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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by R30A on Tue Feb 2 22:11:34 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 2 21:46:10 2016.

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"If a maniac is going to speed at 50 or 60 mph on a city street, they are going to do that and kill people regardless if the speed limit is 25, 30, or 35 mph.

The other most common way pedestrians are injured is when cars are turning and either the motorist, the pedestrian, or both are not paying adequate attention. Again, no relation to the speed limit.

What lowering the limits to unrealistic levels accomplishes are longer trip times for cars and trucks, costing time and money and driving up prices. It also has the additional effect of greatly adding to the city's revenue which is the real reason. Increased safety for pedestrians is just a smokescreen. If the city really cared about increased safety, crosswalks and lane markings would not be allowed to totally deteriorate and in some cases remain that way for years. My street was resurfaced a year ago and DOT still has not painted a yellow line in the center of the street to separate the directional traffic. "

What lowering the limits does is that it allows the police to fine somebody before they kill somebody. A crash at 35 MPH is still reasonably likely to cause mortality. A crash at 25 MPH is not likely to result in death.

Somebody traveling the speed limit won't kill someone they hit if the speed limit is 25. Somebody traveling the speed limit is reasonably likely to kill someone should that speed limit be 35 or 40.

The police can pull over somebody going 40 down a city street before they kill somebody if the speed limit is 25. They cannot do that if the speed limit is 40.

Woodhaven is one of the most dangerous streets in the city for pedestrians. Regardless of SBS, the city needs to change that. (And not by making other streets more dangerous for pedestrians as you clearly desire.)

With regards to revenue- GOOD! Cars take up FAR too much of this city's resources, while serving relatively little of the population. I would prefer that funding come from user fees, but fining dangerous drivers is
certainly something the city should do.

"State DOT also would not have installed dangerous and misleading signs on the Gowanus that could not be read after dark if safety was a priority. Now that the permanent signs are in place, there still is a problem because they didn't allow you any time after the sign to switch lanes. You have to be in the proper lane by the time you reach the sign, so you only have a few feet to get in the proper lane at 50 mph which is highly dangerous. Those so called traffic engineers are throughly incompetent. "

So because the STATE DOT (Probably a contractor and not NYSDOT itself for that matter) did something you judge to be unsafe, the CITY DOT should ignore making essential safety improvements elsewhere???

Because my neighbor didn't get his fire extinguisher inspected this year, I'll just let my house burn down, despite having a hose at my ready!

Although that assumes the signs aren't visible. If you can't find the elevators at 34th street Hudson Yards, I don't think your sign comprehension capabilities are a useful frame of reference.

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