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Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962? |
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Posted by Union Turnpike on Sun Jan 31 20:39:31 2010 According to this interesting subway website: http://www.robkopolovicz.com/ind.html there briefly was a (DD) in 1962.The (DD) ran from December 7, 1962 until Christmas Eve 1962 due to a water main break. This would've been a Concourse-Sixth Avenue Local. Would the R1-R9s actually have displayed (DD) during these 17 days? Also on a side note, the webmaster mentions about the Second Avenue subway possibly connecting with the Pelham Bay Line and being served by the (T)(Q) and (V) trains after 2014. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jan 31 21:07:50 2010, in response to Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by Union Turnpike on Sun Jan 31 20:39:31 2010. Yes, the R-1/9s displayed DD signs. They had all single letter and double letter route signs - even an FF that has never been officially used.I personally have seen R-27/30 D trains signed DD. |
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Posted by Union Turnpike on Sun Jan 31 21:24:05 2010, in response to Re: Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jan 31 21:07:50 2010. Thanks. |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Sun Jan 31 21:52:03 2010, in response to Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by Union Turnpike on Sun Jan 31 20:39:31 2010. The DD was discussed in this thread from 11 years ago! |
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Posted by Union Turnpike on Sun Jan 31 22:40:25 2010, in response to Re: Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by Bob Andersen on Sun Jan 31 21:52:03 2010. Interesting thread from 1998. So the temporary (DD) ran in conjunction with an emergency (C) during those 17 days in 1962? Would anyone know how Concourse/Saint Avenue service was and where the water main break occurred that caused this? |
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Posted by Union Turnpike on Sun Jan 31 22:51:17 2010, in response to Re: Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by Union Turnpike on Sun Jan 31 22:40:25 2010. OOP! I found it. The (C) ran via Sixth Avenue, the (DD) ran via Eighth Avenue and Houston Street and the Sixth Avenue IND was closed between 34th Street and West 4th Street.So we had (A)(BB)(C)(CC)(DD) during those seventeen days? |
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Posted by INDependent on Sun Jan 31 23:02:17 2010, in response to Re: Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jan 31 21:07:50 2010. Re. FF -- It's running now -- as the V.LOL |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Feb 1 07:56:27 2010, in response to Re: Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by INDependent on Sun Jan 31 23:02:17 2010. Exactly!:) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Feb 1 07:58:51 2010, in response to Re: Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by Union Turnpike on Sun Jan 31 22:51:17 2010. IIRC the Ethel was unaffected and the Fred terminated at 34th St. |
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Posted by Eric B on Mon Feb 1 08:21:07 2010, in response to Re: Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by Union Turnpike on Sun Jan 31 22:51:17 2010. The CC was suspended. The CC became the C, just like the D became the DD. It was an even switch of lines. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Mon Feb 1 08:58:04 2010, in response to Re: Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Feb 1 07:56:27 2010. And during the 2009 vintage holiday train of R-1/9's, each of the side route roll sign boxes on R-7A #1575 was signed up as a "Queens-6th Av.Lcl.", in essence like an "FF" per se. The other R-1/9's were signed up simply as "S|Special".-William A. Padron ["MM|Av. of Americas Local", seen on side route sign for IND R-7/9's assigned to BMT Eastern Division] |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Feb 1 09:28:50 2010, in response to Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by Union Turnpike on Sun Jan 31 20:39:31 2010. I don't care when they run, I never mind seeing double-D's... |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Mon Feb 1 10:38:04 2010, in response to Re: Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by Union Turnpike on Sun Jan 31 22:40:25 2010. Here's an undated version of my original post from way back when.The Sixth Avenue Water-main Break of 1962 During the early morning hours of December 7, 1962 a water-main located at 18th Street and Sixth Avenue ruptured and flooded the tracks of the Sixth Avenue Lines of both the IND Division and PATH. Subway service was suspended between 34th Street-Herald Square and West 4 Street. PATH service was suspended between 33rd Street and Hoboken. The following emergency services were placed into effect. Routes A,E,GG and HH operated normally. Route AA 8th Avenue Local would continue to operate between 168th Street Broadway and Hudson Terminal (todays World Trade Center), but would run only during the rush hours. Route BB 6th Avenue Local continued to operate between 168th Street Broadway and 34th Street 6th Avenue but would operate during non-rush hours only. Route C 8th Avenue Express would operate between Bedford Park Boulevard and 34th Street 6th Avenue during rush hours and running express on the Grand Concourse Line in the direction of traffic and in both directions on the Eighth Avenue Line between 145th Street and 59th Street. Route CC 8th Avenue Local was suspended. Route D 6th Avenue Express continued to operate between 205th Street and Coney Island (Via the Rutgers Street Tunnel) but would operate during non-rush hours only running via the local tracks of the Eighth Avenue Line between 59th Street and West 4th Street. This service would operate express between 145th Street and 59th Street. Route DD 6th Avenue Local would operate between 205th Street and Coney Island (Via the Rutgers Street Tunnel) during rush hours only running via the local tracks of the Eighth Avenue Line between 59th Street and West 4th Street. Route F 6th Avenue Express operated between 179th Street Jamaica and 34th Street 6th Avenue (Via the 53 Street Tunnel) at all times. It was the first time that the C had operated since 1949 and the first and only time that the DD ever ran. A nice early Christmas present for rail-fans of the day. Normal service was restored on December 24, 1962. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Hart Bus on Mon Feb 1 10:46:45 2010, in response to Re: Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jan 31 21:07:50 2010. To verify Steve's assertion, come up later this year to the Shoreline Trolley Museum and get into R-9 car 1689 and you will see that is an INDdesignation on the roll sign for a DD train. |
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Posted by Hart Bus on Mon Feb 1 10:49:42 2010, in response to Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by Union Turnpike on Sun Jan 31 20:39:31 2010. Westcode 44, myself and a few other members of this board know that DD really walks not run. Of course if there is a fast food joint on the way then DD's MPH drops to ZERO. - LOL |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Feb 1 11:53:04 2010, in response to Re: Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by INDependent on Sun Jan 31 23:02:17 2010. Nah, I think the V would have been the FF back in those days, not DD. The current B train fits more as a DD.They even used the single G for a SHORT period in 1964. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Feb 1 11:54:48 2010, in response to Re: Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jan 31 21:07:50 2010. 
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Feb 1 11:56:55 2010, in response to Re: Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by Hart Bus on Mon Feb 1 10:46:45 2010. You'd think they'd have avoided use of this designation for obvious reasons:
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Mon Feb 1 12:41:13 2010, in response to Re: Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Feb 1 11:56:55 2010. Chris: I think that men were just as aware of big boobs back in those days as they are now, but I don't know if "DD" was included in the lexicon. It was a more innocent time. I'd hate to think what they would make of the "FF" if it ran today. What would those two letters stand for?Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Feb 1 13:01:02 2010, in response to Re: Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Mon Feb 1 12:41:13 2010. They do make FF cup bras, but they are generally referred to as "epic t_ts" by the younger ones. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Feb 1 13:24:08 2010, in response to Re: Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by Hart Bus on Mon Feb 1 10:46:45 2010. My IND signbox has a DD-6th Ave. Local route sign. So do both of my IND bulhead route curtains. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Feb 1 13:26:03 2010, in response to Re: Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Feb 1 11:54:48 2010. I saw that marking on R-27/30 D trains in 1980. That photo most likely dates from 1969 or 1970; I remember that red paint job just before the platinum mist-and-blue treatment. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Feb 1 13:26:41 2010, in response to Re: Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Feb 1 11:53:04 2010. Even the R-1/9s never had G signs. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Feb 1 13:30:11 2010, in response to Re: Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Feb 1 13:26:03 2010. Yes, the pic dates to 1970, at the time fluorescent lighting was being installed in Herald Sq. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Feb 1 13:30:11 2010, in response to Re: Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Mon Feb 1 10:38:04 2010. I wonder if anyone took any photos of C or DD trains during that time period. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Feb 1 13:30:59 2010, in response to Re: Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Feb 1 13:26:41 2010. FWIH it was used for a few weeks to provide limited stop service on the GG between Hoyt and Roosevelt for Worlds Fair attendees. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Feb 1 13:31:00 2010, in response to Re: Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by William A. Padron on Mon Feb 1 08:58:04 2010. The double Moe!!!:) |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Feb 1 14:57:11 2010, in response to Re: Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by William A. Padron on Mon Feb 1 08:58:04 2010. When the KK was running, 4 AM intervals operated from 57/6 to Met. Even though they carried KK side signs, the trains were in actuality MMs. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Feb 1 14:59:08 2010, in response to Re: Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Feb 1 13:30:59 2010. Since none of the NYCT equipment had G signs until the double letters were eliminated, I would assume that the world's fair specials carried "S/Special" signs. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Feb 1 15:06:33 2010, in response to Re: Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by Eric B on Mon Feb 1 08:21:07 2010. There was only one problem with the designations that were used during that period. They were WRONG!!! "DD" was erroneously used on trains operating on 8 Ave when the D/DD combination is meant for 6 Ave. The C was erroneously used for trains operating on 8 Ave even though the C/CC combination is meant for trains operating on 8 Ave. The TA should called the 205 - Stl via 8 Ave local service a "CC" and kept the"D" designation for the Bed Pk - 34/6 express service. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Feb 1 16:29:38 2010, in response to Re: Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by randyo on Mon Feb 1 14:59:08 2010. They did indeed based on photos I've seen. But they apparently also went to the trouble of making up signs for the sides and bulkheads that said "World's Fair" as well. Wonder how many of those they made? |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Mon Feb 1 16:57:57 2010, in response to Re: Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by randyo on Mon Feb 1 14:59:08 2010. The service did carry "S" Special signs.Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Mon Feb 1 17:18:52 2010, in response to Re: Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by William A. Padron on Mon Feb 1 08:58:04 2010. "Av. of Americas Local",Like any self respecting New Yorker would actually refer to it as the Avenue of the Americas Local. Thats like walking into Katz's Deli and asking for a hot pastrami sandwich with mayo. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Feb 1 17:24:25 2010, in response to Re: Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Mon Feb 1 17:18:52 2010. If I went to Katz, I'd be asking for a hot pastrami sandwich with cheese. And mustard on the side. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Feb 1 17:28:39 2010, in response to Re: Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by daDouce Man on Mon Feb 1 17:24:25 2010. And believe it or not you might get it as Katz' isn't Kosher and they actually sell cheeseburgers!!! |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Mon Feb 1 17:37:35 2010, in response to Re: Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Feb 1 17:28:39 2010. I read somewhere Katz wasn't really Kosher.They have more tourists than locals eating there. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Feb 1 19:29:45 2010, in response to Re: Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Feb 1 16:29:38 2010. Too bad they didn't keep the original 1939-40 signs. I wonder how many of those still exist. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Feb 1 19:30:59 2010, in response to Re: Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Mon Feb 1 16:57:57 2010. Didn't they run similar specials on the BMT to Queensboro Plaza? There's a pic of a shiny new R-32 train at 8th Ave. on the Sea Beach line taken in the summer of 1965 sporting an S sign up front. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Feb 1 19:33:18 2010, in response to Re: Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Feb 1 13:30:11 2010. Of course, we don't know if that was a solid R-27/30 train or a Borgaschmord mix. That was right at the time anything that ran was thrown together. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Feb 1 19:39:23 2010, in response to Re: Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Feb 1 13:26:03 2010. Obviously a hijacked QB ... :) |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon Feb 1 20:26:43 2010, in response to Re: Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Feb 1 13:30:59 2010. Limited stop on the Crosstown? Interesting, do you know what the stops were? |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Feb 1 20:53:01 2010, in response to Re: Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Feb 1 11:53:04 2010. For the old timers.Was the lower level of 75th Ave on the Queens Blvd Line used as a station during the the Worlds Fair '38 -'39 ? avid |
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Posted by Union Turnpike on Mon Feb 1 21:11:34 2010, in response to Re: Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by randyo on Mon Feb 1 15:06:33 2010. I see. But the only way the (D) could reach Stillwell Avenue-Coney Island during that period was via Eighth Avenue-Houston Street so apparently the (DD) was used to minimize confusion.Did PATH provide service between 33d Street and 9th Street while the Sixth Avenue IND was out or were they affected also? |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Mon Feb 1 21:11:47 2010, in response to Re: Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by Hart Bus on Mon Feb 1 10:49:42 2010. America runs on DD. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Feb 1 21:20:03 2010, in response to Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by Union Turnpike on Sun Jan 31 20:39:31 2010. 
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Feb 1 21:21:06 2010, in response to Re: Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Feb 1 11:54:48 2010. The DD did not operate to or through Herald Square. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Feb 1 22:00:09 2010, in response to Re: Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Feb 1 19:29:45 2010. Dunno if it was actually on a roll, or they stuck a piece of cardboard behind the window, but I saw a few pics (might have even been Dave's place but I think it was somewhere else) which had that on the bulkhead and I *think* side signs too. If they did use oil cloth though, I imagine it would have been powdered long ago ... |
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Posted by Union Turnpike on Mon Feb 1 22:11:04 2010, in response to Re: Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Feb 1 21:20:03 2010. Thank you, Mr. Bauman. I appreciate this. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Feb 2 08:56:33 2010, in response to Re: Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Mon Feb 1 17:18:52 2010. And for those who cannot believe that a roll sign destination for that route as an "Av. of Americas Local" actually existed (it also did for the "K"/"KK"), here is the URL to an image to an R-7 car on the end of the picture displaying that. But since it was on a regular "QJ" run, it was improperly signed...R-7 #1428 (with "MM" Route Sign) & R-9 #1786 - Cypress Hills, BMT Jamaica Line, 12/3/1972. -William A. Padron ["MM - Sixth Av. Local", seen on color-coded side route sign R-16/32 as green] |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Tue Feb 2 10:48:20 2010, in response to Re: Did The (DD) Briefly Run In 1962?, posted by daDouce Man on Mon Feb 1 17:37:35 2010. I recall seeing a long line just to just into the place. I do however sgree that its mostly tourists that walk into the place. I could smell the food all the way from Allen Street. |
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