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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jul 6 13:05:58 2013, in response to Re: R32's on the J, posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 6 09:20:28 2013. I never saw any difference. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 6 13:13:40 2013, in response to Re: R32's on the J, posted by merrick1 on Sat Jul 6 13:01:47 2013. What does that have to do with anything? |
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Posted by joe c on Sat Jul 6 14:52:25 2013, in response to PHOTOS: Re: R32's on the J, posted by chuchubob on Sat Jul 6 09:41:29 2013. Nice shots.til next time |
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Posted by joe c on Sat Jul 6 14:53:15 2013, in response to Re: R32's on the J, posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 6 12:12:21 2013. Thanks!til next time |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 6 15:07:25 2013, in response to Re: R32's on the J, posted by Railman718 on Sat Jul 6 07:56:32 2013. But we both like real railfans. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 6 15:13:02 2013, in response to Re: R32's on the J, posted by merrick1 on Sat Jul 6 13:01:47 2013. Whether the MTA is or isn't a person, you made the statement that they cut back on maintenance on an aging fleet to save money. You were not criticized. You were corrected. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 6 15:59:25 2013, in response to Re: R32's on the J, posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 5 06:03:59 2013. Except for the 10 R-32s that got Sigma A/C systems, why do you assume that the R-32s got A/C systems that were inferior to the R-42 A/C systems that were installed during GOH?That happens to be a myth. The fact is that the R-42s were designed for A/C and were delivered with A/C when new. Their systems components were replaced during GOH. The R-32, on the other hand was not designed to be equipped with A/C and the car had to be modified to accept an A/C system. Perhaps pipes were not always able to be run in the most efficient way nor were components mounted in the most advantageous position. The car bodies and especially the roofs had to be modified for A/C. It's understandable that the same A/C system in the R-42 might not perform as well in an R-32. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 6 16:45:14 2013, in response to Re: R32's on the J, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jul 6 13:04:50 2013. All four of them out there, and make sure you hear the latches. Remember it well. :) |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jul 6 17:07:58 2013, in response to Re: R32's on the J, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 6 15:59:25 2013. Thanks for articulating much better a post I made earlier, and you made it much easier to understand than I. . |
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Posted by snarf368 on Sat Jul 6 17:52:34 2013, in response to Re: R32's on the J, posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 4 11:26:28 2013. Joe V said "It should say Broad Street, Wall Street. The train runs along Broad Street. Name the cross street. Everybody in the world knows what boro Wall Street is in. "If it was up to me, I would have named it "Broad St-Financial District". Roll signs and NTT signs are not tourist friendly. Lower Manhattan can be anywhere south of 42 Street. |
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Posted by snarf368 on Sat Jul 6 17:53:50 2013, in response to Re: R32's on the J, posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 4 11:26:28 2013. Joe V said "It should say Broad Street, Wall Street. The train runs along Broad Street. Name the cross street. Everybody in the world knows what boro Wall Street is in. "If it was up to me, I would have named it "Broad St-Financial District". Roll signs and NTT signs are not tourist friendly. Lower Manhattan can be anywhere south of 42 Street. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 6 19:40:56 2013, in response to Re: R32's on the J, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jul 6 17:07:58 2013. That was my point on the R40 question. You said you did not notice any difference between the OEM and retrofitted cars for AC. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 6 19:43:20 2013, in response to Re: R32's on the J, posted by snarf368 on Sat Jul 6 17:52:34 2013. Well, to a tourist, "Financial District" could be confused with "World Financial Center, clear on the other side of the island, actually landfill in the Hudson.Can't be any more precise than the street intersection coordinates. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 6 21:29:49 2013, in response to Re: R32's on the J, posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 6 19:40:56 2013. You make an interesting point! Then again, look at it this way. The R-40 slants were designed without A/C and 300 were delivered that way. The last 100 had the A/C added much the same way that the R-32 had its A/C added - pipes and components placed where it was convenient. Now you do GOH and add A/C to the other 300 cars. Wouldn't it make sense that the A/C be added in the same configuration that was used on the other 100 cars? |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 6 21:45:36 2013, in response to Re: R32's on the J, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 6 21:29:49 2013. Then consider that 10 R38's came with AC. Was that a failed venture ?There has to be some technical difference, aside form retrofit and age, that the R32's AC sucks. M-K did both the R32 & R42. None of the theories seem to prove out. PATH's PA1's had it working for 45 years, though were built with it, and it was a tiny car. Not much outdoor running on their 4 routes. 200 of the the retrofit R40 Slants had it working OK for 20+ years, and they lived mostly in tunnels. For the 40 on the Eastern Division, rarely on outdoorsy the J/Z, mostly on the L train. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 6 21:49:23 2013, in response to Re: R32's on the J, posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 6 21:45:36 2013. Are you aware of the rate of failure for the R-40 A/C systems vs the R-32 A/C systems? Do you know which fleet(s) had the most reliable A/C systems and which the least? I'll be interested in your answers. Then we can discuss it further. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 6 21:58:57 2013, in response to Re: R32's on the J, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 6 21:49:23 2013. No I am not. I am just saying that Bill said he saw no difference in the 2 groups of R40's. That would be a good scientific sampling to prove the OEM/Retrofit theory one way or another.Then there is the Phase I verses Phase II issue. Was there an issue more with the ones on the C than the ones on the E, or vice versa ? There has never been a push to get another SMEE subway car with retrofit AC outside except the R32. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 6 22:10:42 2013, in response to Re: R32's on the J, posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 6 21:58:57 2013. "No I am not. I am just saying that Bill said he saw no difference in the 2 groups of R40's. That would be a good scientific sampling to prove the OEM/Retrofit theory one way or another.That is because for all intents and purposes, all of the R-40s were retrofits since the A/C was added to the original design. "Then there is the Phase I verses Phase II issue. Was there an issue more with the ones on the C than the ones on the E, or vice versa ? At the end of their career the R-32s were moving around between Coney Island, Pitkin, 207th St and Jamaica. When they finally shook down, the 32 Phase is ended up at 207th St and the Phase II ended up at Jamaica. Before you read too much into that, the Phase II never went through the last SMS while the phase Is did. However A/C condensers were a 10% item, The main concern of the last SMS were the age of some of the trucks. "There has never been a push to get another SMEE subway car with retrofit AC outside except the R32." Most of the IRT up to the R-36s (excluding the R-33 singles) had a single A/C unit added so the answer is yes. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jul 7 13:51:32 2013, in response to R32's on the J, posted by joe c on Wed Jul 3 22:55:42 2013.  Sniff Sniff....wow does this remind me of my teenage years in the 80's..... Except of course it was mostly the R27-30's back then on the J, but the R32's did run often on the M. When the M ran out of Coney Island, it had some interesting equipment. Just about every 60 foot car would run, so we had everything back then. (Except R10's, didn't see those on it). Once the M was thrown off the Brighton though and put to the west end, that was all over. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jul 7 15:13:50 2013, in response to Re: R32's on the J, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jul 7 13:51:32 2013. They do play partial homage to BMT style route designation, in combo with their Nassau Street bullshit, which the public has never accepted as a service name. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 7 16:01:17 2013, in response to Re: R32's on the J, posted by Joe V on Sun Jul 7 15:13:50 2013. truth..why would they since Nassau st is only a drop in the bucket on the street map. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jul 7 17:24:50 2013, in response to Re: R32's on the J, posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 7 16:01:17 2013. And they originally (1960) were to call the KK the Nassau Street local, even though the Bway Bklyn local back in the day terminated at Canal Street along Center Street. But nobody ever knew since an R27-32 never got there prior to Chrystie. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jul 7 18:08:47 2013, in response to Re: R32's on the J, posted by Joe V on Sun Jul 7 17:24:50 2013. In case some of you weren't aware, the entire IND line from Bergen St to Church Av was originally called the "Smith St Line" even though it only ran under Smith St between just S/O Jay St to 9 St. The rest of the line ran under various other streets like 9 St, Prospect Pk West, Prospect A, Ft Hamilton Pky and McDonald Av. |
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Posted by renee gil on Sun Jul 7 20:15:06 2013, in response to Re: R32's on the J, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jul 7 13:51:32 2013. r32's also ran on the J around the same time..(mid 80s) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 8 00:16:24 2013, in response to Re: R32's on the J, posted by Joe V on Sun Jul 7 17:24:50 2013. 1960..the Bway El had several services..all under the BMT number system. 14 Bway Bklyn Locals.. 15 Jamaica Express 15 Jamaica Local.. 10 Myrtle/Chambers Express. Since the R27/30 never made it to the east until 1967..as they were the main stay of the southern lines until the 32s came in..the 16s provided most Jamaica/Bway Bklyn line service. the REAL Nassau st train was the TT and Bankers Special M lines. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Jul 8 08:17:40 2013, in response to Re: R32's on the J, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 6 01:23:36 2013. Not to be overlooked is the environment underground has changed.There have been more entrances/exits sealed closed. Gratings covered over, and open spaces on mezzanines closed off. This keeps hot air from naturally moving and escaping to the surface. The person that finds a way to utilize all of that heat energy would be a hero. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Jul 8 10:01:26 2013, in response to Re: R32's on the J, posted by Avid Reader on Mon Jul 8 08:17:40 2013. The person that finds a way to utilize all of that heat energy would be a hero. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by monorail on Mon Jul 8 16:36:31 2013, in response to Re: R32's on the J, posted by Fred G on Mon Jul 8 10:01:26 2013. must've been a big rat.... |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Tue Jul 9 10:25:27 2013, in response to Re: R32's on the J, posted by Fred G on Mon Jul 8 10:01:26 2013. I guess a few slabs of beef and pork for several hours of slow heat could do the trick!Pass the hot sauce, please. |
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Posted by John c on Sun Jan 5 05:03:49 2014, in response to Re: R32's on the J, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jul 7 13:51:32 2013. Are there still any R32 sets on the J/Z? Thanks in advance. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jan 5 07:23:11 2014, in response to Re: R32's on the J, posted by John c on Sun Jan 5 05:03:49 2014. My sources say yes. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 5 08:11:12 2014, in response to Re: R32's on the J, posted by John c on Sun Jan 5 05:03:49 2014. Someone saw the one set last week. |
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Posted by monorail on Sun Jan 5 10:05:36 2014, in response to Re: R32's on the J, posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 5 08:11:12 2014. the one and only... |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 5 10:09:16 2014, in response to Re: R32's on the J, posted by monorail on Sun Jan 5 10:05:36 2014. One set was sent over before the summer tranche, possibly to compensate for the R160 SMS. It seems the C train can do without it. When that SMS is over, they should junk the worst 8 R42's. |
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Posted by VictorM on Sun Jan 5 12:39:53 2014, in response to Re: R32's on the J, posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 5 08:11:12 2014. I saw it running Manhattan bound on Jamaica Av this past Wednesday at 8AM. |
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Posted by VictorM on Sun Jan 5 12:48:42 2014, in response to Re: R32's on the J, posted by VictorM on Sun Jan 5 12:39:53 2014. It was actually this Thursday. (Wednesday was a holiday). |
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Posted by Ray Jules on Sun Jan 5 16:31:28 2014, in response to Re: R32's on the J, posted by John c on Sun Jan 5 05:03:49 2014. There is one set still running, usually during rush hours only. |
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Posted by John c on Mon Jan 6 06:56:23 2014, in response to Re: R32's on the J, posted by Ray Jules on Sun Jan 5 16:31:28 2014. Thanks for all the replies. I'll show up in the rush hour and see what happens. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 6 16:28:25 2014, in response to Re: R32's on the J, posted by John c on Mon Jan 6 06:56:23 2014. Your chances are 1:21, and could wait 2 hours for one |
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Posted by John c on Tue Jan 14 10:36:55 2014, in response to Re: R32's on the J, posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 6 16:28:25 2014. I was lucky. On Tuesday the R32 set did the 17:20 from Broad St on the J. Would it have been out all day on this turn?On Wednesday I was hopeful it would be out again so I went out to Broadway Junction early afternoon where I found the R32 was parked up in East New York yard. It came out for the rush hour and did the 17:15 from Broad St on the Z. On Friday it did the 17:05 on the Z from Broad St. The only other old cars I saw on the J/Z that day was a set of R42 on the 17:35 from Broad St. I didn't see all the J trains but there were a lot of R42 parked up in East New York yard. 8 cars out of 50 in service is very poor. On Friday I saw two pairs of spare R32 cars in East New York; I'm assuming one pair was 3714+3715, I couldn't identify the other pair. For the record the formation of the R32 set changed on Tuesday night, formations as follows, north end set listed first. Tuesday 3778+3932+3714+3770 Wednesday/Friday 3426+3778+3932+3770 |
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