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Posted by Nilet on Wed Feb 20 20:45:31 2008  Yet again, the police just can't seem to get enough of Anyway, the bare facts are these: I got off a Metro-North train at Grand Central and noticed a great photo op on the next track over, so I took out the cammy and began taking pictures. Some Metro-North workers came up and said photography was illegal. I told them otherwise; they asked for "my papers." Heh. I told them I didn't need a permit— photography was legal. Period. They said it wasn't. I asked them to ask their boss. They summoned the cops— and the military. One officer and two soldiers came down; other officers came later and I don't recall offhand exactly how many ultimately walked past in total. I'm pretty sure there was a third soldier at some point too. Anyway, one of the first things the officer did was demand that I shut off the camcorder— after the last incident, I always record the entirety of every encounter. When I asked what would happen if I refused to shut it off, he grabbed it and ripped the battery out. Ultimately, I was detained for quite a long time, and was eventually given a summons for "tresspassing." (You need a ticket to be on the platform, unless you'd just gotten off a train; I'd just gotten off a train; they demanded to see my ticket; I told them the conductor had taken it, of course, but I had the receipt, which I showed them; they didn't care to notice it.) I got names and badge numbers from two officers— the "ringleader" who was there first and one other. I tried to get a name and serial number from one of the soldiers, but I couldn't. When I checked the camcorder some time after they'd left, I noticed that the memory card was missing, along with all the photos that were on it. Luckily, the video from the incident is unharmed; I have it safe at home on my camcorder's HDD. I'm guessing he wanted to cover up the wrongdoing on his part and didn't know that he hadn't taken the right media from the camcorder. Since physical property was taken, as well as various damage inflicted and frivolous charges filed, I won't leave this with the CCRB and I will be suing. I've already written up a letter to the NYCLU. Since I'm going to be taking this to court, I'm afraid I can't give you a crystal-clear picture of the whole story here on a public message board, but I'll give you updates when I can. |
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Posted by Subway Signage on Wed Feb 20 20:48:44 2008, in response to ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Nilet on Wed Feb 20 20:45:31 2008. Nilet,There is something seriously wrong with you. No one else seems to be "robbed by cops" as often as you are... except those guilty of a crime of course. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Feb 20 20:50:31 2008, in response to ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Nilet on Wed Feb 20 20:45:31 2008. Wow! That sucks, but good luck with the lawsuit. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Feb 20 20:52:18 2008, in response to ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Nilet on Wed Feb 20 20:45:31 2008. It was announced on the Metro-North ACMU trip back in December 2004 that photography on the Grand Central station platforms was against the rules. I haven't noticed any signs/official documents backing this up, but keep that in mind.Good luck with the lawsuit, though. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Feb 20 20:55:00 2008, in response to ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Nilet on Wed Feb 20 20:45:31 2008. You have explained it vividly.Your platforms don't have videocamera's do they? Cops there must have more freedom. Everywhere else cruisers have camera's usually, or in some way police conduct are recorded. There looks different. |
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Posted by chuchubob on Wed Feb 20 20:55:57 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Subway Signage on Wed Feb 20 20:48:44 2008. Subway Signage,There is something seriously wrong with you. You are an ignorant jerk. |
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Posted by Subway Signage on Wed Feb 20 20:58:01 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by chuchubob on Wed Feb 20 20:55:57 2008. chuchubob, from reading this board for many months, that is my observation. i am not looking for an argument. i respect your sentiment and opinion. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Feb 20 20:58:16 2008, in response to ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Nilet on Wed Feb 20 20:45:31 2008. pleaswe be advised the Constitution has been suspended effective 11Sept 2001. assume the position. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed Feb 20 20:58:49 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Subway Signage on Wed Feb 20 20:48:44 2008. These incidents are becoming more and more frequent again. MTA PD and NYPD are out of control! |
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Posted by Subway Signage on Wed Feb 20 20:59:32 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by BMTLines on Wed Feb 20 20:58:49 2008. As I said to chuchubob, you are entitled to your opinion and i respect it. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Feb 20 21:01:43 2008, in response to ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Nilet on Wed Feb 20 20:45:31 2008. I encourage you to stand up for your rights. It sounds like the cops were in the wrong here. I'm sorry you got treated in an asinine way.I'm sorry someone else didn't videotape the cops taking your equipment away. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed Feb 20 21:04:30 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Feb 20 20:52:18 2008. It was announced on the Metro-North ACMU trip back in December 2004 that photography on the Grand Central station platforms was against the rules.They were LYING! A letter written by the MTA to the NYCLU states otherwise. I challenge anyone to find that rule in writing! |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Feb 20 21:07:15 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by BMTLines on Wed Feb 20 21:04:30 2008. Agreed with you. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Feb 20 21:20:37 2008, in response to ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Nilet on Wed Feb 20 20:45:31 2008. You should contact the news media and TV stations. Are you reading this Bobby Cuza? |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed Feb 20 21:21:34 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Subway Signage on Wed Feb 20 20:59:32 2008. Well I hope he sues for $$$$$$$$$$$ - the MTA needs to be taught a lesson!!! |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Feb 20 21:25:55 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by BMTLines on Wed Feb 20 21:21:34 2008. In this case, I agree. |
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Posted by rtype3995 on Wed Feb 20 21:39:37 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Feb 20 21:25:55 2008. Lmaooo.....I had a train operator on a "b" train tell me picture taking was illegal....I had taken a pic at 182-183rd st, and got on the train. After about 4 stops he opened the door and called me over to explain. I didn't really argue it, but no big deal to me.... |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Wed Feb 20 21:40:18 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Subway Signage on Wed Feb 20 20:48:44 2008. What a kind, thoughtful, sympathetic, compassionate statement.I hope nothing like this ever happens to you. |
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Posted by Subway Signage on Wed Feb 20 21:42:21 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Bingham C50 on Wed Feb 20 21:40:18 2008. me too, i hope i never put myself in such question so often over such a short period of time. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Feb 20 21:42:37 2008, in response to ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Nilet on Wed Feb 20 20:45:31 2008. You need a ticket to be on the platform, unless you'd just gotten off a trainThat's not true. You're allowed to buy a ticket on the train. So all you had to do was say you were getting on a train on a certain track and would buy your ticket on board. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Feb 20 21:43:58 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Feb 20 20:52:18 2008. It was announced on the Metro-North ACMU trip back in December 2004 that photography on the Grand Central station platforms was against the rules. I haven't noticed any signs/official documents backing this up, but keep that in mind.No, IIRC, they either asked us or told us not to take photos, but didn't say that it was against the rules. Because it' not. It may be against that "you need to have a ticket to be on the platform rule", but that's easy to get around. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Feb 20 21:44:30 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Feb 20 21:42:37 2008. Eh. It wouldn't have helped. They hadn't planned on doing anything at first— the summons was for revenge because they didn't like me, not because they could actually make a case that I was trespassing. |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Wed Feb 20 21:47:13 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Subway Signage on Wed Feb 20 21:42:21 2008. Obviously sarcasm doesn't register with you. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Feb 20 21:47:58 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Feb 20 21:43:58 2008. I can't remember the exact wording of what they told us, but it was definitely along the lines of "no photos except of the ACMU."Not that I condone these restrictions in any way, of course. |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Wed Feb 20 21:50:57 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by chuchubob on Wed Feb 20 20:55:57 2008. Agreed.Not to mention cold and insensitive. |
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Posted by error46146 on Wed Feb 20 21:51:10 2008, in response to ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Nilet on Wed Feb 20 20:45:31 2008. That is terrible. They think they can get away with this, but this will be brought to light eventually and justice will be served.I wish you the best of luck in your lawsuit, sue for more money so it hurts them more! |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Feb 20 21:52:01 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by BMTLines on Wed Feb 20 20:58:49 2008. No, Nilet is getting out of control. |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Wed Feb 20 21:54:01 2008, in response to ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Nilet on Wed Feb 20 20:45:31 2008. Horrible. Just horrible.I wish you the very best of luck with your legal action. Enough is enough. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Feb 20 22:00:53 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Feb 20 21:52:01 2008. Do you believe he provoked it? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Feb 20 22:04:27 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Feb 20 22:00:53 2008. Yes. But so what. The employees, the officers and the soldiers were clearly out of control.This MUST stop, and Nilet needs a *good* attorney. Maybe subchatters can recommend one to him. This must be aggressively pursued, the soldiers have to be returned to their barracks and the police need diapers and prozac. ROAR |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Feb 20 22:04:59 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Subway Signage on Wed Feb 20 20:48:44 2008. The reason no one else seems to be robbed by cops as oftern as he is is because most people don't make it an adversarial situation by asking "what would happen if I refused to shut it off". Most reasonable people would just say yes sir and be on their way. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Feb 20 22:05:24 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Feb 20 22:04:27 2008. I agree with that. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Feb 20 22:06:19 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Feb 20 20:52:18 2008. That was before the new information and rules were promulgated, the letters from the police commissioner should always be kept on one's person. You should not depend on your video equipment to record the conversation. You should have a mini-recorder of some sort in a different pocket, out of sight.ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Feb 20 22:08:16 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Feb 20 20:58:16 2008. Bullshit. AlQuidea did NOT win that war. The Talleyban did not win it either. Constitution is still intact. It is police ossifers that are out of control. They should be fired.ROAR |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Feb 20 22:08:46 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Feb 20 22:04:59 2008. Agreed, but the MTA police had no legitimate reason to stop him from filming. If he takes the trouble to sue, good for him.I've got nothing against the police who patrol the system. They are doing what their supervision has instructed them to do. In the case of railbuff photography or video, those marching orders are of no security value, counterproductive and wasteful of officers' time. They also produce resentment and distrust of officers by law-abiding citizens. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Feb 20 22:09:55 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Feb 20 22:08:16 2008. Or at least enlightened. |
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Posted by Phil D. on Wed Feb 20 22:25:29 2008, in response to ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Nilet on Wed Feb 20 20:45:31 2008. Two words. Wow, and Goodluck. |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Wed Feb 20 22:26:22 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Feb 20 20:58:16 2008. A very poor and taseless attempt at humor on your part. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed Feb 20 22:29:12 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by rtype3995 on Wed Feb 20 21:39:37 2008. After about 4 stops he opened the door and called me over to explain. I didn't really argue it, but no big deal to me....That was your choice but some of us find it to be a big deal when employees or cops lie to us by saying something is illegal when it is not. I HATE liars and that's what I consider anyone who disseminates false information. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Feb 20 22:37:32 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Feb 20 21:47:58 2008. but it was definitely along the lines of "no photos except of the ACMU."That of course proves that there's no rule. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Wed Feb 20 22:45:17 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Feb 20 20:58:16 2008. You are a moron. Please don't watch The Steve Wilkos Show, that is moron-free TV. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Feb 20 22:47:21 2008, in response to ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Nilet on Wed Feb 20 20:45:31 2008. That is disgusting, if they really took your memory card, and got so physical. Whenever i hear stories like these, about cops going on power trips, i think it is either due to a bad day, or he has to prove his manliness to everyone.Size doesn't matter, it's how you use it, work with what you got, that is the path to success and happiness, but these cops don't understand that. Damn. Were these young officers? Younger ones tend to be idiotic, and they follow the fads. Older ones tend to be reasonable, and disregard this "Terroristical" photography. They think for themselves. They should publish a story about this paranoia in the Times....HAHA. It might become like McCarthyism, but longer lasting. We won't quit until everyone in the middle east is a democrat, and we'll make them like it. Shame. We even have no fly lists, suspected terrorist lists, and all this nonsense. Did they put you on any "list"? |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Feb 20 22:51:33 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Bingham C50 on Wed Feb 20 21:50:57 2008. Nah, he must be a perfect citizen. |
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Posted by Subway Signage on Wed Feb 20 22:52:00 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Feb 20 22:47:21 2008. Young officers tend to make (for the NYPD) 25-32K a year and get zero support from their bosses. It is shameful. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Feb 20 23:05:55 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Bingham C50 on Wed Feb 20 22:26:22 2008. you don't object to the militarisation of public transport, the aura of fear, the color threat levels which magicly shifted with political winds in DC. Perhaps you don't object to warrantless seareches of your communications, your banking and travel patterns. maybe you believe idle tourist or railfan photography of PUBLIC areas of transit is not a protected right. Does that extend to a postcard like view of a public building? bridge? Having a poorly or fraudulently trained but ARMED cop who not only takes you into custody but sabotages your property on his own authority may not seem like illegal search and seizure to you. Does to me. So speaking of several articles of the Bill of Rights being essentially cancelled seems accurate to me. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Feb 20 23:08:02 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by BMTLines on Wed Feb 20 22:29:12 2008. they are misguided, kindly inform the, tats the best you can do. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Feb 20 23:12:55 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Subway Signage on Wed Feb 20 22:52:00 2008. Shameful, but doesn't justify the behaviour.Don't forget about all the perks either. Don't they get free food, and no taxes? there are others. I am not saying it is easy, but it isn't torture, hopefully they signed up to help people, not torment them. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Feb 20 23:19:52 2008, in response to ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Nilet on Wed Feb 20 20:45:31 2008. Ummmmm, with all the people here who take pictures unmolested, one has to wonder why you seem to be singled out for such harrassment. Maybe it's your behavior? |
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Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Wed Feb 20 23:22:14 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Feb 20 20:52:18 2008. First and foremost, Nilet, what was the special photo op at GCT that you had to get a picture of? An M1A? M2? M3A? M4? M6? M7A? Shoreliner? Phoebe Snow Cars? Private Varnish? What? And you could not go anywhere else on MNRR to get it?Secondly, I was also on the ACMU Farewell Trip back in 2004. I remember the lunch stop at Grand Central Terminal. We were told before we arrived that you may photograph ONLY THE ACMU EXCURSION TRAIN!!! DO NOT PHOTOGRAPH ANY OTHER TRAINS ON ANY OTHER PLATFORMS!!! I believe we were informed that it is not allowed on any of the platforms and the exception was for our special train. It was also told because they did not want anybody wandering around where you are not allowed or on trains that were sitting idle on adjacent tracks. Also, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I just spoke to a friend of mine who is employed by MNRR. A higher up you can say. Anyway, he told me that photography IS INDEED ILLEGAL ON ANY PLATFORM OF GRAND CENTRAL TERMINAL for the exception that you are escorted by Dan Bruckner-MNRR President. Inside the terminal such as in the main concourse-they will not bother you. Also anywhere else on MNRR, they should not bother you. Yes, they may come up to you and QUESTION you. But they SHOULD NOT bother you as long as you are not a distraction of operation or on another's property. But again, we still hear the stories. Nilet, I don't want to say this, but the MNRR Employees, MTAPD and Armed Forces were justified with what they were doing. You did not help the cause either by brushing them off or by saying it is legal when it is not. If you showed the employees a printout of the photography rules, the outcome may have been a little different. You are just asking for trouble every time you go out and take photos. This seems like an every week occurrence with you. IDK if it's your approach to taking photos or what. You may want to give it a rest for a bit. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Feb 20 23:24:36 2008, in response to ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Nilet on Wed Feb 20 20:45:31 2008. '''ripping the battery out of your camera''''''stealing your digital media card out of your camera'' -------------------------------------!!!!!!!!! question to [ Nilet ] are we allowed to operate the policemans gun use thier radios to suit us ? cna i borrow your baton ?? you rip apart and take my camera !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ... ! rip ther badges off thier shirts and pin it on us and play cop ? why si it ok for THEM to steal our cameras and equipment rip our batteries out steal our memory stick media and cards and TAKE IT and keep it STEAL it and dont even give you a RECIEPT ?? arent transit PIGS supposed to give you a reciept for property they take away from so called crimminal suspects ?? item ized reciepts !!! |
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