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Posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Tue Apr 27 00:16:25 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Apr 25 19:49:41 2010. One justification for CBTC was that trains could run at tighter headways than with block signaling, so they should eventually increase service on the 7 beyond compensating for the extension. |
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Posted by Randyo on Tue Apr 27 01:25:50 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by fisk ave jim on Mon Apr 26 18:39:11 2010. True, but they did. |
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Posted by Randyo on Tue Apr 27 01:27:44 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Mon Apr 26 21:36:46 2010. The problem is with all the talk about the strip maps, the R-142s are not 100% interchangeable between the 2 and 5. |
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Posted by Randyo on Tue Apr 27 01:29:34 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Mon Apr 26 21:49:32 2010. But the 4's south terminals vary between Bwl Grn, Utica and N/Lts. |
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Posted by 9 local on Tue Apr 27 01:30:46 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Randyo on Mon Apr 26 17:19:04 2010. Trains come down from Pelham and Parkchester in order and go back up in the same order. The <> and () on the Flushing cars can be used to full advantage on the Lexington/Pelham Line. |
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Posted by 9 local on Tue Apr 27 01:32:48 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Randyo on Mon Apr 26 17:22:56 2010. And R-151, which seems to have regenerated as R-188. |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Tue Apr 27 01:32:52 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Randyo on Tue Apr 27 01:27:44 2010. A FIND system could solve it. |
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Posted by Randyo on Tue Apr 27 01:33:35 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by R42 4787 on Tue Apr 27 01:32:52 2010. IAWTP! |
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Posted by 9 local on Tue Apr 27 01:35:23 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Randyo on Tue Apr 27 01:27:44 2010. Like that stops anyone. I've seen a lot of 5 cars on the 2 and vice versa over the years. I think all NTTs should be upgraded to FIND so that they can run anywhere, with the R143s being last, since they are all-but restricted to the Larry. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Apr 27 01:53:55 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by 9 local on Tue Apr 27 01:35:23 2010. As I said, they really don't serve those two lines as much if you ride them often. And if the conversion to FIND is not expensive, then yes implement them on the R142s on the 2/5 first. |
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Posted by Thunderbolt on Tue Apr 27 02:22:43 2010, in response to R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Gold_12th on Sun Apr 25 14:31:24 2010. Oooooh, exciting |
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Posted by Tony Clifton on Tue Apr 27 05:30:49 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by The Flxible Neofan on Mon Apr 26 13:10:20 2010. An R-179 order number still exists. Have patience. |
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Posted by R32_3672 on Tue Apr 27 12:34:58 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Tony Clifton on Tue Apr 27 05:30:49 2010. the R179 contract is not going to be awarded till "October" of this year. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Apr 27 12:51:46 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Randyo on Tue Apr 27 01:25:50 2010. And in doing so, they forego some technical and operational improvements. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Tue Apr 27 13:26:18 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Randyo on Tue Apr 27 01:29:34 2010. The 3's terminals vary between New Lots and Times Square. Some 1 trains terminate at 137th Street. And don't forget the occasional G.O. that requires either the 1 or the 3 to end at 14th Street. Yet no one seems to be suggesting the 1 or 3 get R142s. Why should the 4 be any different?By the way, one more reason not to put the 7's R62As on the 2: the LED circle/diamond signs. They work on the 7 because the side rollsigns are set on the 7 in the diamond. That 7 is in a smaller print size than the 7 in the circle, so you can see the 7 peaking through. However, there is no diamond-2, so you will not be able to see the 2 clearly with the LED display surrounding it. |
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Posted by Randyo on Tue Apr 27 13:35:11 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Apr 27 12:51:46 2010. Not really. In some cases compatibility may be better for a more efficient operation. In any event, If the MTA issues certain specs, the any car manufacturer should be able to meet them. What seems to be lacking in this country, and possibly in the world, today is a sense of OBLIGATION. If companies and even individuals were made to realize that their very survival is contingent on meeting all imposed standards then we would all be better off. |
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Posted by Randyo on Tue Apr 27 13:36:46 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Tue Apr 27 13:26:18 2010. Then disable the LED. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Tue Apr 27 13:37:17 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Edwards! on Mon Apr 26 05:26:02 2010. 2 and 5 line crews won't be happy. Not with both lines having two different types of cars. |
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Posted by Randyo on Tue Apr 27 13:38:31 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by R32_3672 on Tue Apr 27 12:34:58 2010. It may not be awarded at all. Back in the 1970s when I was in the schedule office, the new IRT car order was supposed to be R-55. By the time it was awarded the number was up to R-62. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Tue Apr 27 13:39:27 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by 9 local on Mon Apr 26 02:08:51 2010. Exactly. Those LED signs would have to be removed in order for the 2 to be clearly displayed. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Tue Apr 27 13:43:47 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Randyo on Tue Apr 27 13:36:46 2010. It would have to be removed. Is it worth it for the MTA to remove LED displays from 350+ cars on top of a three-way fleet swap? |
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Posted by Randyo on Tue Apr 27 13:50:55 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Tue Apr 27 13:37:17 2010. Think back to the days of the Manhattan el when M/M had to have 2 brake handles one each for gate and MUDCs and another plus an electric brake key for the composites. Then around 1950, when the Qs were replacing the composites, they had to carry 3 brake handles, a reverser, an electric brake key and a controller handle for the Qs. When the SMEEs were being introduced, the mainline crews needed a brake handle, 2 reversers, an electric brake key and a cutting key. BMT M/M who worked lines that used both subway and elevated equipment like Myrtle and Fulton needed 2 brake handles, a reverser, brake plug and an elevated (BU, Q) controller handle. It's all part of the job. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Tue Apr 27 13:57:02 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Randyo on Tue Apr 27 13:50:55 2010. But it's not necessary to do that with the 2 and 5 lines at Flatbush. Why then did they decide to assign the part-time W an all R160 fleet while the full-time Q still runs older R68s? |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Apr 27 14:07:15 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Randyo on Tue Apr 27 13:35:11 2010. What's lacking is railcar manufacturers. There are NO passenger railcar builders in the US. How many companies have built subway cars for NYC in the last 35 years? (Alstom (itself and in joint venture), Bombardier, and Kawasaki), and of those, only one comes back again and again for each order.Kawasaki has a record of success in building mass transit cars for the US market that's really unmatched. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Apr 27 14:16:25 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by aem7ac on Sun Apr 25 15:25:20 2010. Kawasaki's US operations is not really about making profits. It's more like an advertisement to sell elsewhere and a bunch of execs getting more to put on their résumés. At least, it started that way with the PA-4 and I don't think the practice has changed.It's a company that lost the R160 bid to Alstom yet decided to become a subcontractor to Alstom's lower bid. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Apr 27 14:18:40 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by 7th Avenue Express on Sun Apr 25 17:50:11 2010. But the 2 and 5 have to share equipment. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Tue Apr 27 14:19:50 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Randyo on Mon Apr 26 17:19:04 2010. How so? It seems to me Flatbush and Ditmars are much more similar to each other than either of them is to BB. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Apr 27 14:39:45 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Apr 27 14:18:40 2010. Again, they don't HAVE to share, they CAN share. The electronic strip maps currently installed in the cars would need to be changed for a train that was a 5 today to be a 2 tomorrow. They share yards, and a maintenance facility at this point. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Apr 27 15:18:52 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Tue Apr 27 13:43:47 2010. No..they wouldn't.They will be fine left alone. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Apr 27 15:47:25 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Apr 27 14:39:45 2010. But many a trains arriving around the end of rush at Flatbush as a 5 train gets turn back as a 2 train and vice versa. Of course, the strip map would turned off on those trains. |
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Posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Tue Apr 27 18:02:33 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Edwards! on Tue Apr 27 15:18:52 2010. Corona is in charge of the LEDs. When the R-62As go to the 6 the LEDs are coming out. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Apr 27 19:10:50 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Tue Apr 27 18:02:33 2010. That would be pointless. They are part of the same MTA umbrella. If it matters that much that Corona yard must be compensated for those LEDs, then take it out of Westchester yard's budget. |
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Posted by Tony Clifton on Tue Apr 27 20:12:56 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Apr 27 14:39:45 2010. >>They share...a maintenance facility at this point.<<No they don't. |
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Posted by ebtmikado on Tue Apr 27 20:23:58 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Tony Clifton on Tue Apr 27 20:12:56 2010. יש לך פין קטן |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Apr 27 20:30:25 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by ebtmikado on Tue Apr 27 20:23:58 2010. Lol |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Apr 28 12:45:32 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Tony Clifton on Tue Apr 27 20:12:56 2010. So, the E180 street shop and yard, is not shared by the 2 and 5 lines, with their identical cars? The shop that was rebuilt specifically for the NTT cars that would be used on those lines? OK. |
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Posted by Randyo on Wed Apr 28 12:59:13 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Apr 28 12:45:32 2010. E180 Barn maintains primarily the #5 fleet while the #2 fleet is primarily maintained by 239 Barn. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Apr 28 12:59:53 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Apr 28 12:45:32 2010. Actually Hank yes East 180 yard and barn service and store R142s from 6686-7070 (I could be off a unit). Now in unionport yard there have been R142 number 2 types (6301-6685) stored there because of road conditions. Now 239 yard barn services usually the number 2 type R142s I just mentioned. The yard however stores both types due to 5 service starting and ending @ Nereid Ave. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Apr 28 13:17:06 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Tue Apr 27 18:02:33 2010. How do you know?Also, would Corona's people really want to spend unnecessary time, money and effort to remove the LED displays? What will they then do with them if they take them out? Those LEDs will be useless once the 7 gets NTTs. |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Apr 28 13:18:45 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Apr 28 12:45:32 2010. 2 is based out of 2395 is based out of E180 |
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Posted by Tony Clifton on Wed Apr 28 13:19:40 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Apr 28 12:45:32 2010. >>the E180 street shop and yard, is not shared by the 2 and 5 lines, with their identical cars?<<You said "maintenance facility". E180 = 5 239 = 2 This is what happens when you assume and then post as fact instead of making clear that you are only guessing and asking for confirmation/correction. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Apr 28 13:24:46 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Apr 27 15:47:25 2010. Exactly and that's why it's ridiculous to put R62As on the 2 while keeping R142s on the 5. Either they should both get 62s, run a mix of 62s and 142s or stay the way they are. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Apr 28 15:11:03 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Randyo on Wed Apr 28 12:59:13 2010. I was under the impression from posts here about the capital project on the barn at E180, that it was being rebuilt specifically for those lines. I don't recall reading about similar upgrades at 239. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Apr 29 00:10:50 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Railman718 on Wed Apr 28 12:59:53 2010. IIRC, R142A came first and most of its tests were based at E180. I remember Kawasaki and its suppliers people stationed at E180 at the time. Bomb's R142 came later and used the same facilities although a bit altered. The R142A eventually ended up in service on the Pelham line later on.So unless they removed something since then, E180 should be able to service both too. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Apr 29 00:19:53 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Railman718 on Wed Apr 28 12:59:53 2010. Oh shit... You were talking about the two R142, meaning for the 2 and 5. And I thought it was about the R142 and R142A by your saying "two types". |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Apr 29 13:15:47 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by Randyo on Sun Apr 25 18:21:37 2010. Unless they do corner cabs, maybe. |
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Posted by Randyo on Thu Apr 29 13:50:07 2010, in response to Re: R188 order goes to. . ., posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Apr 29 13:15:47 2010. Since the intent of this order is to make the cars CBTC ready that is highly doubtful. |
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