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NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches

Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Jul 11 23:15:32 2010

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Here are the agenda items for this Wednesday's board meeting:

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DUAL-POWERED PASSENGER LOCOMOTIVES: PURCHASE OF 10 OPTION PASSENGER LOCOMOTIVES AND CONTRACT AMENDMENT FOR CONSULTANT SERVICES FOR ENGINEERING ASSISTANCE

The NJ TRANSIT fleet plan provides for replacing the aging diesel locomotives with dual-powered locomotives. The purchase of 10 additional Dual-Powered Locomotives and spare parts will also serve NJ TRANSIT's eventual one-seat, direct rail service to New York City.

The locomotives purchased by this option will be identical to the base order of 26 locomotives now in the design phase of the project. Currently, 37 percent of the NJ TRANSIT commuter rail system is not electrified. The purchase of the dual-powered locomotives is a cost-effective solution for operating in both electrified and non-electrified territory. The dual-powered locomotives will provide the flexibility to operate throughout the entire system as needed.

Authorization is requested to exercise an option under the existing contract (No. 07-062) with Bombardier Transit Corporation of Bensalem, Pennsylvania, for the purchase of 10 option dual-powered locomotives, including spare parts, at a cost not to exceed $78,849,571 plus five percent for contingencies, for a total contract authorization of $408,209,487, subject to the availability of funds.

Authorization is requested to amend the professional services contract (No. 05-098) with STV, Incorporated of New York, New York, for engineering assistance with the manufacture of the 10 option dual-powered locomotives at a cost not to exceed $330,000, plus five percent for contingencies, for a total authorization of $13,804,350, subject to the availability of funds.


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CONTRACT TO PURCHASE 100 MULTILEVEL PASSENGER VEHICLES AND CONTRACT FOR CONSULTANT SERVICES FOR ENGINEERING ASSISTANCE

The purchase of 100 Multilevel push-pull rail cars and spare parts will continue the replacement of NJ TRANSIT's aging passenger car fleet with Multilevel cars. These vehicles will be designed and equipped with 2/2 fixed seating, indirect lighting, wide aisles and large vestibule areas to provide ease of boarding and de-boarding with increased passenger comfort, as well as provide for increased system capacity without the immediate need to increase platform lengths. The cars will be designed to be fully capable of operating on all NJ TRANSIT lines, including the new ARC tunnel, and will be compatible with NJ TRANSIT's current fleet of push-pull vehicles, locomotives and all of NJ TRANSIT's infrastructure, facilities and stations. The procurement is structured for a base order of 100 cars with options to allow for further replacement of NJ TRANSIT's older vehicles and to accommodate potential future ridership demands.

NJ TRANSIT also requires engineering assistance during the Multilevel car manufacture to ensure a high level of quality through the production, testing and warranty phases of the procurement. LTK Engineering Services was selected after a competitive procurement process to provide engineering, quality assurance, testing, and project management services.

Authorization is requested to contract (No. 09-067) with Bombardier Transportation of Bensalem, Pennsylvania, for the purchase of 100 Multilevel push-pull rail cars and spare parts at a cost not to exceed $279,561,900, plus five percent for contingencies, for a total contract authorization of $293,539,995, subject to the availability of funds.

Authorization is requested to contract (No. 09-068) with LTK Engineering Services of Ambler, Pennsylvania, for engineering, quality assurance, testing, and project management services for the manufacture of the 100 Multilevel push-pull rail cars at a cost not to exceed $9,215,342, plus five percent for contingencies, for a total contract authorization of $9,676,110, subject to the availability of funds.

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Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Jul 11 23:17:22 2010, in response to NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Jul 11 23:15:32 2010.

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"1007-37"

Fishbowl 5301 must be crying himself to sleep right now!! :-D

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Re: NJT to waste more dough on 10 more ALP-45DPs and 100 more Multilevel coaches

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 11 23:18:42 2010, in response to NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Jul 11 23:15:32 2010.

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Looks like Christie didn't stop that pork from happening. Forget about expanding the network, eh?

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Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 11 23:20:02 2010, in response to Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Jul 11 23:17:22 2010.

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There's more reason to that than lack of maneuverability up and down the levels. Wait until the darn MMC gets a hold of 'em . . . those three-day brake inspections are going to make other maintenance suffer big-time.

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Re: NJT to waste more dough on 10 more ALP-45DPs and 100 more Multilevel coaches

Posted by WillD on Sun Jul 11 23:39:01 2010, in response to Re: NJT to waste more dough on 10 more ALP-45DPs and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 11 23:18:42 2010.

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At the rate they're going NJT will spend upwards of 10 billion dollars on rolling stock alone by 2020. We'll have more shiny new trains than any other system's total fleet, and absolutely nowhere to run them, in Manhattan, New Jersey or elsewhere. Meanwhile we'll have bent over backward to service the supercommuters from Princeton, High Bridge, Bay Head, Hackettstown, and points north of Suffern so they can tout catch phrases like Transit Oriented Development on their projects, all while allowing existing urban core services to atrophy under the anemic pace of their push pull trainsets. Fifteen years from now Bergen County will still be a basketcase to get around during rush hour, NJ-ARP will be holding up the Northern Branch HBLRT studies as a path forward, the Lackawanna Coalition will still be worshiping at the altar of the almighty Cutoff to add more supercommuters to the NJT mix, and NJ will have become the Mississippi of the Northeast.

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Re: NJT to waste more dough on 10 more ALP-45DPs and 100 more Multilevel coaches

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 12 00:20:17 2010, in response to Re: NJT to waste more dough on 10 more ALP-45DPs and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by WillD on Sun Jul 11 23:39:01 2010.

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No, the "supercommuters" won't get served except by the bus. All this stuff is ARC-oriented to try and get everything out of HOB and into NYP, all while actually shrinking the capacity of all of the existing network. (And to be fair, west of Suffern is all up to Metro-North.)

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Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches

Posted by arnine on Mon Jul 12 06:22:26 2010, in response to NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Jul 11 23:15:32 2010.

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Uggh :(

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Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches

Posted by Fred G on Mon Jul 12 07:04:01 2010, in response to NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Jul 11 23:15:32 2010.

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Thanks for posting this, Chuck. It'll be interesting to see where the money comes from for this purchase.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches

Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Mon Jul 12 08:24:57 2010, in response to Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Jul 11 23:17:22 2010.

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I just noticed this after I woke up. I just hope the lawsuits start to pile up from the prematurely disabled trainmen, since I don't think the other agencies that run these or similar cars require their employees to do 3 roundtrips with no breaks, like they do at NJT.

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Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches

Posted by Jersey Mike on Mon Jul 12 09:13:15 2010, in response to NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Jul 11 23:15:32 2010.

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After all of those fare increases where the fuck are they getting the money to buy new equipment? What ever happened to deferring maintenance and using older equipment to keep the service running? I guess the cost of a few one seat rides are the highest average fares in the country.

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Re: NJT to waste more dough on 10 more ALP-45DPs and 100 more Multilevel coaches

Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Jul 12 11:30:35 2010, in response to Re: NJT to waste more dough on 10 more ALP-45DPs and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 11 23:18:42 2010.

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I agree with this only because the ALP-45DPs don't yet exist and haven't been proven to work.

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Re: NJT to waste more dough on 10 more ALP-45DPs and 100 more Multilevel coaches

Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 12 12:54:27 2010, in response to Re: NJT to waste more dough on 10 more ALP-45DPs and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 11 23:18:42 2010.

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Looks like Christie didn't stop that pork from happening.

To be sure, NJT's move is unsurprising if you take into account that he hired the late Mr. Warrington's cadre of trusted advisers.

Forget about expanding the network, eh?

THE tunnel, terminal, and associated work like PORTAL moves forward, as does HBLR route 440 extension and Camden-Glassboro. However, much of the rest of NJT's expansion agenda looks to be on the back burner for the foreseeable future, at least as of now.



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Re: NJT to waste more dough on 10 more ALP-45DPs and 100 more Multilevel coaches

Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 12 13:00:37 2010, in response to Re: NJT to waste more dough on 10 more ALP-45DPs and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by WillD on Sun Jul 11 23:39:01 2010.

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At the rate they're going NJT will spend upwards of 10 billion dollars on rolling stock alone by 2020. We'll have more shiny new trains than any other system's total fleet, and absolutely nowhere to run them, in Manhattan, New Jersey or elsewhere.

I don't follow - THE project moves forward, no? Granted, I have my disagreement with THE project, especially in terms of its alignment, but at this point, it's too late to pull the plug (condemnations have already started), and something is better than nothing.

allowing existing urban core services to atrophy under the anemic pace of their push pull trainsets.

To what extent does NJT (commuter) rail serve urban cores, except incidentally, though? It's almost exclusively a suburban, sometimes exurban, occasionally even rural, service.

Fifteen years from now Bergen County will still be a basketcase to get around during rush hour

Not surprising, if you consider that the spirit of the late Mr. Warrington is now back at NJT.



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Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches

Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 12 13:03:49 2010, in response to Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by Fred G on Mon Jul 12 07:04:01 2010.

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It'll be interesting to see where the money comes from for this purchase.

No doubt NJT's capital budget. Although I can't locate the line-by-line on that.

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Re: NJT to waste more dough on 10 more ALP-45DPs and 100 more Multilevel coaches

Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 12 13:06:37 2010, in response to Re: NJT to waste more dough on 10 more ALP-45DPs and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Jul 12 11:30:35 2010.

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With any luck, the first few ALP45DPs will spontaneously combust (without harming any personnel, of course). I fear that nothing short of that will awaken NJT to how far off they are on the dual mode push-pull/EMU balance.

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Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches

Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Jul 12 14:09:01 2010, in response to NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Jul 11 23:15:32 2010.

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Duh! Where are the new EMUs?

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Re: NJT to waste more dough on 10 more ALP-45DPs and 100 more Multilevel coaches

Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jul 12 18:52:57 2010, in response to Re: NJT to waste more dough on 10 more ALP-45DPs and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 12 13:00:37 2010.

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To what extent does NJT (commuter) rail serve urban cores

I'm probably speaking out of turn for Mr Dobner, but I suspect he's referring to TODs in older suburban cities like Paterson or East Orange. Even smaller scale development around places like New Brunswick, Clifton, or Linden are probably in the scope of what he's looking for. It's in contrast to a TOD at a location like Princeton Junction or High Bridge. The virtual equivalent in LIRR speak would be a TOD at New Hyde Park or Freeport.

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Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 12 18:58:03 2010, in response to Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Jul 12 14:09:01 2010.

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What new EMUs? If this doesn't scream "no more EMUs at NJT", I don't know what does.

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Re: NJT to waste more dough on 10 more ALP-45DPs and 100 more Multilevel coaches

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 12 19:00:19 2010, in response to Re: NJT to waste more dough on 10 more ALP-45DPs and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 12 13:00:37 2010.

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something is better than nothing

Don't agree.

To what extent does NJT (commuter) rail serve urban cores, except incidentally, though? It's almost exclusively a suburban, sometimes exurban, occasionally even rural, service

Rural? NJTR serves no rural areas.

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Re: NJT to waste more dough on 10 more ALP-45DPs and 100 more Multilevel coaches

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 12 19:00:43 2010, in response to Re: NJT to waste more dough on 10 more ALP-45DPs and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Jul 12 11:30:35 2010.

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So all the endless multilevels are no waste of dough?

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Re: NJT to waste more dough on 10 more ALP-45DPs and 100 more Multilevel coaches

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 12 19:01:20 2010, in response to Re: NJT to waste more dough on 10 more ALP-45DPs and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 12 13:06:37 2010.

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With any luck, the first few ALP45DPs will spontaneously combust (without harming any personnel, of course)

That'll be some definition of "luck", given that they cost $12 million apiece.

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Re: NJT to waste more dough on 10 more ALP-45DPs and 100 more Multilevel coaches

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 12 19:04:01 2010, in response to Re: NJT to waste more dough on 10 more ALP-45DPs and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jul 12 18:52:57 2010.

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I suspect he's referring to TODs in older suburban cities like Paterson or East Orange

Transit-oriented "development" is counterproductive; the goal is bizarre insofar as the implications of making the intended residency dependent on the public people movers, no matter how badly the service gets degraded (and with the endless multilevels versus EMUs, the service keeps getting slower and slower). Railroads developed independently of such myopic viewpoints, and TOD fans fail to recognize that, nor do they recognize the true inherent value of rail transportation.

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Re: NJT to waste more dough on 10 more ALP-45DPs and 100 more Multilevel coaches

Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jul 12 19:06:01 2010, in response to Re: NJT to waste more dough on 10 more ALP-45DPs and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 12 19:00:19 2010.

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NJTR serves no rural areas.

If one isn't too picky, I'd argue for the PVL north of Suffern, the extreme end of the Gladstone Branch, west of Raritan on the RVL, and the Atlantic City line east of Atco.

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Re: NJT to waste more dough on 10 more ALP-45DPs and 100 more Multilevel coaches

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 12 19:13:59 2010, in response to Re: NJT to waste more dough on 10 more ALP-45DPs and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jul 12 19:06:01 2010.

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No, none of those are rural.

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Re: NJT to blow more bucks on 10 more ALP-45DPs and 100 more Multilevels

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 12 19:15:49 2010, in response to Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Mon Jul 12 08:24:57 2010.

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Wait until Shirley Time turns into Weinstein Time . . .

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Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 12 19:16:43 2010, in response to Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by Jersey Mike on Mon Jul 12 09:13:15 2010.

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Don't have to defer maintenance, other than not inspecting the darn multilevel brakes every three days . . .

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Re: NJT to waste more dough on 10 more ALP-45DPs and 100 more Multilevel coaches

Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jul 12 19:22:01 2010, in response to Re: NJT to waste more dough on 10 more ALP-45DPs and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 12 19:04:01 2010.

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the goal is bizarre insofar as the implications of making the intended residency dependent on the public people movers

I am not a planning expert, but generally, the goal behind TODs is to build denser development, generally around mass transit to discourage auto usage by having mixed used developments to minimize travel time to local shops and railway (or bus) service which should theoretically make commuting via transit more palatable.

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Re: NJT to waste more dough on 10 more ALP-45DPs and 100 more Multilevel coaches

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 12 19:32:28 2010, in response to Re: NJT to waste more dough on 10 more ALP-45DPs and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jul 12 19:22:01 2010.

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generally, the goal behind TODs is to build denser development, generally around mass transit to discourage auto usage by having mixed used developments to minimize travel time to local shops and railway (or bus) service which should theoretically make commuting via transit more palatable

That's not how NYC developed. The city still has about a 40 percent auto ownership rate.

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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 12 19:37:07 2010, in response to Re: NJT to waste more dough on 10 more ALP-45DPs and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 12 12:54:27 2010.

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To be sure, NJT's move is unsurprising if you take into account that he hired the late Mr. Warrington's cadre of trusted advisers

Kinda goes against some of his election claims, in that case.

THE tunnel, terminal, and associated work like PORTAL moves forward, as does HBLR route 440 extension and Camden-Glassboro

The only thing I see pretty much guaranteed is THAT Tunnel (since the ALP-45DPs are so contingent on that happening), barring some catastrophic fiscal disaster, and that's a tremendously-"porkified" project. Those latter two are still in the studying phase; and as far as HBLR west of West Side Avenue goes, it was a huge mistake to completely demolish the former CNJ right of way. (Originally, the proposal was to send the light rail to Society Hill.)

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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jul 12 19:45:30 2010, in response to Re: NJT to waste more dough on 10 more ALP-45DPs and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 12 19:32:28 2010.

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That's not how NYC developed.

Actually, a sizable bit of the city's pre-1940 growth came from building apartments and homes within walking distance of some form of mass transit. The photos of the elevated lines running through empty lands which turned into highly developed areas within a few years certainly gives credit to development spurred by transit.

The city still has about a 40 percent auto ownership rate.

That rate would be higher if it wasn't for the public transport system and high densities. As much as we bash NYCTA, it's presence on both the rail and bus modes of transport helps to create incentive to not own a car, or for families to simply one car in lieu of two.


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Re: NJT to waste more dough on 10 more ALP-45DPs and 100 more Multilevel coaches

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 12 19:49:51 2010, in response to Re: NJT to waste more dough on 10 more ALP-45DPs and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jul 12 19:45:30 2010.

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a sizable bit of the city's pre-1940 growth came from building apartments and homes within walking distance of some form of mass transit

No, transit was incidental. That growth happened in other adjacent areas sans mass transit.

That rate would be higher if it wasn't for the public transport system and high densities

No, the culture changed. When I first moved to Elizabeth NJ for example, it had only the same amount of rail transit it has now, but there were far fewer automobiles.

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Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jul 12 20:15:28 2010, in response to Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 11 23:20:02 2010.

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Wouldn't surprise me not one bit!!! :-P

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Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jul 12 20:16:23 2010, in response to Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Mon Jul 12 08:24:57 2010.

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I told ya'.....send 'em here to MNR!! I await their arrival!! :-D

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Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches

Posted by arnine on Mon Jul 12 20:20:37 2010, in response to Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jul 12 20:16:23 2010.

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Thankfully they won't fit in GCT :) The closest they'd get 2 MNR is WOH

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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jul 12 20:23:38 2010, in response to Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by arnine on Mon Jul 12 20:20:37 2010.

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Actually, they can fit into GCT, and the Park Avenue Tunnel. The only thing about them is that if such type of equipment is ever ordered and run here, it would be restricted, due to the low clearance between track and undercarriage, to the 20-tracks and mid-30-tracks, and would not be run at all on the lower level. A set of C-3s from the LIRR some years back made it down the Park Avenue Tunnel and into GCT.

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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Jul 12 20:34:55 2010, in response to Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jul 12 20:23:38 2010.

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only C-1's were tested and those don't even get close to multilevel clearances.
I ran all the LIRR Fl9ac and C1 test on the test train.
Again no clearance test or callculations on NJT multilevels were ever made, despite former President Canitto's wishes.

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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jul 12 20:37:05 2010, in response to Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Jul 12 20:34:55 2010.

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My mistake on the car models. Thanks for the correction!! :-)

Speaking of the C-1s, I guess they must have been scrapped or stored. Have not seen them since the FL-9s left the LIRR property.

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Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Jul 12 20:42:18 2010, in response to Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jul 12 20:37:05 2010.

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Some are still in Torrington ct on Naugy and 2 or 4 went to new Skitrain that Amtrak never ran from Denver

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Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jul 12 20:42:18 2010, in response to Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Jul 12 20:34:55 2010.

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Are there any photos out there showing this C-1 test train???

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Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Jul 12 20:45:46 2010, in response to Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jul 12 20:42:18 2010.

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http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2410767140054618804eCDAco
Just two LIRR FL9ac's bracketing a pair of C1's

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Re: NJT to waste more dough on 10 more ALP-45DPs and 100 more Multilevel coaches

Posted by kp5308 on Mon Jul 12 20:49:46 2010, in response to Re: NJT to waste more dough on 10 more ALP-45DPs and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 12 19:13:59 2010.

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No, none of those are rural.

Tell ya what: ask someone from, say, Westfield how "urban" Atco is (if they know where Atco is).....

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Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jul 12 20:51:38 2010, in response to Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Jul 12 20:45:46 2010.

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Seems like the foamer who got that shot was YOU!!! :-D

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Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Jul 12 20:53:03 2010, in response to Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jul 12 20:51:38 2010.

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yup just before a evening run. one of first digital camera's.

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Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jul 12 20:59:20 2010, in response to Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Jul 12 20:53:03 2010.

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Nice catch!!

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Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches

Posted by arnine on Mon Jul 12 21:06:46 2010, in response to Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jul 12 20:23:38 2010.

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Hmmm.. well I doubt MNR will get them. At least I hope not



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Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 12 21:33:55 2010, in response to Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jul 12 20:16:23 2010.

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Go WOH and you'll probably get 'em . . . (but that means you have to switch to NJTR)

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Re: NJT to waste more dough on 10 more ALP-45DPs and 100 more Multilevel coaches

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 12 21:36:41 2010, in response to Re: NJT to waste more dough on 10 more ALP-45DPs and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by kp5308 on Mon Jul 12 20:49:46 2010.

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Just because an area's not rural doesn't make it urban.

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Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jul 12 22:04:55 2010, in response to Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 12 21:33:55 2010.

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If only we ran those trains on the WOH, I would have no problems whatsoever doing it. Hoboken I can get to in no time!!

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Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches

Posted by Fred G on Mon Jul 12 22:45:32 2010, in response to Re: NJT to authorize purchase of 10 more ALP45DP dual mode locomotives and 100 more Multilevel coaches, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jul 12 13:03:49 2010.

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Maybe they'll sell the Morristown Line off.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: NJT to blow more bucks on 10 more ALP-45DPs and 100 more Multilevels

Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Mon Jul 12 22:51:21 2010, in response to Re: NJT to blow more bucks on 10 more ALP-45DPs and 100 more Multilevels, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 12 19:15:49 2010.

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LOL!

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