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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Fri Mar 5 00:33:20 2010, in response to Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by SilverFox on Thu Mar 4 23:53:34 2010. If I had the cojones and little felon's guilt, I'd go for the refund of about $225.00 which doesn't grow on trees these days. Unfortunately, the real threat of the MTA swinging their legal dicks with arguments like "An unpunched railroad ticket is like an uncancelled stamp in that it is illegal to be reused or refunded" keeps this criminally clean person honest. After all, what excuses can be given for asking for a refund of a monthly ticket or weekly ticket after the month or week is over?For a pass with a clearly defined period of validity, I'd be highly surprised if they give you a refund after the pass expires. Because of this, they probably don't care as much about punching the monthly/weekly passes because, well, they already have your money. Strange that the conductors aren't being efficient with standard ticket collection, though. |
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Posted by R40SlantontheB on Fri Mar 5 00:39:13 2010, in response to Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by SilverFox on Thu Mar 4 23:53:34 2010. As someone who often has to change trains in Hicksville to go to Westbury from Ronkonkoma, often my ticket is not punched on the short train ride from Hicksville to Westbury.The question is this, a ticket is punched twice, once on the Ronk train, and then punched and ripped on the 2nd (these are off peak one way tickets). So the question is, can a ticket that wasn't "punched" on the 2nd train be used on another day for the ride between Hicksville and Westbury. More or less I am asking can a one way ticket used for part of a trip be used on another day since it wasnt collected on the 2nd train? |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 5 02:35:09 2010, in response to Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by SilverFox on Thu Mar 4 23:53:34 2010. The Japanese seem to have done a decent job with that, they have PATCO-style ticket collection for commuter railroads (you need a ticket of appropriate distance to both enter and exit). Many stations are at grade and/or have railroad crossings adjacent to them, very easy for someone to cheat, but since you need the ticket to exit as well, you would have to cheat twice.You could take it a step further here and have the turnstiles "validate" the ticket by printing something on it, and have steep fines for an invalid ticket. Kinda like PoP but three things have to go right for someone to get away with it (get around source turnstile, not get caught without a ticket, get around destination turnstile). Another idea I posted a while ago with a video of on-board verification of seating, where a "ticket" (nothing more than a few bits of data) can be loaded onto a smart card and is used when waved in front of an at-seat reader. An amber light changes to green to indicate that the seat is supposed to be occupied, and is set back to amber once the target station has been reached. A conductor would simply need to check for people sitting under amber lights (which would replace seat checks, saving even more money), rather than actually look at the tickets. |
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Posted by arnine on Fri Mar 5 05:27:42 2010, in response to Re: Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 5 02:35:09 2010. Interesting but what happens if you need to use the bathroom? Or, decide u wanna change seats?What I can see here is someone gets up to use the potty and comes back to find someone in their seat. I see it now on MNR. |
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Posted by arnine on Fri Mar 5 05:29:03 2010, in response to Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by SilverFox on Thu Mar 4 23:53:34 2010. Which RR? You won't be getting anyone in trouble by telling us which RR, I am curious as I suspect it is the LIRR based on my own experiences (have rode unpunched a lot from Forest Hills & NYP and don't try and reuse the ticket BTW) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 5 07:56:39 2010, in response to Re: Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by R40SlantontheB on Fri Mar 5 00:39:13 2010. Technically yes. But on a peak train, there is such a small amount of people that don't have monthlies riding just between "Hicksville and Westbury", that I am sure they don't care. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 5 07:58:59 2010, in response to Re: Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by arnine on Fri Mar 5 05:29:03 2010. That's funny, as I didn't even think about it until you mentioned it, and just assumed he meant LIRR. Metro North is set up totally different, and is a little bit less mayhem of people not staying on the train they originally got on. The LIRR is WAY more complex because of the Jamaica Shuffle, and so many lines converging, merging and going to different places. |
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Posted by Charles G on Fri Mar 5 08:40:15 2010, in response to Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by SilverFox on Thu Mar 4 23:53:34 2010. I mentioned recently in another thread that the LIRR would do itself a great service (financially, at least) by moving to a POP system and eliminating on-board fare collection/inspection.Combined with a system of fare inspectors operating on a commission basis (with appropriate limits and oversight) they would save considerably on their labor costs and increase the percentage of fares actually collected. |
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Posted by arnine on Fri Mar 5 08:45:12 2010, in response to Re: Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 5 07:58:59 2010. Yes that is true |
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Posted by Fytton on Fri Mar 5 10:30:41 2010, in response to Re: Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 5 02:35:09 2010. 'You could take it a step further here and have the turnstiles "validate" the ticket by printing something on it'That happens on many continental European systems, Holland and Germany for example - you buy a ticket from a booth or a machine, but you have to 'clunk' it in a validator machine either on the platform or on the vehicle, which stamps the time and date on it. If a ticket inspector boards and you have not validated your ticket, you face a fine. With smart-card systems like London's Oyster, no printing on the ticket is necessary - the roving inspectors carry portable Oyster readers which can detect where and when you have used your card |
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Posted by SilverFox on Fri Mar 5 23:43:41 2010, in response to Re: Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by arnine on Fri Mar 5 05:29:03 2010. It is the LIRR. To me, "The Railroad" is the LIRR, and Metro North is Metro North. Not to pull a Weinberg, but I did mention ". . . from my home station westbound . . ." in my original post, and that could have subliminally pointed you toward thinking LIRR. |
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Posted by SilverFox on Fri Mar 5 23:47:15 2010, in response to Re: Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by Fytton on Fri Mar 5 10:30:41 2010. Here's the $64,000.00 question: Will the conductors bother to check the validation time and date on potentially thousands of tickets per day? As it is, I can outline several ways in which the conductors are quite slipshod -- part out of indifference, and part out of having climbed that sandhill too many times for them to care anymore; in other words, indifference. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Mar 6 00:25:01 2010, in response to Re: Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by arnine on Fri Mar 5 05:27:42 2010. Both problems could be solved with a way to "put it back on the card". It could be made such that if the same card is tapped at the indicator, it goes back to amber, and they may then tap again at any one seat on the same exact train (the card could store the train number on it, or the computer in the car could maintain a list of allowed cards to re-tap). Careful programming would be needed to prevent abuse, or accidental double-deductions from ten-trips, but it is doable.As far as going to the bathroom and finding your seat stolen (after forgetting to un-tap your card), you could un-tap it then and there and sit somewhere else. Unlike just grabbing the seat check, you literally hold the cards in proving that seat was yours. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Mar 6 01:07:11 2010, in response to Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by SilverFox on Thu Mar 4 23:53:34 2010. Um...Since when do conductors ever punch monthlies? Isn't it much more... ...oh, right, SilverFox. Proceeding to not take too seriously post. Although for the record, I managed to add an Amtrak ticket to my unpunched collection. I would have thought that would be less likely. I might have ended up with a second if I didn't specifically hand it to the conductor. That one sort of fell through the cracks of Amtrak's ticket collection scheme, though. I can't quite blame them for missing it, but it would have been funny to have made it from Denver to Emeryville without getting my ticket taken. That'd beat Scarborough to Marble Hill by a long shot! :D 
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Posted by Streetcarman1 on Sat Mar 6 02:43:21 2010, in response to Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by SilverFox on Thu Mar 4 23:53:34 2010. Silverfox...I have to agree with you on this....I very much fault the MTA for bad fare collection practices....the conductors try to do their jobs to the best of their abilities...but sometimes it is not alway possible because of they might short-staffed on a train or the train is so packed that it's impossible to collect the tickets.....I see alot of customers get on the train and jump right off after only 2 or 3 stops and no one knows if they had a ticket or not....again,...I do not fault any of the train crew...I fault the MTA |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Mar 6 07:21:30 2010, in response to Re: Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by Nilet on Sat Mar 6 01:07:11 2010. I once had an Amtrak ticket go un-collected. There were severe delays, and they simply didn't collect them from anyone. It was unreserved so I didn't even have to do anything shady like ask for a refund to use it again.Amtrak actually got more money out of me than they would have otherwise had they actually collected it, too, since I decided to use it the very next weekend, and of course I still had to pay to get there... I wonder if that is actually the wisdom behind things like those courtesy vouchers and whatnot, you get "store credit" on half a trip, you still have to pay the other half, and thus you have to ride again and are likely to have a better experience to erase the sour one... |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Mar 6 08:19:58 2010, in response to Re: Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by SilverFox on Fri Mar 5 23:43:41 2010. Sorry I tend not to think of directions that way so the subliminal msg didn't get through.I have to agree that the LIRR does leave a good amount of tickets unpunched. I travel every so often bet. Forest Hills & NYP and most if the time towards LI they hardly ever come to get it. Also, they are better in collecting towards NYP but still get unpunched tickets then too. |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Mar 6 08:23:05 2010, in response to Re: Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Mar 6 00:25:01 2010. Yes that can work :-) |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Mar 6 08:42:58 2010, in response to Re: Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by R40SlantontheB on Fri Mar 5 00:39:13 2010. I don't know about the LIRR, but at NJT, a ticket that requires a transfer or multiple transfers is supposed to be cancelled by the trainman on the last train of the journey, regardless of whether the ticket was punched previously or actually used previously. For example, if you had a ticket from NY Penn to Westfield (which requires a transfer in Newark), and they either never came through to punch the ticket between NY & Newark, or you decided to take PATH to Newark instead, the ticket must be cancelled anyway on the Newark to Westfield train. It's considered a "continuous trip" ticket, and it's supposed to be no good after the final leg of the journey. If you decided to take PATH or somebody drove you to Newark, that was your choice... |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Mar 6 08:49:41 2010, in response to Re: Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by Streetcarman1 on Sat Mar 6 02:43:21 2010. Yes and no.I am sorry but as one who gets quite a bit of LIRR tickets, and it is not an MTA issue but rather lazy crews who do not want to walk.I ride often between Forest Hills & NYP and the majority of times they don't come thru bet NYP & Jamaica giving those who ride bet. a free ride. They do come thru more often bet Jamaica & NYP but that is till lax as I still don't get checked all the time. One time I got a free ride bet. Jamaica & Woodmere, but the train was 45mins late and think the crew was just giving a free ride due to the delay. I don't reuse tickets tho even if it is unpunched. I just either put it into my collection or get rid of them. On MNR (who I work for) I c it happen too but it is far and few in between |
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Posted by Streetcarman1 on Sat Mar 6 10:17:48 2010, in response to Re: Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by arnine on Sat Mar 6 08:49:41 2010. I wanted to give the benefit of the doubt that the crews are not lazy and just that they might be just short staffed at the time. There needs to be a better system in place to really collect the fare. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Mar 6 10:21:37 2010, in response to Re: Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Mar 6 07:21:30 2010. Unreserved?No Denver to Emeryville uncollected ticket for you! Still, that you reused it makes it more impressive. I handed my DEN - EMY ticket to the conductor myself (he was surprised to take it!) and my uncollected TAC - SEA ticket was booked under a pass and had no face value to refund. :( |
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Posted by Streetcarman1 on Sat Mar 6 10:22:04 2010, in response to Re: Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 5 07:58:59 2010. "The LIRR is WAY more complex because of the Jamaica Shuffle, and so many lines converging, merging and going to different places. "I totally disagree......I am on the Port Washington line...we have the issue here as well..people get on in mid Queens and get off by Flushing....9 times outa 10....they don't walk the cars until after Flushing most of the times...The Port line does not change at Jamaica at all.... |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Mar 6 11:14:03 2010, in response to Re: Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Mar 6 08:42:58 2010. "a ticket that requires a transfer or multiple transfers is supposed to be cancelled by the trainman on the last train of the journey, regardless of whether the ticket was punched previously or actually used previously."Same policy exists here on MNR. Funny thing is how there are people who think that just because a transfer ticket (i.e. GCT to Waterbury, with transfer at Bridgeport, 125th Street to Bethel, transfer at South Norwalk, etc.), was punched once on the first train, and not punched on the second train, they think that it is still good for a partial ride again later, when sad to say after the day it is used, long as it is punched it is no good!! If it is punched once on the day of travel and not punched on the transfer train on the day of travel, as long as it is punched and on the day of travel, it is NO LONGER any good, and is regarded as a used and cancelled ticket. Anything people can do to try and get over, they continually try to do, and the sad part is there are those conductors and trainmen that allow it, making people think just because one allowed it, we all will allow it, which sadly is not the case. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Mar 6 11:15:20 2010, in response to Re: Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Mar 6 08:42:58 2010. BTW, much fun meeting up with you yesterday, good buddy!! Glad to see you NJT guys have equally as much fun as we here on the east side of the Hudson do.....difference is you get nicer equipment!! :-D |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Mar 6 13:02:11 2010, in response to Re: Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by Streetcarman1 on Sat Mar 6 10:17:48 2010. I understand, but in my experience the LIRR crews tend to be lazy. I have not seen short-staffed trains. I am sure it does happen occasionally, but not the times I have experienced unpunched tickets. What I have noticed is the crews tend to be chatty and congregate in the rear talking.Now, yes I'd agree there can be a better system. MNR went the right direction with the TIMs but they aren't any good IMHO as they make the transaction take longer, and are causing fertility issues among the crews. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Mar 6 14:33:42 2010, in response to Re: Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Mar 6 11:15:20 2010. Glad you had fun, Paul...I still say your opinion will change after actually working those things for an extended period of time... :-) |
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Posted by fisk ave jim on Sat Mar 6 17:35:22 2010, in response to Re: Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by arnine on Sat Mar 6 13:02:11 2010. I've heard that fertility issue brought up about the TIMs. So far, nothing has been documented, as in no kids bein born with 3 eyes or there first words bein "tickets please" :) |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Mar 6 18:30:31 2010, in response to Re: Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by fisk ave jim on Sat Mar 6 17:35:22 2010. Supposedly there is a miscarriage associated with it. There is a lawsuit over it too. |
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Posted by fisk ave jim on Sat Mar 6 18:41:30 2010, in response to Re: Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by arnine on Sat Mar 6 18:30:31 2010. I heard about that. MNR's attitude is that it would have happened anyway, regardless of the TIM's. But whatever the reason, truly a sad situation that should never happen to anyone. Heck Im a few weeks from becomming a grandfather.Field day for the lawyers btw. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Mar 6 18:54:59 2010, in response to Re: Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Mar 6 14:33:42 2010. Bring 'em on!! :-D |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Mar 6 18:55:18 2010, in response to Re: Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by fisk ave jim on Sat Mar 6 18:41:30 2010. Yes it is sad. But, I do believe it can be the TIMs. They use waves, etc also most crews wear it on the belt right by the reproductive areas on both men & women. I think they also are a waste they take longer to issue a receipt, and the printers sometimes don't work anyways.IMHP either go back to duplexes or get a handheld thing that is all in one that can be worn around the neck like Greyline Tours have. They have a printer unit built in, and hell they even take credit cards. Beauty is it is all in one unit too not this two device garbage MNR has. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Mar 6 19:04:09 2010, in response to Re: Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Mar 6 14:33:42 2010. You seemed to be fare....(oops).... "fair"ing just fine yesterday!! You move a lot faster than a lot of the new guys here!! :-D |
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Posted by fisk ave jim on Sat Mar 6 19:10:04 2010, in response to Re: Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by arnine on Sat Mar 6 18:55:18 2010. They will never go back to the duplexes, that is a sure thing. Something about "progress"Secondly, since the customer is gettin hit over the head with onboard service charges, most folk are using the TVM's or ticket offices,(the ones still open btw) to keep them from buying a ticket on the train & save substantial $$$, something important nowadays. Finally, the onboard ticket producing process is very time connsuming & akward, etc. But having what Greyline has cost too much. Seems Greyline makes more $$$ that MNR & since we at MNR are on the dole of the taxpayer, were stuck with the hand-held "garbage" |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Mar 6 19:38:12 2010, in response to Re: Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by fisk ave jim on Sat Mar 6 18:41:30 2010. Oh, I definitely know a few who will receive a buzz from me should something go amiss!! The good sides of being cool with the passengers!! ;-) |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Mar 6 20:07:27 2010, in response to Re: Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by fisk ave jim on Sat Mar 6 19:10:04 2010. Yes, but they need to condider the effects of the TIMs on the crews. I hope the female c/r wins and hope that the press gets a hold of it |
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Posted by fisk ave jim on Sat Mar 6 20:37:25 2010, in response to Re: Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by arnine on Sat Mar 6 20:07:27 2010. If she wins, wonderful...but really, so what..?? It will not replace the child & the mother will have to go thru a long & painful court process which might be appealed to the Supreme Court without any guarantees.BTW, if the train crews are so worried about unneccessary radiation, I suggest they toss their cell fones. What part of the body are they held against?? |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Mar 6 20:41:54 2010, in response to Re: Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by fisk ave jim on Sat Mar 6 20:37:25 2010. True. That I can see.Good point about the radiation and cell phones, but wonder if the TIMs waves are stronger? IDK just think they are a bad idea and this kind of convinced me it was bad, but maybe not as bad as I think. But, am glad I'm not carrying one. True the phones are held in the same area generally, hell mine is always in my pants pocket so yeah have ta think of that. |
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Posted by Streetcarman1 on Sat Mar 6 20:42:05 2010, in response to Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by SilverFox on Thu Mar 4 23:53:34 2010. Well..lets look at the punch-ticket...if you ask me...in the age of technolgy....this process is rather out-dated at best. What is needed is a system where a bar-code is printed on the ticket with the pretenent data and then the conductor would carry a device that would read the bar code and then record it and make the ticket invalid so that it can no longer be used.... |
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Posted by R40SlantontheB on Sat Mar 6 21:43:24 2010, in response to Re: Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Mar 6 11:14:03 2010. Odd that MNR would have a different ticket policy than LIRR. Also, if one gets a weekly ticket it has to be used that week, right?Only 10 trips can be used anytime, right? |
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Posted by R40SlantontheB on Sat Mar 6 21:44:42 2010, in response to Re: Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Mar 6 00:25:01 2010. What about standees? |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Mar 6 22:32:47 2010, in response to Re: Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Mar 6 19:04:09 2010. Thanks...my anti-inflammatory medication was working...too bad it will probably result in bleeding ulcers in a few years... :-( |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Mar 7 00:17:01 2010, in response to Re: Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by arnine on Sat Mar 6 13:02:11 2010. For those of us who are not up to acronims, what is a TIM? |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Mar 7 01:08:40 2010, in response to Re: Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by R40SlantontheB on Sat Mar 6 21:44:42 2010. Hmm... run more trains with the extra money collected :).I can't come up with anything good, honestly. -Making "slots" for standees (like 8 per doorway, + 2 for the end doors, 34 total) could run out on extremely popular trains. -A reader that prints out seat checks doesn't work either if a standee decides to sit, without unnecessarily complicating the at seat interface with ways to turn a seat check into a green light, or a return to making the conductor walk the train looking at tiny sheets of paper. The best I can come up with is a free ride for standees beyond the slots available in option 1 above. If every car on the train has more than 34 standees for someone's entire journey, they probably deserve a free ride anyway. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Mar 7 01:35:58 2010, in response to Re: Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Mar 6 08:42:58 2010. I was actually wondering about that actually...Until 2001 or so NJT's tickets worked differently. You got a separate ticket for each leg of the journey. If you did it from a TVM they would even be attached and perforated so you could separate them as needed. So, if you bought a one way from NYP to Westfield, you would get one that said: NYP NYP *** NWK *** ---------------- *** NWK *** Westfield You could detach them at the perforations and use either section whenever you wanted. Because of this, I *always* bought tickets with the origin code of Hoboken whenever I was doing anything from Newark. It cost exactly the same and I got a neat collection of free Hoboken-Newark tickets I would use whenever the opportunity presented itself. |
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Posted by SilverFox on Sun Mar 7 03:13:21 2010, in response to Re: Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by Nilet on Sat Mar 6 01:07:11 2010. Since when do conductors ever punch monthlies? Actually, they DO punch monthlies at the beginning of every month, and then on certain days thereafter the conductor comes through the door and announces "All tickets please. Today is ticket punching day." There are provisions for punches on the face of the ticket in the small holographic area that says "M 1 2 3 4 F" at the center right of the ticket. Part of the reason for punching the monthly ticket is because, in theory, it is non-transferable, and the conductor must, at least, punch the gender of the initial user to prevent half the population from borrowing the ticket going forward. ...oh, right, SilverFox. Proceeding to not take too seriously post. Do so at your own peril. Every so often I do slip a serious one in the mix. |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Mar 7 08:23:06 2010, in response to Re: Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Mar 6 22:32:47 2010. Don't worry too much, I've been on anti-inflammatory meds for years and no bleeding ulcers, just be careful |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Mar 7 08:24:56 2010, in response to Re: Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Mar 7 00:17:01 2010. Ticket Issuing Machine it is what MNR crews are now using instead of the old paper duplexes |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Mar 7 08:25:56 2010, in response to Re: Unpunched Railroad Tickets, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Mar 6 22:32:47 2010. Be careful, bro!! You got MANY YEARS left to enjoy the MLVs!! :-) |
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