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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 17 03:26:24 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 17 03:23:12 2009. Oh, I'll bet you'd "ism" if you had a set. :) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 17 03:28:13 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Mon Nov 16 09:32:35 2009. Yes, and they also have FRA glazing on the windows. (Been that way since the H&M. PATH used to share tracks with MP54s, steamers, Baldwin Sharknoses and GG1s, remember.) |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Nov 17 08:27:23 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 16 12:17:21 2009. Heh. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 17 14:04:41 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Nov 16 12:14:22 2009. It's socialism when one level of government takes over an entity controlled by…another level of government? O…K… |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 17 14:08:51 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Nov 16 13:47:23 2009. Among other benefits, they attempt to decrease accidents which I see as a public good.In what way is it a public good? How is it non-rival and non-excludable? It's not a good at all! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 17 14:09:06 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 17 14:04:41 2009. lol |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 17 14:09:13 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 17 14:04:41 2009. Of course it is. More centralization. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Nov 17 14:27:12 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 17 14:04:41 2009. uhm, no. Socialism is when the government on behalf of the people owns/operates the means of production. The issue as to which piece of government REGULATES services or products provided by separate entities (publicly or privately) is entirely separate. Those upset by Federal activity in this area might want to ask them selves whether they prefer individual states or the Feds when we deal with for instance food safety issues. The recent peanut corporation case is exemplary because a single company with plants in several different states was shipping intermediate products as ingredients to a very wide array of brand name marketers of diverse foods. Because, as pointed out in the original post, the instant case involves two states AND Federally administered DC, oversight is not clearly vested in a single agency as it is for instance within CA for all transit rail operations. Thus, whether a Federal or tripartite group, someone NOT ON WMATA's payroll, needs to have the authority to audit safety procedures. The reference to WMATA preventing outside safety monitors demonstrates the necessity. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Nov 17 14:31:22 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Nov 16 14:22:21 2009. You bring up an interesting point but in the pre Amtrak/local commuter RRs each railroad had its own signaling system so there is really no difference between what goes on now and what went on before. Each local rapid transit system also has its own unique signal system although there are some similarities between some transit systems throughout the country. Even within the NYCTS, there were 2 different types of signal displays on the 3 divisions. IRT used a system more in keeping with mainline RR signals whereas the BMT developed its own signal system which was later adopted by the IND and is now becoming standard on the entire NYCTS. Despite that even while the old IRT signal system was predominant throughout the division, M/M were able to pick between the IRT and the combined BMT/IND Division and had to deal with the 2 types of signal displays. In fact even within the IRT Division, M/M had to deal with both the old and new signals often on different parts of the same line. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Tue Nov 17 14:35:24 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Nov 15 18:00:35 2009. Maybe he should appoint a transit czar and a Manhattan terrorist czar? I guess that is what he meant by creating jobs.I am so happy he is bringing the terrorist home to New York City. Maybe they will be acquitted and then they can drive a cab? As a matter of fact if the trial goes on long enough, they will probably be ENTITLED to FREE healthcare, housing, food, school, etc. Maybe we can even provide them with free chemicals to make bombs? If anyone f them is mistreated they can always contact Sanford Rubenstein, Ron Kuby or Norm Siegal to represent them or put them up in their homes for a few nights. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 17 14:36:50 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Nov 17 14:27:12 2009. I see you totally missed the sarcasm. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Tue Nov 17 14:41:00 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Nov 15 18:28:38 2009. Look the media elected this clown. Remember he was the only one to oppose the war on terror and that is what propelled him to win the primary. Then the media and America wanted to atone their sins of racism by anointing him. We could have found out that he was the 21st hijaker and he STILL would have won. Fortunately 2012 is just around the corner if he actually lasts that long. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Tue Nov 17 14:45:59 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by italianstallion on Sun Nov 15 20:24:03 2009. I wouldn't mind spending a few hours with Michelle Malkin alone. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Tue Nov 17 14:49:14 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Nov 15 21:55:04 2009. Yes Yes Yes!!The difference is that he is trying to circumvent the constitution by stripping away the role of elected Senators & Congressmen who are accoutable to their constituents. He is a total loser and I am so thrilled at the recent election results. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Nov 17 14:50:24 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Mon Nov 16 16:39:03 2009. First a short list, St Louis Bi State LRVs run into Illinois. Portland Tri Met was planning to cross the Columbia to Vancouver WA but they couldn't make a deal. I expect that extension within a decade. And if the DC Streetcar in Anacostia ever gets built I expect it to cross into MD as well.As to what Tri Met and WMATA have in common, both are 'isolated' non FRA (not connected to the national mainline RR network) systems. One way or another, they all need some external safety supervision. We have a history of Federal agencies setting national standards for safety appliances in train usage. So what is so alarming about adding light rail or subway systems such that basic safety regs/procedures become more standardised? We have Fed standards for signage on Interstates, Fed standards for lane widths, Fed standards for auto brake lights, and many other things which you use each day. And it is the FDA rather than merely a state dept of Agriculture which strives to bring you untainted food. Why is a national standard so scary? BTW one of BART's many mistakes was failure to adhere to the US standard track guage. (yes I know several lines in PA are deliberately outliers for historic reasons. Now it just makes them more expensive to maintain) As to mandate fears, are we talking about increased safety inspections?, more safety appliances?, why is this a fear? |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Tue Nov 17 14:53:29 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Nov 15 21:58:36 2009. No lets get back to the Chicago convicted felon named Tony Rezco that gave the messiah a sweet deal on his Chicago home and bankrolled his Chicago Senate Campaign. While we are at it, lets discuss Rev. Wright and Bill Aires as well.I am so thrilled that he decides to jet off to try and snatch the olympics while there are Bigger fish to fry in the USA. How about making a decision on Afganistan a "War of Necessity" Mr. President? I guess he is learning a thing or two from John "I voted for it before I voted against it Kerry." |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Tue Nov 17 14:55:46 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Nov 15 22:01:43 2009. No need to defend Rush, Mark Levin, Sean Hannity, Bob Grant etc. THey are great Americans that have been around for a long time and their ratings are through the roof. I would vote for any of them for president. |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Tue Nov 17 14:57:25 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by rbseabeach on Tue Nov 17 14:55:46 2009. you must be insane |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Nov 17 14:59:28 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by rbseabeach on Tue Nov 17 14:49:14 2009. Excuse me, how is proposing to extend Federal rail safety authority, which will in fact require an act of Congress stripping Congressional authority? |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Tue Nov 17 15:05:56 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Nov 16 16:15:38 2009. Well I guess Alec Baldwin, Susan Serandon, Barbara Streisand, Bruce Springsteen, Whoppi Goldberg, Oprah, and the rest of the Hollywood Crowd are all Tax cheats. LEts through in the sports players and trial lawyers as well. Lets also not forget our good friend Charlie Rangel who is the CHAIRMAN of the House Ways & Means Committee. Wow! |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue Nov 17 15:08:20 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Nov 17 14:59:28 2009. I was trying to figure that out myself...Perhaps he can elaborate.... |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Tue Nov 17 15:08:24 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Nov 16 16:16:41 2009. Cheney would never close a prison camp or brind terrorists to the US. Cheney would send troups if troups are requested, Cheney would never fly over lower Manhattan without notifying anyone, and Cheney would never eliminate tax cuts that helpped millions of Americans prosper in the 2000's. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Tue Nov 17 15:16:16 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Nov 16 22:20:02 2009. President Bush is a good conservative. He is also a human being that believes in trying to help as many people as possible no matter which side of the aisle they are on. Remember he did this as Governor of Texas. President Bush tried to appeal to too many people and that is why he became less conservative with certain issues such as the border and the prescription drug plan. President Bush though is a true leader that put America first and did what he felt was absolutely necessary to keep us safe. Guess what? It WORKED!!!It was so sucessful that this communiy organizer with no birth cirtificate kept many of his policies in place. I am one of President Bush's biggest fans. If we had him or his dad as president after the 1993 attack, do you honestly think either one of them would have done nothing about it? Don't you think they would have pulled out all stops and as a result there would NOT have been a 9/11 !! |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Tue Nov 17 15:20:28 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by 156n3rd on Tue Nov 17 14:57:25 2009. I guess I am and so are the millions of us that listen to them and are mobilizing aroud the country.I guess it is comforting that the corrupt Acorn elected the president |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Nov 17 16:10:48 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by rbseabeach on Tue Nov 17 15:05:56 2009. As to taxes, I prefer a return to the rates charged in the Eisenhower era. They were seriously 'progressive' as in the more you make the more you pay. As to the various 'stars' athletes, etc, I have NEVER defended the incomes they generate, so that is not an issue. As to Rangel, I am all for investigating his financial dealings thoroughly, and IF (remembering the presumption of innocence even for politicians) he is indicted and convicted then jail time might be in order.Now, if you choose to believe the lies, half truths, and such from the right wingers, all I can say is they are describing a different planet from the one I live on. The fact that some or MANY persons who may be involved in ACORN might have voted as I happen to have does not mean they alone elected the current President. In turn, the fact that some or even many persons involved with ACORN may have behaved badly, until specific persons are tried and convicted, they remain innocent before the law. You might wish to re read the Bill of Rights with regard to "a bill of attainder" which is precisely what some dufus Congress critter authored recently in re ACORN. Now, as to RAIL TRANSIT, I defend to the death your right to your opinions, as I hope you do mine, but I also WANT the government which I do pay taxes to, to regulate and inspect for safety issues transit providers be they private or government owned/operated. That means I want "chinatown buses, Amtrak trains, and all of the subway and commuter or light rail systems to be safe just as I do all the airliners. Because WITHOUT EXCEPTION the rail transit agencies accept FTA money, they are subject to FTA audit of their spending--why not FRA audit of their safety practices? And I remind you, states rights was settled at Appomattox--its over. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Tue Nov 17 17:00:14 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Nov 17 16:10:48 2009. Obviously as a right winger I totally disagree. You may recall the issue with Acorn is very deep. My specific concern is the fact that they tampered with the voting process. |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Tue Nov 17 17:19:23 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by rbseabeach on Tue Nov 17 15:20:28 2009. Why does politics have to be presented in a forum like this? Dwelling on the past 8 years before Obama, whether you are an R or a D, is not thinking. It is prejudice, ignorance and all those millions you speak of have fallen for the NEGGY HYPE that these wonderful people you speak of espouse. Remember, prejudice, ignorance and an abhorrance to progress, that's what occurred in the last U.S. Presidency. You can quote all the misedeeds of any politician you desire, you can't take the fact of your vote's results. You should support your President as it's our American duty, they way we were instructed to do as children by our parents, our church and our school. It's respectful, it's right and you don't like it. That's just too bad. You don't want to initiate a war of words in this subject (although you already have) because when you don't want to see, you never will. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Tue Nov 17 17:38:24 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by 156n3rd on Tue Nov 17 17:19:23 2009. Too Bad, I totally disagree and I am thankful for the freedom I was given by the American Military to disagree. I do agree with the notion of respecting our president and under normal circumstances I would and I do. Too bad that was not the case during the last eight years. You may recall the sick names President Bush was called. You may recall SNL and other jokes. I was a part of the RNC in NY in 2004. I saw the protestors and I saw the hateful signs.I also agree that two wrongs do not make a right. Fortunately, 2012 is around the corner and hopefully I will be more pleased with the results. |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Tue Nov 17 18:09:22 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by rbseabeach on Tue Nov 17 17:38:24 2009. George M. Cohan wrote that Americans "don't brag or boast". We don't have to as we know how good our country is, and that's all I have to say. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Nov 17 18:31:44 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Easy on Sun Nov 15 19:09:28 2009. You're assuming it would be properly staffed, competant, with peoples best interest in mind though. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Nov 17 19:30:11 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by rbseabeach on Tue Nov 17 17:38:24 2009. When B. O. gets voted out of office, I'll be singing Happy Days Are Here Again. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Tue Nov 17 20:37:41 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Nov 15 14:30:00 2009. I'd for one love to see all those waivered "railroads" like SIRTOA and mine be locked in forever. Having worked for NYCT, it would be nice to have that federal hammer pounding out fines every time someone gets a brain storm of tinkering with brake pressures, signals, ordering excess hours of service or just getting rid of that industrial union setting that makes skilled labor lose. A craft union leadership for RTO would be the best thing that could ever happen to a motorman or conductor there. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Nov 17 21:53:33 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by rbseabeach on Tue Nov 17 17:00:14 2009. tampered with voting, eh? So were they emulating Richard I (Daley) of Kathleen Harris? Were they playing the poll tax or;iteracy test games? Or were they just doing the vpoter intimidation at the polls routine such as Rehnquist did when he was a young Republican? Do some research on Frank Rizzo's last time getting elected in Philly. There is dirt there too. Crooked election tactics, which I DO NOT defend, are in fact pretty damn common in our history. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Nov 17 21:59:16 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 15 20:47:54 2009. and some increase in safety. The class act (and better financed) railroads did the cab signal/ATS upgrades and kept their high speed service until they decided the market did not care. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Nov 17 22:00:12 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Nov 17 18:31:44 2009. well, we can always hope, no? |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Nov 17 22:04:46 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by ctrabs74 on Sun Nov 15 23:16:21 2009. CTA from Wilson Ave north, Red, Purple, and Yellow all were chartered/built as mainline RRs w/freight service. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Nov 17 22:10:40 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Nov 15 19:15:42 2009. so, if you countenance Fed safety supervision of airlines, what makes rail transit such an issue. As noted in other parts of this thread, the impetus here is an interstate/district operation--other than the Feds, what government entity has Constitutional authority to regulate same? Perhaps you object to Federal crashworthiness standards for autos? |
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Posted by MGL on Wed Nov 18 01:10:02 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 17 03:22:16 2009. Sorry, I fail at following your line of logic.If you would like to take a moment to propose a solution to the problem, I would be interested. The facts speak for them selves, passengers and employees have been dieing, unnecessarily on this nations rapid transit railroads and light rail systems. If you don't think there is a problem, that needs remediation, then disregard my post. Michael |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 02:00:42 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by MGL on Wed Nov 18 01:10:02 2009. Get used to Olog ... he probably thinks you're German ... and not worth your trouble in going over to OT to read up on his malfunction. Just keep it moving, and nobody gets hurt. :) |
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Posted by MGL on Wed Nov 18 02:47:34 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 02:00:42 2009. ThanksMichael |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Wed Nov 18 17:44:14 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by rbseabeach on Tue Nov 17 15:08:24 2009. Mr. Haliburton |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Nov 18 18:29:11 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by rbseabeach on Tue Nov 17 15:08:24 2009. Cheney shit his pants at 9/11 and brought fear to our children.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 18:36:50 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by rbseabeach on Tue Nov 17 15:08:24 2009. This needs to be moved to OT if this is where it's going ... |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Wed Nov 18 19:21:09 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Fred G on Wed Nov 18 18:29:11 2009. At least we now have a commander in chief (What a joke) that bows to leaders around the world. Nice! What's next a friendly game of hoops with Kim Jun IL? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 19:22:51 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by rbseabeach on Wed Nov 18 19:21:09 2009. About all one CAN do is bow when one cannot afford bullets. :( |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Wed Nov 18 19:25:11 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 19:22:51 2009. Absolutely, at least we can afford to go on dates to see a Broadway Show in NY. I wonder how much that cost us? |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Nov 18 20:12:08 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by rbseabeach on Wed Nov 18 19:25:11 2009. A lot less than our date with Iraq has cost us. Cheneyburton.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 18 21:32:51 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by rbseabeach on Wed Nov 18 19:25:11 2009. Been a long time since there's been anything I've been interested in aside from Spamalot, which was great ... :) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Nov 19 08:18:47 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by rbseabeach on Wed Nov 18 19:21:09 2009. Obamanable should stay in China or North Korea or Cuba if he embraces socialism as much as he appears to. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Thu Nov 19 10:08:35 2009, in response to Re: Obama administration proposing federal oversight of subways and light rail, posted by Fred G on Wed Nov 18 20:12:08 2009. True, the Iraq war that Hillary voted for, the Iraq war & the WMD's that were on the front page of the NY SLimes, the Iraq war that toppled Saddam and liberated millions, etc...If the Iraq war was such a bad idea why didn't the community organizer pull out all of the troups on January 22 2009? Also... we went into Iraq in March 2003; that was 18 repeat EIGHTEEN months after 9/11? What do think our leader was doing in those 18 months? Suppose we did not go into Iraq and there were WMD's and we were hit again, then what? whose fault would it have been then? This clown pushed a stimulus package through in ONE MONTH after being sworn in. No one even read the dam bill. Now he is trying to do the same with Socialized medicine. He wanted it passed by the end of August.. or EIGHT months after being annointed. No one read those 2000 pages either. Nice.. His approval rating thankfully is dropping faster than the R-42's. Oh and by the way the reason why he is not making a decision about sending troups to Afganistan ("The war of necessity") is he does not want to upset the radical left whom he needs to ram through the socialized medicine debacle. |
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