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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Feb 7 09:33:54 2010 In a repeat of Saturday, Amtrak cuts many of its Sunday runs along the Eastern Seaboard.Northbound Northeast Regionals Train 150 is canceled Washington to New York. Train 162 is canceled Washington to New York Train 194 is canceled Newport News to Washington Train 156 is canceled Washington to New York Train 152 is canceled Washington to New York. Train 126 is canceled Washington to New York Train 66 is canceled Newport News to Washington Train 158 is canceled Washington to New York. Train 154 is canceled to Washington to New York Train 88 is canceled south of Washington Southbound Southeast Regionals Train 67 is canceled Washington to Newport News Train 131 is canceled New York to Washington Train 195 is canceled Washington to Richmond Train 157 is canceled New York to Washington Train 87 is canceled Washington to Richmond Train 159 is canceled New York to Washington Train 123 is canceled New York to Washington Train 155 is canceled New York to Washington Train 161 is canceled Boston to New York Train 145 is canceled New York to Lynchburg Train 99 will terminate at Washington Acela Express Service: Northbound 2250, 2208, 2212, 2256, 2222 and 2228 are canceled between Washington and New York Acela Express Service: Southbound 2211,2221,2225 and 2259 are canceled between New York and Washington. Other Service Silver Service trains 97 and 98, operating between New York and Miami are canceled with no alternate transportation. Trains 91 and 92 will operate between Miami and Savannah only. Keystone Service train 660 will terminate in Philadelphia and is canceled between New York and Philadelphia and trains 664 and 661 are canceled in its entirety. Crescent trains 19 and 20, which operates between New York and New Orleans, are canceled with no alternate transportation. The Auto Train is canceled in its entirety between Lorton, VA and Sanford, FL. Capitol Limited trains 29 and 30, operating between Washington and Chicago is canceled with no alternate transportation. The Cardinal Service, Train 51, will operate between Huntington, West Virginia and Chicago only. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Feb 7 10:08:13 2010, in response to Amtrak cancelations for Sunday 7th, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Feb 7 09:33:54 2010. Ouch!!!! That's a rough set of cancellations!! |
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Posted by hhp664 on Sun Feb 7 11:10:25 2010, in response to Amtrak cancelations for Sunday 7th, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Feb 7 09:33:54 2010. Damn but they didn't cancel my train 160 and i couldn't get out of my 30 inches of snow to work it. Oh well wish we had some personel days to make up for this money loss. the life of a railroad man. LOL |
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Posted by Dave on Sun Feb 7 12:04:52 2010, in response to Amtrak cancelations for Sunday 7th, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Feb 7 09:33:54 2010. Turn the clock back 50 years to 1960 - Did the PRR, C&O, B&O and NYC cancel this many trains when there was heavy snows? |
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Posted by Alan Follett on Sun Feb 7 12:40:28 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak cancelations for Sunday 7th, posted by Dave on Sun Feb 7 12:04:52 2010. Nope, weather-related cancellations were pretty rare in those days. Railroads promoted themselves as all-weather transportation. In the late Fifties, when a particularly wet, heavy snow did shut down the NEC due to clogged air intake filters on the GG-1 fleet, it was considered unusual enough that Pennsy officials were called before Congress to explain what went wrong.. Of course, at that time the railroads had a lot more track workers on their payroll, who could be turned loose with shovels. Alan Follett Hercules, CA |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Feb 7 13:01:42 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak cancelations for Sunday 7th, posted by Alan Follett on Sun Feb 7 12:40:28 2010. A private enterprise has to fight for customers. A government run monopoly can tell it's customers to go to Hell and not worry about funding.
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 7 13:03:46 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak cancelations for Sunday 7th, posted by Alan Follett on Sun Feb 7 12:40:28 2010. Exchange Place was still open, so they could have operated steam or diesel. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 7 13:07:33 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak cancelations for Sunday 7th, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Feb 7 13:01:42 2010. Didn't work in Britain. Now the government worries about the infrastructure again, and there's a mishmash of domestic and foreign companies running the rails still.And it's funny how a road is depicted there. Is there any way we can get the highways, waterways and airports out of the hands of big government too? |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Feb 7 13:15:11 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak cancelations for Sunday 7th, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Feb 7 13:01:42 2010. Actually, a government is ultimately answerable to the people in the next election, while a private monopoly or oligopoly (which railroads certainly were back when they were private) can tell its customers to go to hell— it's not like they have a choice! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 7 13:21:04 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak cancelations for Sunday 7th, posted by Nilet on Sun Feb 7 13:15:11 2010. Actually, you have it backwards. Customers can vote with their feet more easily with a private company than the government. What government has gotten voted in that truly improved Amtrak or the state-run commuter railroads? |
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Posted by murray1575 on Sun Feb 7 13:34:15 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak cancelations for Sunday 7th, posted by Alan Follett on Sun Feb 7 12:40:28 2010. In the steam days it took a lot of snow to shut the railroads down. Steam engines could fight their way through all but the deepest snowfalls. Also since they didn't have traction motors there was no concern about snow getting into the works and shorting them out later on. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 7 13:36:59 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak cancelations for Sunday 7th, posted by murray1575 on Sun Feb 7 13:34:15 2010. Time for SEPTA to run steam out of 30th Street's lower leve then . . . |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Feb 7 13:37:23 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak cancellations for Sunday 7th, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 7 13:07:33 2010. I know. The days of privately run passenger rail are over. I was just making a general observation about privately run vs. publically run entities. I seem to remember some controversy about the government nationalizing another major industry in the last year. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Feb 7 14:15:20 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak cancelations for Sunday 7th, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 7 13:21:04 2010. Yes, vote with their feet and walk from New York to DC because the railroad has a monopoly!While we have had some significant problems in getting Amtrak reasonably funded, this is more due to the fact that government in this country is largely unaccountable to the voters, a fact not helped by anti-democratic and authoritarian persons such as yourself. |
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Posted by Pablo M 201 on Sun Feb 7 14:52:24 2010, in response to Amtrak cancelations for Sunday 7th, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Feb 7 09:33:54 2010. Gee, thats explains the dead action down here in New Brunswick. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Feb 7 15:09:34 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak cancelations for Sunday 7th, posted by Nilet on Sun Feb 7 14:15:20 2010. While we have had some significant problems in getting Amtrak reasonably funded, this is more due to the fact that government in this country is largely unaccountable to the votersReally? Judging by the sentiment when the high speed rail funds were disbursed, I'd argue that there's a sizable portion of Americans who have contempt for rail and public transport, and view its development and use as un-American and a waste of taxpayer dollars. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Feb 7 15:15:01 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak cancelations for Sunday 7th, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 7 13:21:04 2010. What government has gotten voted in that truly improved Amtrak or the state-run commuter railroads?Olag Bait: Then why are the European and Japanese railways better run with their state-owned management? And BTW, the Comet Vs are certainly better than riding on an MP-54... |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Feb 7 16:08:15 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak cancelations for Sunday 7th, posted by murray1575 on Sun Feb 7 13:34:15 2010. Steam engines lose a significant amount of their thermal efficiency in cold weather. Both the Milwaukee and Great Northern railroads cited greater power and operating efficiency as improvements their electrifications through the Cascades (and in the case of the Milwaukee, the Rockies) created. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 7 16:19:30 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak cancelations for Sunday 7th, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Feb 7 15:15:01 2010. Then why are the European and Japanese railways better run with their state-owned management?They're not; all they are are bigger. Deutsche Bahn has expanded outside Germany looking for new revenue. JR almost collapsed under its own weight. None of those state-run railroads can run freight properly either. And BTW, the Comet Vs are certainly better than riding on an MP-54 It was the state-run railroads that kept the MP54s running. The private railroads were already looking to replace them with Silverliners and Arrows. And since we never had any MP54s that had AC added, how can we tell? (Comet Vs in the beginning were in worse shape than an old MP54; besides, the one to compare with is the P54.) My question still stands unanswered. And I like Amtrak. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Feb 7 16:21:22 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak cancelations for Sunday 7th, posted by murray1575 on Sun Feb 7 13:34:15 2010.  Happy? your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 7 16:27:15 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak cancelations for Sunday 7th, posted by Nilet on Sun Feb 7 14:15:20 2010. Yes, vote with their feet and walk from New York to DC because the railroad has a monopolyPRR had a monopoly when the B&O pulled out of CRRNJ Terminal. What do you mean? While we have had some significant problems in getting Amtrak reasonably funded, this is more due to the fact that government in this country is largely unaccountable to the voters, a fact not helped by anti-democratic and authoritarian persons such as yourself Me antidemocratic? The countries that have HSR are the antidemocratic and authoritarian ones; maybe you should spend some time researching them. They wouldn't have it if not for technology that Edison and Tesla developed in the USA. If you think the business lobbies are bad here, you should see how they operate in those countries; and as for unaccountability, it's worse over there, never mind their politicians having immunity from prosecution and there being no separation of powers. Don't mistake me for a Libertarian, now. You have no leg to stand on calling anyone "authoritarian" and "antidemocratic" after saying this load of lunacy . . . |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 7 16:28:50 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak cancelations for Sunday 7th, posted by Fred G on Sun Feb 7 16:21:22 2010. SEPTA would never run it. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 7 16:34:48 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak cancelations for Sunday 7th, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Feb 7 15:09:34 2010. I view excessive highway development as un-American, myself, or not typically American. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Feb 7 17:41:30 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak cancelations for Sunday 7th, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 7 16:27:15 2010. You're so backwards that it's almost hilarious. Feel free to come back if you're ever ready to act like a civilised human at any future point."The countries that have HSR," meaning western Europe are modern democracies with minimal authoritarian intrusion. Said countries do not have corporate corruption worse than that of the US. Governments in said countries are far more accountable than those in the US. You are an authoritarian because you believe that the government should be absolute and unquestionable. Everything in the post you linked to was true; you merely believe it is "lunacy" because of your own ignorance. All of those are simple and basic facts known to all reasonable people. When you are willing to accept them, we can have a reasonable debate. If you refuse to accept them, you necessarily acknowledge that you are being intentionally stupid and that any effort to treat you like an adult is a waste of my time. |
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Posted by Dave on Sun Feb 7 18:22:38 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak cancelations for Sunday 7th, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 7 13:03:46 2010. What Class 1 RR was still using steam on 1960? |
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Posted by Dave on Sun Feb 7 18:22:54 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak cancelations for Sunday 7th, posted by Dave on Sun Feb 7 18:22:38 2010. In 1960, not on. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Sun Feb 7 18:47:27 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak cancelations for Sunday 7th, posted by Dave on Sun Feb 7 18:22:54 2010. Not true. Read the Spring 2010 Classic Trains and there are mention of a couple of class I railroads which used steam at least occasionally until 1962. I think N&W ran its last steamers that year. I also know that GTW (a subsidiary of CNR) operated its last steam powered passenger train that year and so did CPR. Also it might be a technicality but UPRR never officially retired its last 4-8-4 #844 which is still on the roster to this day. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 7 19:09:07 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak cancelations for Sunday 7th, posted by Nilet on Sun Feb 7 17:41:30 2010. "The countries that have HSR," meaning western Europe are modern democracies with minimal authoritarian intrusionThat's a lie. The governments of France and Germany are social "democracies" and the government of the EU is a pseudodemocracy with no separation of powers (the Commission writes the bills and signs them into law). Japan has a constitutional monarchy that's highly authoritarian; all the local governments are highly dependent on the national government. Nothing "modern" about those structures; they're set up in mockery of Britain's government. The USA's government is more modern than any of them. You had better read their constitutions before you make any more assumptions. Said countries do not have corporate corruption worse than that of the US. Governments in said countries are far more accountable than those in the US. Pity you don't visit OTChat more often, because I've posted oodles of evidence to the contrary whereas you post no evidence whatsoever for your blanket statements. You are an authoritarian because you believe that the government should be absolute and unquestionable I say nothing of the sort in that link. Either you can't read or your mental state is deteriorating. OTC, you're the one that wants to live under government that's ever increasing in size and is ever more authoritarian. All of those are simple and basic facts known to all reasonable people No, they're assumptions and you can't prove them, which is why you defend them with rhetoric. Still waiting . . . and not even AEM7AC901 backs you up too far. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 7 19:22:22 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak cancelations for Sunday 7th, posted by hhp664 on Sun Feb 7 11:10:25 2010. I don't know how you RR guys deal with some of the demands put on you. It's a wonder they don't have you live on RR property or something; that wouldn't be too good for family life I'd imagine . . . |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Feb 7 19:51:50 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak cancelations for Sunday 7th, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 7 19:09:07 2010. You're clearly very curious, but this is something for the adults to deal with. Maybe when you're older you'll be able to understand. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Feb 7 20:50:18 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak cancelations for Sunday 7th, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 7 16:34:48 2010. I view excessive highway development as un-American, myself, or not typically American.I'd argue that America ended up developing a much deeper car-centric focus, but the Europeans ended up with the better maintained and somewhat better designed roads* with higher speed limits. Sadly, Germany is the only country where you can legally drive faster than the trains. *My preference as a roadgeek is for Northeast style roads with wide forested medians, then the narrow medians with Jersey barriers like on many urban expressways or some Turnpikes and European motorways, and then wide, but grassy medians. |
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Posted by WillD on Mon Feb 8 00:15:04 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak cancelations for Sunday 7th, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 7 16:19:30 2010. Deutsche Bahn has expanded outside Germany looking for new revenue. JR almost collapsed under its own weight.All that points to is the their inability to turn a profit on passenger transportation. That's something every developed nation shares. The Japanese Railroads are only profitable by creative budgeting which removes almost all capital costs from their operational budgets. The same is true of the UK's railroads. There's no way a private railroad would compete for passengers without government subsidies of some sort given the subsidies to other transport modes. None of those state-run railroads can run freight properly either. Freight railroads here in the US only compete because their cargo is not as time critical and the distance is so great that the lower cost per mile creates greater savings relative to trucks. Europe, especially within the western European nations themselves, are markets in which it is difficult to take full advantage of intermodal transit. Transloading times in intermodal yards make up a greater percentage of the trip time, and the cost differential is smaller because the distances involved are in general smaller. The private railroads were already looking to replace them with Silverliners and Arrows. But these evil state run railroads *did* replace the MP54s, and they did so for the most part within 10 years of the government takeover. Those Silverliners may have been delivered to the PRR, but they were paid for by the State of PA. Our systems are certainly more accessible, has younger rolling stock, and are in general cleaner than the companies they took over for in the 1970s and 80s. Fine, they haven't done a great job of expanding service, but at least we've reached the point where they've staunched the bleeding we saw in the middle of the last century. I had high hopes for NJT finally turning the corner toward expansion, but that's on hold for at least 4 years. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 8 19:25:06 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak cancellations for Sunday 7th, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Feb 7 13:37:23 2010. So your observation was pretty meaningless. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 8 21:09:56 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak cancelations for Sunday 7th, posted by Nilet on Sun Feb 7 19:51:50 2010. this is something for the adults to deal withGood. So step aside. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 8 21:32:29 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak cancelations for Sunday 7th, posted by Pablo M 201 on Sun Feb 7 14:52:24 2010. Wasn't this bad in '96, that I recall. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Feb 8 21:47:11 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak cancelations for Sunday 7th, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 8 21:09:56 2010. Hup! Sounds like Olog needs a juice box. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 8 22:44:07 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak cancelations for Sunday 7th, posted by Nilet on Mon Feb 8 21:47:11 2010. Would expect drug references from you . . . |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 8 22:48:15 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak cancelations for Sunday 7th, posted by WillD on Mon Feb 8 00:15:04 2010. Freight railroads here in the US only compete because their cargo is not as time critical and the distance is so great that the lower cost per mile creates greater savings relative to trucks. Europe, especially within the western European nations themselves, are markets in which it is difficult to take full advantage of intermodal transit. Transloading times in intermodal yards make up a greater percentage of the trip time, and the cost differential is smaller because the distances involved are in general smallerI dunno . . . SNCF's "Fret" runs some long trains, as do SJ and DB. Also over here, rail freight keeps losing its market share to trucks. I would have thought the UPS transcon would have gotten off the ground (so to speak), but that was stillborn. But these evil state run railroads *did* replace the MP54s, and they did so for the most part within 10 years of the government takeover Not SEPTA. Their doggedness bordered on the remarkable. Nor NJDOT; they were still running MP54s into the mid-70s. LIRR would be the one, I'd say; although they did run some on the diesel lines as the "ping-pong" cars (for how long, I forget). |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Feb 10 22:33:58 2010, in response to Amtrak cancelations for Sunday 7th, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Feb 7 09:33:54 2010. There were still a ton of cuts on the 8th, such as train 193, the ONLY train that stops in Newark, DE. Hooray for me having to take 129 to Wilmington, just to have it arrive late enough to miss the last R2 to Newark....needless to say getting back to school SUCKED. |
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