here and on other SBS (And limited) routes and adjusts as needed. "THE MTA WOULD HAVE TO PROVE THAT THE ENTIRE PACKAGE IS A POSITIVE. They have not been able to do that yet. SO THE NET BENEFITS OF SBS ARE UNSUBSTANTIATED." You claim that. Nearly everybody else sees a bunch of successful improvements which have turned around the routes they are on. I consider SBS routes for runs I NEVER would have taken a bus for before. |
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