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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10

Posted by jabrams on Mon Oct 18 19:57:42 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Oct 18 18:17:58 2021.

Not at Hoyt Schmerhorn, but where the 6 tracks run parallel approaching Lafayette (A/C) and Fulton (G).

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10

Posted by ntrainride on Tue Oct 19 11:13:37 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by qveensboro_plaza on Mon Oct 18 17:09:49 2021.

you nailed it. downtown brooklyn definitely was a huge destination.

like with jamaica. even into the early sixties the jamaica avenue shipping district still had alot of inner-core suburban residents going into jamaica by train and bus to shop.

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10

Posted by Q4 on Tue Oct 19 15:22:55 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by 3-9 on Sat Oct 16 22:04:43 2021.

Thanks gbs and 3-9.

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10

Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Oct 19 15:54:08 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by qveensboro_plaza on Mon Oct 18 17:09:49 2021.

Heaven forbid that they caught an "A" train at Fulton-Lafayette, backrode to Hoyt, crossed over and took a northbound "GG"!

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10

Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Oct 19 16:00:27 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by gbs on Fri Oct 15 20:28:05 2021.

They should have made Hoyt-Schermerhorn a 4 track station. The local tracks could have ran to/from Court St. Let's see, the next comment should mention how this would have deprived riders from Church Ave access to crosstown service to Lafayette, and beyond! YAWN!

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10

Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Oct 19 16:01:05 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by gbs on Fri Oct 15 20:28:05 2021.

They should have made Hoyt-Schermerhorn a 4 track station. The local tracks could have ran to/from Court St. Let's see, the next comment should mention how this would have deprived riders from Church Ave access to crosstown service to Lafayette, and beyond! YAWN!

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10

Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Oct 19 16:01:16 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by gbs on Fri Oct 15 20:28:05 2021.

They should have made Hoyt-Schermerhorn a 4 track station. The local tracks could have ran to/from Court St. Let's see, the next comment should mention how this would have deprived riders from Church Ave access to crosstown service to Lafayette, and beyond! YAWN!

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10

Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Oct 19 16:02:46 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Oct 19 16:01:16 2021.

Sorry for the triple posting. Couldn't get it to work properly.

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Oct 19 18:49:48 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Oct 19 15:54:08 2021.

Oy Gevalt!!

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10

Posted by qveensboro_plaza on Wed Oct 20 11:17:44 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Oct 19 15:54:08 2021.

People in Bed-Stuy, Williamsburg, Greenpoint and Queens benefit from having the Fulton St. stop on the G/GG if they are going to/from that neighborhood, which in its day was a shopping/entertainment hub.

By that logic, they could have eliminated 49th Street on the Broadway BMT and made people transfer at Times Square to/from the 1. No big deal, right?





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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Oct 20 13:24:28 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by qveensboro_plaza on Wed Oct 20 11:17:44 2021.

Yeah, I mean WTF?

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10

Posted by murray1575 on Thu Oct 21 01:50:57 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by qveensboro_plaza on Wed Oct 20 11:17:44 2021.

That 49th St. stop on the N/R/W can be quite busy during rush hours as is the 50th St. station on the 1 just a short distance away. The same goes for the 51st St. stop on the 6 which is also a transfer point to the E/M trains at 53rd and Lex. I suspect that they are among the busiest local stations in the system.

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10

Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Oct 21 11:51:07 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Oct 12 16:56:13 2021.

That pic is in Greller's book "New York City Subway Cars", Page 69.

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10

Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Oct 21 11:52:54 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Oct 13 08:54:55 2021.

I really didn't like those porthole windows, and I'm glad that only 110 cars in the whole system ever got them.

But I still admire the R11/15s as classics. Just glad that style didn't catch on.

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A/C/G tracks at Laffayette-Fulton

Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Oct 21 19:18:23 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by jabrams on Mon Oct 18 19:57:42 2021.

That's the first I've heard of this.

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 21 19:18:25 2021, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Oct 10 17:12:18 2021.

I wonder what made the Q types so bad on the Franklin shuttle, despite being wooden and, you know...Malbone St.

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Oct 21 22:38:44 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by jabrams on Mon Oct 18 19:57:42 2021.

Looking at this track map (which granted doesn't show any grade differences), not sure if there would be room. Now if the switches between the tracks from the Transit Museum (which become the local Fulton St tracks) and the tracks from Manhattan (which become the express tracks) were to be moved further east, you maybe could put switches between the A/C tracks and the G tracks where those other switches are now (that's only if the G tracks maintain grade long enough before ducking under the westbound tracks). In any event, I doubt MTA would want to bother with that.

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Oct 21 23:05:08 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 21 19:18:25 2021.

The grade between Prospect Park and Botanic Gardens is very steep. Add that to the fact that the middle car of a 3 car set is unpowered.

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10

Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Oct 22 00:41:39 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Oct 21 23:05:08 2021.

What about the C cars? Same grade problem?

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Oct 22 01:23:37 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Oct 22 00:41:39 2021.

That IDK. Sorry.

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10

Posted by William A. Padron on Fri Oct 22 08:10:09 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Oct 21 22:38:44 2021.

The tracks take a descending dip at each end of the "G" line tracks at Hoyt-Schermerhorn, as to go under the infrastructure, so there is no wiggle room to put any switches there between those and the ones for the "A"/"C" Fulton Street Line tracks. Also, there is a wall that separates the Manhattan-bound Fulton Street Line local track and the Queens-bound Crosstown Line track just west of the Fulton/Lafayette combo.

It should be noted the "G"'s Fulton Street station along Lafayette Avenue is the closest to Fulton itself, with the main entrance/exit there at its west end of the location, plus a secondary one at the east end for South Portland Avenue. Meanwhile, the "A"/"C"'s Lafayette Avenue station has it positioned a bit further away from Lafayette itself, with the entrances/exits at South Portland Avenue and South Oxford Street along Fulton Street.

There were some painted lettering on the mezzanine tiles leading towards Greene Avenue. A free transfer connecting tunnel built under South Portland Avenue would not be practical and feasible, and oddly despite having a mezzanine at the Lafayette Avenue station, there is no reverse direction free transfer available because of the metal fencing that separates there, a la like 75th Avenue on the Queens Boulevard line, unless you can use your unlimited Metrocard to do so.

-William A. Padron
["Lafayette"]



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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10

Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Oct 22 16:59:23 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Oct 21 23:05:08 2021.

larry wrote that the 5 section Multi's didn't pass the tests, either. I wonder why?

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Oct 22 20:18:22 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Oct 21 23:05:08 2021.

Everybody out and push!:)

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10

Posted by randyo on Sat Oct 23 16:43:28 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Oct 22 00:41:39 2021.

Cs didn't have that problem since they kept their original BU trucks. The problem with the Qs was they had the IRT Composite maximum traction trucks installed and maxi,um traction trucks don't perform well with trailers in the consist.

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Oct 24 10:17:02 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by randyo on Sat Oct 23 16:43:28 2021.

The Qs were souped down when they went over to the 3rd Ave. el.

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10

Posted by randyo on Mon Oct 25 02:05:53 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Oct 24 10:17:02 2021.

That was because the B of T officials felt that when 2 Q units were coupled together the weight of 2 sets of 2 motor trucks in a small area would be too heavy for the Manhattan el structure. The easy way was to replace the Qs' trucks with the maximum traction (single motor) trucks from the Composites then being scrapped. The problem could have been solved just as easily by moving the motor trucks of the Qs to the #2 ends of the A and C sections which would have prevent kept the rucks within the unit slightly more than a car length apart mitigating the weight problem without diminishing their pulling capability.

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