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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 19 19:40:17 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by rbseabeach on Thu Nov 19 19:28:38 2009. And last I checked Obama was elected in 2008. If you could post lies about his not receiving enough votes then, I could post the truth about Bush not doing so in 2000. A WELL KNOWN FACT! Yes, the popular vote doesn't matter, so why did you bring it up?And once again you fail history: The war was not yet completely unpopular in 2004. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Thu Nov 19 19:41:21 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Nov 19 19:33:56 2009. I a not even going to waste my breath on Kerry. Fortunately he was exposed in 2004. WIth regards to TOP, it is killing and hopefuly because Obama is trying to get taxpayers to fund them with his healthcare bill this will defeat the bill. The majority of Americans are opposed to this. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Nov 19 19:43:33 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by rbseabeach on Thu Nov 19 19:41:21 2009. I fail to see how a plan to cut the deficit makes taxpayers pay more...I suppose that is why I am not a republican. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 19 19:43:45 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by rbseabeach on Thu Nov 19 19:41:21 2009. Sure it's a killing.Congratulations either on being a hypocrite or a vegetarian! |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Nov 19 19:44:17 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by rbseabeach on Thu Nov 19 19:41:21 2009. Yes. Kerry was exposed in 2004 as the war hero that he is. He must feel the shame from that every day. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Thu Nov 19 19:45:49 2009, in response to Re: Roar: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 19 19:37:37 2009. This information is common knowledge that was disclosed by the NYPD. It was not said how many were specifically prevented but it was confirmed by Ray Kelly that SEVERAL were prevented including the Brooklyn Bridge plot.I was not in favor of the prescription drug plan and I am not in favor of socialized medicine. I am in favor of hitting the trial lawyers, having the ability to purchase insurance in any state and having health care savings accounts that are tax free. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Nov 19 19:45:57 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Nov 19 11:44:06 2009. The war was *won* years ago. Saddam and his regime was overturned; the Taliban was tossed out of power in Af'stan. The Talleyban will come back, Saddam will notNoticed you said nothing about Iran. Why is that? Troops (they are troops) do only one thing well: The Break Things and Kill People. Once that job is done, their job is done. Troops cannot bring peace, that is NOT their function Yes it is. If they fight for the cause of peace and freedom, then they have destroyed those that would bring tyranny. The way you render it, all "troops" are the bad guys. After WW-II we OCCUPIED Axis countries. *WE* provided the government and ran everything at our pleasure False. Konrad Adenauer was anything but our puppet. The USA lost control of the former Axis countries when the Treaty of Paris created the European Coal and Steel Community. Mr. Hitler tried to exterminate Jews. He failed, and both Jews and Israel are stronger than ever. Mr. H of course was an evil devil full of hate and shit, but *WE* will have no better luck trying to exterminate AlQuida or the Tailiban than he had with his hideous project. Those terrorists will survive, and their hatred will survive no matter what we do over there False summary and assessment. Adolf was not a singular phenomenon; he merely used modern technology to advance a very old European movement/institution. Furthermore, how can Israel be "stronger than ever" when their borders continue to shrink? Your surrender stance versus terrorism is BS, as well, because even the Vatican recognizes that the prime cause of Islamic terrorism is Iran. Why don't you discuss stuff like this in OTChat? There's a preponderance of those that are too liberal, over there. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Nov 19 19:46:59 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Nov 19 11:44:06 2009. The war was *won* years ago. Saddam and his regime was overturned; the Taliban was tossed out of power in Af'stan. The Talleyban will come back, Saddam will notNoticed you said nothing about Iran. Why is that? Troops (they are troops) do only one thing well: The Break Things and Kill People. Once that job is done, their job is done. Troops cannot bring peace, that is NOT their function Yes it is. If they fight for the cause of peace and freedom, then they have destroyed those that would bring tyranny. The way you render it, all "troops" are the bad guys. After WW-II we OCCUPIED Axis countries. *WE* provided the government and ran everything at our pleasure False. Konrad Adenauer was anything but our puppet. The USA lost control of the former Axis countries when the Treaty of Paris created the European Coal and Steel Community. Mr. Hitler tried to exterminate Jews. He failed, and both Jews and Israel are stronger than ever. Mr. H of course was an evil devil full of hate and shit, but *WE* will have no better luck trying to exterminate AlQuida or the Tailiban than he had with his hideous project. Those terrorists will survive, and their hatred will survive no matter what we do over there False summary and assessment. Adolf was not a singular phenomenon; he merely used modern technology to advance a very old European movement/institution. Furthermore, how can Israel be "stronger than ever" when their borders continue to shrink? Your surrender stance versus terrorism is BS, as well, because even the Vatican recognizes that the prime cause of Islamic terrorism is Iran. I notice you compared Jews to terrorists, too. Been hanging around with the ultra-conservatives of late? Why don't you discuss stuff like this in OTChat? There's a preponderance of those that are too liberal, over there. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 19 19:47:13 2009, in response to Re: Roar: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by rbseabeach on Thu Nov 19 19:45:49 2009. It was not said how many were specifically prevented but it was confirmed by Ray Kelly that SEVERAL were prevented including the Brooklyn Bridge plot.Same as in the 1990s. You conveniently forget that Atlantic Avenue subway bomb plot and the Blind Sheikh's bomb plot. Then, non-locally, there's always Operation Bojinka. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Thu Nov 19 19:49:36 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 19 19:40:17 2009. no lies, unfortunately he did indeed win in 2008. WIth regards to the war, war is never popular. President Bush won in 2000 and he won overwhelmingly in 2004. The difference is Obama won in 2008 and will lose in 2012. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Thu Nov 19 19:51:05 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by R30A on Thu Nov 19 19:43:33 2009. In 10 months he has spent more than any President in History. You really want to talk about the deficit? |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Thu Nov 19 19:52:05 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 19 19:43:45 2009. I am neither and I love Ruth's Chris steakhouse. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 19 19:52:19 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by rbseabeach on Thu Nov 19 19:49:36 2009. Possibly, due to people who are short-sighted and blame Democrats for the problems that the Republicans left for them, then elect Republicans who take credit for the prosperity they inherited from the Democrats. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Thu Nov 19 19:52:37 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by R30A on Thu Nov 19 19:44:17 2009. yes! Thank you Swift |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 19 19:53:09 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by rbseabeach on Thu Nov 19 19:52:05 2009. Sorry, you are one or the other as it seems you have no problem with killing. Maybe you chose the wrong word. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Thu Nov 19 19:55:02 2009, in response to Re: Roar: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 19 19:47:13 2009. No I did not and thank you for reminding me. Good one! |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Nov 19 19:56:09 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by rbseabeach on Thu Nov 19 19:01:53 2009. When the financial geniuses like Madoff and the rest of the swindlers, bankers etc pay back every dime they stole/burned I might worry about a few welfare cheats. I mean Madoff destroyed $45 billion, no? At say $2k a month 200k persons cheating for ten years is $48 billion. So who is more of a cheat? Do you have any idea how many people who were honestly paying their mortgages at the teaser rates lost houses simply because the rates were jacker? And the bankers who invented this crap want our money so they can have more bonuses. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Thu Nov 19 19:56:34 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 19 19:52:19 2009. Sort of like Clinton taking credit for the policies implimented by George HW Bush and NEwt Gingrich. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Nov 19 19:57:08 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Nov 19 19:56:09 2009. Move it to OTChat. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Thu Nov 19 19:57:39 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 19 19:53:09 2009. I believe in capital punishment just like Eric Holder and Barack Hussein Obama |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Nov 19 19:59:17 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Nov 17 21:59:16 2009. No, that's not an excuse for unfunded mandates like that. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Nov 19 20:09:08 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Nov 19 19:59:17 2009. If one seeks permission from any part of government to conduct a business, it is the right of said government to regulate the conduct of said business in order to assure the public necessity and convenience. This has been settled law for over a century. In fact the ICC was the question in SCOTUS IINM. As such unfunded or not, the business is obligated to implement the safety regs. Surely you do not apply this "unfunded" comment to air brakes, stirrup steps, handrails etc? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 19 20:12:58 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by rbseabeach on Thu Nov 19 19:57:39 2009. So you're a hypocrite. You believe in ending a life when it's convenient to you but not when it's convenient to someone else. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Nov 19 20:21:06 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Nov 19 19:33:56 2009. The LION *is* in favor of abortions. Let the Liberals and the Socialists abort themselves.ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Nov 19 20:22:31 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 19 19:43:45 2009. P.E.T.A.People Eating Tasty Animals. LIONs eat animals too! ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Nov 19 20:29:06 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 19 20:12:58 2009. You only have a baby if it is convenient?That is not part of God's Plan. But then people have a 5000+ year history of not paying attention to God's plan. Execution is an event apart. A perpetrator perpetrated a calamity on others, and society as represented by a jury has determined that his life should be forfeit. Do we execute innocents by mistake? Yes, it happens, and that is a tragedy. It is to be avoided, and is best avoided by not using the death penalty. Yet there are some where the death penalty is obvious and necessary. I do not know where that line is, as this is for the jury to decide. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Nov 19 20:41:40 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Nov 19 19:56:09 2009. Madoff is a convicted criminal. But the people he bilked were looking for profits and lost their shirts. If people do not know what they are doing with their money, this is their own problem. Look, this kind of fraud is the only thing that keeps Nigeria solvent.You *give* your money to someone who tells you will get it back with mucho interest you could be burned. And the people he burned should have known better. As for the housing bubble... the LION has seen for himself the beautiful restoration that occurred in Brooklyn. People received money from a bank. They hired other people to renovate homes. So far we have builders and owners who have made out from this deal. As long as they were paying back the bank they were ok. If gotcha rates were offered by the bank, then that is the subject for investigation and restoration. Mostly people are getting burned by second mortgages, and that is their own greed at work. Nonetheless, most houses cost MORE than their current resale value. It would be great if everybody could hold up their end of the mortgage until the value of the property is up. Many people have become rich in real estate, while others were broken. Now what of the banks? Did they loose money? No not hardly: they sold the debt to bigger banks who packaged these into sub-prime instruments, at attractive interest rates. These consolidators sold them to new "investors". These investors would have made big money if they worked, and they could loose big money if they failed. They Failed. Tough Darts Investor. THAT WAS YOUR RISK. ROAR |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Nov 19 21:21:40 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Nov 19 20:41:40 2009. Lion, I have bo sympathy for the victims of the re packagers. I am profoundly angry at the rate hike lenders. To me that was the mahor spark for this disaster. As to Madoff's victims, a mixed lot, but my point was that he, a capitalist, burned more money than a huge number of fantasy welfare cheats.As for genuinely improving a former slum, no argument. I do electrical work primarily in this context. BTW it is lose. Loose rhymes with moose. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Nov 19 21:27:32 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Nov 19 20:29:06 2009. yes, having an unwanted child sets the kid up for bad treatment. Need a child? There are lots already out there in need of affection and care. As to an alleged plan, since I do not believe in the alleged progenitor of same no foul not following it.I do however make regular efforts to be an extra uncle to the kids in my extended clan/kinship group. One of my tasks is to introduve kids to trains/streetcars/subways. So far so good. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Nov 19 21:44:20 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Nov 19 19:46:59 2009. *I* am not the one who started a thread in Obama's name.ROAR |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Nov 19 22:37:10 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Nov 19 20:21:06 2009. extra eclesiam nemo salvatur |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 20 09:09:03 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Nov 19 20:09:08 2009. If one seeks permission from any part of government to conduct a business, it is the right of said government to regulate the conduct of said business in order to assure the public necessity and convenienceThat wasn't the case back in 1950. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 20 09:11:08 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Nov 19 21:44:20 2009. No, it wasn't started in the president's "name". And the subject is on topic; the other BS isn't. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Nov 20 10:19:47 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 20 09:11:08 2009. BS is *good* for you. We spread it across our gardens as it makes a good fertilizer. We grow pees, carrots, potatoes, corn, squash and pumpkins among other things.ROAR |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 20 10:21:40 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Nov 19 20:29:06 2009. You only have a baby if it is convenient?YES! That is not part of God's Plan. Fuck that. "God's plan" brought us droughts and floods and poison monkeys. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Nov 20 11:55:36 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 20 09:09:03 2009. Excuse me, the ICC had (in many persons's opinions) a stranglehold on rates, routes, and many other details of RR operation including specifically safety. The ICC dates from 1887 IIRC, and was challenged as unconstitutional. ICC was affirmed by SCOTUS. ICC explicitly superseded states in safety regulation. |
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