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Re: Push to Replace Port Authority Bus Terminal

Posted by JAzumah on Sun Mar 22 12:40:47 2015, in response to Re: Push to Replace Port Authority Bus Terminal, posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 22 11:10:52 2015.

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NJT is not pursuing funding for anything because they answer to Christie, and he has no interest in doing anything for public transit.

You are half right. The Feds have said (in code) that they are not going to fund any rail tunnel where NJT is the lead. By making it a regional project, they are not going to have to worry about a state (Christie) cancelling the project. They are going to require that Amtrak be the lead and both the MTA and NJT would have to participate. NJT is a lot more involved in Gateway than they are leading on.


Why are you assuming NJT would not subsidize or contribute equipment to such an interstate arrangement ? Nobody expects MTA to eat it. NJT would save a lot on buses expenses, both capital and operations. We already have such pooling arrangements with NJT service to Port Jervis and MN NH Line service east of Port Chester, NY.

You aren't listening to us. NJT generates an OPERATING SURPLUS from their NYC bus operations. They use the ENTIRE SURPLUS to fund local bus operations in NJ. The reduction in NYC interstate bus service would lead to a major reduction in local NJ bus service. It is not in NJT's interest to subsidize such a project. The operating surplus to NYC is estimated at $100M.


If 25% of bus passengers take it, that is still 60,000 people . Then there's the rail side where some East Side commuters could avoid Penn Station AND a 2-train IRT shuffle via Times Square. THAT is a 3-seat ride, which you despise, but are fine with. They would all be getting on an empty train starting off every 2 or 4 minutes, depending on the service plan, not cramming themselves on crowded north-south subways at Penn Station. But with #7 to SEC, it becomes a 2 seat ride for anyone off the NEC, NJCL, and MDT headed to the GCT area. So a lot more than just 60,000 people. That is not a failure just because it is not 51% of bus passengers.

The Second Avenue Subway Phase 2 would carry more people than this and it is still not fully funded. The fact remains that you think trains are better than buses and you are willing to bust up the bus system to prove your point.


So don't be content with just 2 more tunnels.

Can I borrow a few billion from you?


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