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Posted by Neil Feldman on Sun Feb 7 21:30:44 2010, in response to Re: Classic shot-R21/22 interior, posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Feb 7 16:08:44 2010. That is an R21 by looking at it. 71X4 is the car. Lights still on, so it looks like it is still in service here! |
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Posted by Neil Feldman on Sun Feb 7 21:35:11 2010, in response to Re: Classic shot-R21/22 interior, posted by R42 4787 on Sun Feb 7 20:48:15 2010. R33ML's got rebuilt very well! Those were the first with the newer "Flip In" style opening windows. When the R26/28/29's were rebuilt, they maintained the "Pull Down" style sliding windows until the Mid-90's when those cars were retrofitted with the newer style windows in the passenger cabins. |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Sun Feb 7 21:52:05 2010, in response to Re: Classic shot-R21/22 interior, posted by Neil Feldman on Sun Feb 7 21:35:11 2010. Also in the early 1990s the R26/28s had the #2 end H2C replaced with permanent link bar. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Feb 7 21:56:40 2010, in response to Re: Classic shot-R21/22 interior, posted by Neil Feldman on Sun Feb 7 21:30:44 2010. Lights still on? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Feb 7 22:42:45 2010, in response to Re: Classic shot-R21/22 interior, posted by R42 4787 on Sun Feb 7 20:25:12 2010. I'm not sure of the class number. The ones I didn't like are the ones used on the 8000 and 9000 cars. Just plain with no design. Ugly. These are graceful. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Feb 7 22:43:28 2010, in response to Re: Classic shot-R21/22 interior, posted by Neil Feldman on Sun Feb 7 21:16:39 2010. That's how they all used to be until 1984. |
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Posted by Neil Feldman on Sun Feb 7 23:19:12 2010, in response to Re: Classic shot-R21/22 interior, posted by R42 4787 on Sun Feb 7 21:52:05 2010. R26/28 was SMEE, so it was in pairs! I never knew it had H2C on the 2 ends! |
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Posted by Neil Feldman on Sun Feb 7 23:20:44 2010, in response to Re: Classic shot-R21/22 interior, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Feb 7 22:43:28 2010. I know it all well! I rode the 1 a couple of times before the R62A's came in! I saw quite a few R15's then over there too, and the Graffiti, well on a busy line like that, it was bad! |
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Posted by Neil Feldman on Sun Feb 7 23:21:38 2010, in response to Re: Classic shot-R21/22 interior, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Feb 7 21:56:40 2010. Look closely! |
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Posted by Neil Feldman on Sun Feb 7 23:24:47 2010, in response to Re: Classic shot-R21/22 interior, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Feb 7 22:42:45 2010. Yep, the R16/17/21/22 had the curved-style straphangers where as the R26/27/28/29/30/32/33/36/38/40/42 had the straight style. Of course at rebuild, the 32/38/40/42 had them removed in favor of the bars. |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Mon Feb 8 00:56:28 2010, in response to Re: Classic shot-R21/22 interior, posted by Neil Feldman on Sun Feb 7 23:24:47 2010. Of course at rebuild, the 32/38/40/42 had them removed in favor of the bars.I though that was one of the worst things done during GOH. After looking at a Redbird compared to a R32, its sad that the 32's didn't retain most of thier original look. |
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Posted by Jeff H. on Mon Feb 8 01:56:11 2010, in response to Classic shot-R21/22 interior, posted by R42 4787 on Sat Feb 6 21:38:23 2010. OK classic SMEE car afficiandos...without looking at the car number,which is conveniently obscured in this photo, what distinguishing characteristic separated the R21 from the R22? Point 2: I believe this car is not in service, but on the scrap track at the yard near 2 Ave and 36 St. |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Mon Feb 8 02:00:25 2010, in response to Re: Classic shot-R21/22 interior, posted by Jeff H. on Mon Feb 8 01:56:11 2010. Storm windows? |
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Posted by JBar387 on Mon Feb 8 05:22:17 2010, in response to Re: Classic shot-R21/22 interior, posted by Jeff H. on Mon Feb 8 01:56:11 2010. 1. Sucide Cab Doors for the R-21 (The only other unit to have this is the R-62 an R-62a). |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Mon Feb 8 08:43:26 2010, in response to Re: Classic shot-R21/22 interior, posted by Jeff H. on Mon Feb 8 01:56:11 2010. OK classic SMEE car afficiandos...without looking at the car number,which is conveniently obscured in this photo, what distinguishing characteristic separated the R21 from the R22? It was the hand straps (or grab irons). The R-21's used a type that I like to refer to as a "small triangle" while the R-22's used what I call a "long triangle". Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Feb 8 10:00:26 2010, in response to Re: Classic shot-R21/22 interior, posted by R42 4787 on Sun Feb 7 15:46:13 2010. Based on the interior Newport cigarettes ad card and car condition, I can roughly estimate the date of the photo as c. 1988Where are Julio and Marisol? :p |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Feb 8 11:20:00 2010, in response to Re: Classic shot-R21/22 interior, posted by Neil Feldman on Sun Feb 7 23:21:38 2010. That's a reflection |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Feb 8 11:20:00 2010, in response to Re: Classic shot-R21/22 interior, posted by Neil Feldman on Sun Feb 7 23:21:38 2010. That's a reflection |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Feb 8 15:30:41 2010, in response to Re: Classic shot-R21/22 interior, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Feb 7 19:49:04 2010. Better to be tried by twelve than carried by six!!! |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Feb 8 15:34:40 2010, in response to Re: Classic shot-R21/22 interior, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Feb 7 19:50:21 2010. If it had been cleaned off each car as soon as it was seen in the beginning, we never would have had the graffiti problem that ultimately developed. If a graffiti vandals who spent a lot of effort putting their tags on cars didn't see them the next day they eventually would have given up. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Feb 8 15:40:43 2010, in response to Re: Classic shot-R21/22 interior, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Feb 7 18:32:51 2010. We no longer have any parts that will soon reach their 100th birthday other than the actual subway and el structures of the original IRT and many of these are being overhauled. There is no longer any car equipment or signal equipment anywhere near that age save for the one BMT steel unit which is not operable at the present time and the Lo-V museum cars and these are the newest of the Lo-Vs anyhow. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Feb 8 15:44:48 2010, in response to Re: Classic shot-R21/22 interior, posted by Neil Feldman on Sun Feb 7 23:19:12 2010. The R-26s through 30s had H2CA couplers which had an additional tappet to allow main reservoir pressure to go between cars in a pair since only one car had a compressor. Eventually all the IRT R-26s through 33s received the WABCO upgrade from SMEE to RT-2. The BMT/IND GOH R-30s retained their SMEE braking to the end. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Feb 8 15:55:08 2010, in response to Re: Classic shot-R21/22 interior, posted by Neil Feldman on Sun Feb 7 23:24:47 2010. Actually, there were 4 different types of handholds. The R-16s and 17s had handholds similar to the R-10s but with the base modified to fit a flat ceiling instead a turtleback roof. The R-21 design was similar to the R-17 but with a smaller base so that neither the handholds nor the entire unit base and all were interchangeable between them and the R-17s. The R-22 had a different type of handhold and while different from the R-21, the entire unit was interchangeable with the R-21. The R-26 through 42 which was the plainest of all of them had a base that was compatible with the R-21 and up and I often saw IRT cars of various types with varying combinations of R-21, 22, and 26 handholds in the same car. |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Mon Feb 8 16:04:45 2010, in response to Re: Classic shot-R21/22 interior, posted by randyo on Mon Feb 8 15:40:43 2010. The Dual Contracts sections will be turning 100 this coming decade, being built mainly in the years 1914-20. Most of the surviving elevated routes and a good bulk of the BMT and IRT lines were built in this era. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Feb 8 16:11:26 2010, in response to Re: Classic shot-R21/22 interior, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Mon Feb 8 08:43:26 2010. Yes, that which I mentioned in my other post and what another poster called the "suicide" M/M's cab door which opened backwards like the R-62s. Also, as delivered, the R-21s were the last NYCTA equipment without seal beam headlights which were retrofitted later after the R-22s arrived. Most of the R-10 through 21 cars retained the clear lenses on the taillights which had an internal red lens that caused the taillight to illuminate red. The R-22s always had the external red taillight lens which was retrofitted to some of the earlier cars but not all. Something that may not be immediately obvious between the R-21s and 22s is that R-21s were also the last cars on which the C/R had to energize the trainline main light circuit with an external key located on the overhead panel outside the storm door underneath the end rollsign. R-22s and later cars had the main light switch on the auxiliary switch panel in the M/M's cab (the one located just to the left of the vision glass). Another less obvious difference is the PA mike in the cab. R-16s through 21s has a Smith-Meeker brand of PA mike which had a cover over the mike which had to be opened for the C/R to make announcements. R-22s had a Stromberg - Carlson PA mike which only needed a button pressed to speak into. The last 10 WH R-22s 7515 - 7524 had hard plastic salmon colored R-26 style seats, reenforced (quilted) doors R-26 style side door windows with the large rubber weatherstripping and a single drop sash storm door window. They also had a speckled green interior paint scheme like the one that was used on the overhauled BMT steels. One of the last group, I believe 7515, was used on the automated GC shuttle train of the 1960s |
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Posted by Jeff H. on Mon Feb 8 17:01:48 2010, in response to Re: Classic shot-R21/22 interior, posted by randyo on Mon Feb 8 16:11:26 2010. I did not know that about the PA. The ones on R-17 6688 don'thave a cover, but that PA system was modernized, probably in the early 1980s. The vacuum tube amp was replaced with a solid-state unit. I also didn't remember the difference in the momentary light switch. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 8 17:28:30 2010, in response to Re: Classic shot-R21/22 interior, posted by Neil Feldman on Sun Feb 7 23:20:44 2010. But I also remember when everything was all clean and grafitti was unheard of. The only vandalism problem was the slashing of the vinyl seats. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Mon Feb 8 17:46:53 2010, in response to Re: Classic shot-R21/22 interior, posted by randyo on Mon Feb 8 15:40:43 2010. other than the actual subway and el structuresIsn't that quite enough? Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by shiznit1987 on Mon Feb 8 18:12:42 2010, in response to Re: Classic shot-R21/22 interior, posted by R42 4787 on Mon Feb 8 16:04:45 2010. I wonder if the MTA will need to do a structural rebuild of them ala MFL in Philly. |
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