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Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Oct 13 19:02:45 2009

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Shot from the Bryn Marw platform on the Red line, the first married pair of the CTA's new 5000 series featuring AC traction motors rests on north side's track number one. The cars had been running back and forth between two stations with the supervisor at track level in the middle, so I assume they were testing emergency stopping with a portable track trip. The Bombardier built cars are deliberately designed clones of the 3200 series design.

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Some of the first tests seemed to be full service stops. Here the test cars get underway, only to stop again. The north car, 5011 was carrying the team of researchers with their battery of lap tops.


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Caught in action from a southbound Red line train, the LED display doesn't seem to be turned on. Later it did read, "Not In Service" but the signage isn't as bright as those on CTA buses. My vote...bring back the roll signs.

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This is how the day began, an eight car drag went to Skokie Shops from Howard Yard to pick up the 5000s. The eight cars would be split in half and two deuces would be the horses used to drag the 5000s to the tests. The other two deuces would serve as buffers. They went through this process as insurance against the untested cars breaking down and fouling the important Howard interlockings.

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Shot from the end of the Howard ST platform, four "horses" drag the test set through the Howard complex, on their way to track one. The buffer cars would follow. The four car sets would be placed at either end of track one leaving about three miles of open track. I swear they were doing 70 MPH on one runby.

David Harrison


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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by 9 Local on Tue Oct 13 19:07:14 2009, in response to Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Oct 13 19:02:45 2009.

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So, this is a get-your-pictures-of-2200s-and-2400s-while-you-still-can sort of situation from here on out? Nice shots of the new cars, btw!

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by randyo on Tue Oct 13 19:12:20 2009, in response to Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Oct 13 19:02:45 2009.

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Do these cars have the same type of cineston controller like the 3200s or do they have a joystick like the 2800s? Also why did CTA continue the use of the full sized marker lights instead of the cluster of LEDs in a single housing like the PATH PA4s? CTA cars look a bit lopsided if the right and left markers are different colors. Cluster style markers would look a bit more symmetrical.

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by arnine on Tue Oct 13 19:20:58 2009, in response to Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Oct 13 19:02:45 2009.

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Sorry for my ignorance never been in Chicago (well, outside of O'hare anyways) but they look the same as current care with slight differences, am I correct in this?

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Oct 13 19:38:53 2009, in response to Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Oct 13 19:02:45 2009.

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I presume the 5000s will be compatible with earlier cars, correct?

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Oct 13 19:46:52 2009, in response to Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by 9 Local on Tue Oct 13 19:07:14 2009.

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Thanks. There's years before any of those series are gone. Of course if there had still been the 2016.......well that's water under the bridge. Hopefully there won't be a rush to "reef" our cars. Wonder if a reef could be built in Lake Michigan. Wait a minute.... Hell NO! That's where we get our drinking water from.

David Harrison

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Oct 13 19:50:43 2009, in response to Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by randyo on Tue Oct 13 19:12:20 2009.

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I heard the controllers would be the same as the 3200s. Less bias against left-handed operators you know.

Best answer about the marker lights is that all of the other series use the same design. If it ain't broke....you know the rest. I've always like our brand of symmetry...they don't look lopsided to me.

David Harrison

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Oct 13 19:52:23 2009, in response to Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Oct 13 19:38:53 2009.

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I presume the 5000s will be compatible with earlier cars, correct?

They're not electrically compatible.

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Oct 13 19:54:37 2009, in response to Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by arnine on Tue Oct 13 19:20:58 2009.

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Yes, a very definite plan that they be designed the same. The 3200s are considered to be quite successful. There were three design groups of 3200s you know, plain vanilla, ones with catwalks for the pantographs, and ones with indentations in the roof for catwalk installation.

David Harrison

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Oct 13 19:56:11 2009, in response to Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Oct 13 19:38:53 2009.

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Almost totally incompatible....these new cars are AC propulsion. The cars can mechanically couple, but that's all.

David Harrison

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Oct 13 19:56:36 2009, in response to Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Oct 13 19:02:45 2009.

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So much for this...



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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by 156n3rd on Tue Oct 13 20:07:59 2009, in response to Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Oct 13 19:56:36 2009.

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That looks much too international to ride in the U.S. Besides the new cars could pass for modern Budd units with that side ribbing. Not ugly, but un-original.

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Oct 13 20:18:41 2009, in response to Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by 156n3rd on Tue Oct 13 20:07:59 2009.

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Here's a 3200 for comparison.

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Oct 13 20:45:20 2009, in response to Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Oct 13 19:56:36 2009.

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Did you ever see an artisit conception of the M-7, I have ?

It was basically an M-3 with pantograph gates !

Bill Newkirk

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by arnine on Tue Oct 13 21:04:33 2009, in response to Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Oct 13 19:54:37 2009.

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Ah cool, I will have ta get out to Chicago sometime maybe after this winter

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by 9 Local on Tue Oct 13 21:23:06 2009, in response to Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Oct 13 19:56:11 2009.

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Keep in mind that WMATA after extensive testing started running DC cars with AC cars, and it seems to work out just fine (how often do you see a train of 4000 series Bredas). So, if it works out in testing, they might be able to trainline, who knows. But I doubt it as well.

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Oct 13 21:41:14 2009, in response to Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by 9 Local on Tue Oct 13 21:23:06 2009.

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From all my sources, there are no plans to mix them. This will mark the third time that the CTA fleet will have an incompatibility. Back in the 1950s, when the PCC 6000s were purchased, they were unable to run with the wood/steel cars and the 4000 series steels. Then in the 1960s, the Pullman 2000s were the first high performance cars and they couldn't run with the PCCs. Now the AC high performances can't run with the other high performance cars...2200s through 3200s. In the late 90s and early 00s, there was a slight non conformance....pantograph equipment was needed for the Yellow/Skokie. Today Howard will assign Red line 2600s or Evanston 2400s there. But some operators really don't like the 2400s. All the catwalk equipped 3200s went to the Brown in exchange, but this morning I saw one back on the Yerllow.

David Harrison

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by Union Turnpike on Tue Oct 13 23:19:04 2009, in response to Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Oct 13 19:02:45 2009.

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C.T.A. is resurecting the name 5000 series? Nice pictures. IIRC, the original 5000 series was a test set like the R11/R34s were.

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Oct 14 00:05:32 2009, in response to Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by Union Turnpike on Tue Oct 13 23:19:04 2009.

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Thanks. The original 5000s , back in 1945 were compartment cars and they were articulated. Two sets came from St. Louis Car Company and two came from Pullman. Together they equaled an eight car CRT/CTA "L". I believe they were most like your Blue Birds, and not the R11/34.

David Harrison

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Oct 14 00:26:10 2009, in response to Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Oct 13 19:02:45 2009.

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on the same track where the PCC high soeeds hit 76.1 so many years ago

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Oct 14 00:27:03 2009, in response to Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Oct 14 00:26:10 2009.

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And forgot to say thanks for the nice pix and info

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by randyo on Wed Oct 14 00:54:32 2009, in response to Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Oct 14 00:05:32 2009.

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That would be correct. I have a video called "Streamlining Chicago" which has some shots of the BMT Bluebird being tested on the Sea Beach Line and also entering Dekalb Ave. There were also publicity drawings and postcards showing a car identical to the BMT Bluebird operating in the State Street Subway. I would venture to say that the closest cars to the BMT Bluebird are the CRT/CTA articulated units. By the way is there any information as to why CRT and its successor the CTA used streetcar style blinker doors rather than sliding doors that were in use on conventional rapid transit cars, including the Bluebird, up to that time?

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Oct 14 01:17:49 2009, in response to Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Oct 13 19:02:45 2009.

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Thanks for sharing these!

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by RAILFAN_7_40ST on Wed Oct 14 01:41:58 2009, in response to Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by arnine on Tue Oct 13 19:20:58 2009.

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yes, i was gonna say the samething.
this looks like just a retro version.


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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by RAILFAN_7_40ST on Wed Oct 14 01:49:00 2009, in response to Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Oct 13 20:45:20 2009.

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post it..

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by RAILFAN_7_40ST on Wed Oct 14 01:50:54 2009, in response to Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Oct 13 19:02:45 2009.

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great pics and thanks for sharing.

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Oct 14 07:58:18 2009, in response to Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by 9 Local on Tue Oct 13 21:23:06 2009.

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Denver's Siemens SD-100 LRVs with DC motors can and do operate with SD-160s with AC motors. They seem to go through phases of intermixing cars alternating with running solid trains. It's been more of the latter of late.

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Oct 14 08:00:16 2009, in response to Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Oct 13 19:02:45 2009.

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I find it interesting that they skipped the 4000 sequence. Are the 4000s venerated to such a degree or was it some other decision?

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Oct 14 09:13:34 2009, in response to Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by 156n3rd on Tue Oct 13 20:07:59 2009.

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That looks much too international to ride in the U.S.

It's the same carbody, just updated windscreens and headlight modules (and throwback '70s paint scheme).

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Oct 14 09:25:03 2009, in response to Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by RAILFAN_7_40ST on Wed Oct 14 01:49:00 2009.

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I can't post it, but I could e-mail you the image and you can post it if you like.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Oct 14 09:27:49 2009, in response to Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by Union Turnpike on Tue Oct 13 23:19:04 2009.

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C.T.A. is resurecting the name 5000 series? Nice pictures. IIRC, the original 5000 series was a test set like the R11/R34s were.

IINM, CTA doesn't duplicate numbers between the subway and bus fleets. Really the 2000s, 4000s, 6000s, etc. have also been "resurrected," but as buses.

Old 5000s, in service 1947-1985:



Only four trains were built; three survive (as of February).

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Oct 14 09:28:48 2009, in response to Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Oct 14 08:00:16 2009.

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I find it interesting that they skipped the 4000 sequence. Are the 4000s venerated to such a degree or was it some other decision?

4000s are New Flyer artics.

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Oct 14 10:02:08 2009, in response to Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Oct 14 00:26:10 2009.

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And that track carried freight at night and North Shore interurbans too. Today it's in better shape then track four, its northbound equivalent, which is saddled with speed restrictions.

David Harrison

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Oct 14 10:03:49 2009, in response to Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Oct 14 00:27:03 2009.

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You are certainly welcome.

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Oct 14 10:44:26 2009, in response to Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by randyo on Wed Oct 14 00:54:32 2009.

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I don't have specific info at hand about the choice of blinker type doors for "L" equipment, but the use was quite extensive. Introduced on the four articulated 5000 cars, blinkers came on the 770 PCCs, the 180 Pullman high performance cars, and the 150 Budd 2200 series. The 2400 series was advertised as having two-part sliding doors to accomodate wheelchairs, implying that if that hadn't been a legal requirement, that blinker doors might have still been used..my conjecture here.

The only official detriment to blinker doors was expressed by management following a fiery crash between a PCC streetcar and a gasoline truck. Management felt that many deaths were caused by the crush of passengers against the blinker doors that kept the doors from opening inwards to allow for escape. Still the design was applied to cars received after that fatal incident. Management insisted however that doors be able to be opened without power in an emergency.

David Harrison

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Oct 14 10:45:07 2009, in response to Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Oct 14 01:17:49 2009.

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You are certainly welcome.

David Harrison

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Oct 14 10:46:20 2009, in response to Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by RAILFAN_7_40ST on Wed Oct 14 01:50:54 2009.

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Glad you enjoyed them. Yesterday was the only day with any sunshine this week.

David Harrison

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Oct 14 10:49:35 2009, in response to Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Oct 13 19:46:52 2009.

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There's worse stuff in Lake Michigan.

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Oct 14 10:50:14 2009, in response to Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Oct 13 19:02:45 2009.

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Nice photos, great looking cars (even though they don't look any much different from the 3200s.)

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Oct 14 10:50:26 2009, in response to Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by randyo on Tue Oct 13 19:12:20 2009.

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Don't you know? In Chicago, if it ain't crooked, it ain't 'right'. :)

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Oct 14 10:51:31 2009, in response to Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Oct 14 08:00:16 2009.

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I would guess that the historical cars , 4271/4272, still on the property and still used might have had a bearing on the series number. And the CTA has historically used a new number series to designate a fleet of cars incompatible with other cars. The 6000s brought in the PCC fleet. Don't know how the 1-50s fit into that. Then the 2000s brought in the air conditioned, high performance series which rolled over into the 3000s. So, maybe it was just that the 5000 number was next in line.

David Harrison

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Oct 14 10:52:40 2009, in response to Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Oct 13 21:41:14 2009.

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Do Skokie trains run through?

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Oct 14 10:53:45 2009, in response to Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Oct 14 10:50:14 2009.

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Thanks. So you're saying they carried out their plans well.

David Harrison

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Oct 14 11:17:36 2009, in response to Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Oct 14 10:52:40 2009.

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No, Skokie trains, the Yellow line only runs between Dempster AV and Howard ST. There has never been any plan to extend the operation past Howard. A mid point station is now planned for Oakton ST. On the north end, extending the line to Old Orchard Shopping Mall has been a dream for 40 years and the LPA for this was approved by the CTA board, but a loud contingent appeared at the next level of hearings to voice typical NIMBY objectons.

David Harrison

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Oct 14 13:06:02 2009, in response to Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Oct 14 10:02:08 2009.

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yup, been on CNSM and remember the freights

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Oct 14 13:33:33 2009, in response to Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Oct 14 10:45:07 2009.

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One question: Are the LED signs multi color? I hope so, otherwise telling trains apart might be harder.

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Oct 14 13:51:06 2009, in response to Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Oct 14 13:33:33 2009.

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Think of the movie, "Ole Yeller." Unless this is a feature that wasn't turned on yet. I think not. Does any other system use multicolored LEDs?

David Harrison

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Oct 14 13:59:16 2009, in response to Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Oct 14 11:17:36 2009.

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No, Skokie trains, the Yellow line only runs between Dempster AV and Howard ST. There has never been any plan to extend the operation past Howard.

It has been discussed at the planning level, but the rebuilding of Dempster Street to a two-car station is a big obstacle.

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Wed Oct 14 14:16:11 2009, in response to Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Oct 13 19:02:45 2009.

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Nice pictures, Dave. How many 5000s are planned for the CTA?

--Mark

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Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS)

Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Wed Oct 14 14:17:25 2009, in response to Re: Here Ya Go...CTA New 5000 ACs (PHOTOS), posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Oct 14 13:59:16 2009.

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Beg pardon....I have never heard of any discussion to extend the Yellow south of Howard ST. And the Dempster Skokie is already a two car platform. It's been that way since the 5000s were converted to 51-54.

David Harrison

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