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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sat Sep 12 21:19:06 2009, in response to Re: South 4th Street, posted by MattW@15st_prospect_park on Sat Sep 12 20:15:18 2009. When are we gonna chill at the pizzeria? |
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Re: Middle Track |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Sep 12 22:03:56 2009, in response to Re: Middle Track, posted by xtimx on Sat Sep 12 17:49:49 2009. Wasn't there supposed to be some Second System line continuing under Lafayette Ave, from Bedford-Nostrand? But, it's not shown on the 1939 Second System map that I have. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Sat Sep 12 22:28:38 2009, in response to Re: Middle Track, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Sep 12 22:03:56 2009. That's because that route was in the 1931 plans for the IND Second System. |
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Re: Middle Track |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sat Sep 12 23:52:02 2009, in response to Re: Middle Track, posted by bigrene22 on Sat Sep 12 22:28:38 2009. I didn't know about a 1931 plan for the IND Second System.There was a plan in 1929 and in 1939 and neither had a route for Lafayette Ave runing east of Bedford/Nostrand. Strange since there was supposed to be a line along Lafayette. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sat Sep 12 23:58:08 2009, in response to Re: Middle Track, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Sep 12 22:03:56 2009. I didn't see it on the 1939 AND 1929 IND Second System maps I have. Bigrene says the route was in the 1931 plans for the IND Second System. I didn't know there was a 1931 plan. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Sun Sep 13 00:22:56 2009, in response to Re: Middle Track, posted by daDouce Man on Sat Sep 12 23:58:08 2009. The 1931 plan for the IND Second System was that the middle track at Beford-Nostrand Avenue station was supposed to be a line running under Lafayette Avenue, and would of turned north on Stanhope Street to the Myrtle/Central Avenue line to the Rockaways, Queens. |
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Re: South 4th Street |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Sun Sep 13 00:27:54 2009, in response to Re: South 4th Street, posted by MattW@15st_prospect_park on Sat Sep 12 15:38:12 2009. BTW, cool pic. |
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Re: Middle Track |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Sun Sep 13 00:46:56 2009, in response to Re: Middle Track, posted by bigrene22 on Sun Sep 13 00:22:56 2009. If the line was built, the middle track at Beford-Nostrand Avenue was most likely supposed to be for terminating trains on, like an off-peak terminal. The middle trackway at Classon Avenue was supposed to be a turning track. What's weird is that there's no room for a 3rd trackway between Classon and Bedford-Nostrand Avenue stations. The middle track at Bedford-Nostrand splits into two tracks east and west of the station, and ends with bumper blocks. I can't tell where the middle tracks east of Bedford-Nostrand ends, because the middle tracks ramps down to an lower level. |
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Re: Middle Track |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Sep 13 00:50:30 2009, in response to Re: Middle Track, posted by bigrene22 on Sun Sep 13 00:22:56 2009. Was the 1931 plan different that the 1929 plan?Or an update? Or what? |
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Posted by MattW@15st_prospect_park on Sun Sep 13 00:58:25 2009, in response to Re: South 4th Street, posted by daDouce Man on Sat Sep 12 21:12:41 2009. Saddly, it is not the most up todate one. It does not show the current configuration of the employee bathroom which is now directly infront o the booth but inside fare control just past the second set of stairs to the platform. |
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Re: Middle Track |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Sun Sep 13 01:02:10 2009, in response to Re: Middle Track, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Sep 13 00:50:30 2009. Pretty much an update. |
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Re: Middle Track |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Sep 13 01:02:46 2009, in response to Re: Middle Track, posted by bigrene22 on Sun Sep 13 00:46:56 2009. I don't think the middle tracks doesn't go too far east of Bedford/Nostrand. I have heard revenue collection trains can go in there to allow a regular G train to run by. So the tracks are roughly at least a train length long. |
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Re: Middle Track |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Sun Sep 13 01:03:14 2009, in response to Re: Middle Track, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Sep 13 00:50:30 2009. It's just a revision of the 1929 plan. |
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Re: South 4th Street |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Sep 13 01:04:06 2009, in response to Re: South 4th Street, posted by MattW@15st_prospect_park on Sat Sep 12 15:38:12 2009. Any other pictures of South 4th Street in your collection? |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Sep 13 01:06:32 2009, in response to Re: Middle Track, posted by bigrene22 on Sun Sep 13 01:02:10 2009. I would have thought by 1931 the 1929 Second System plans would have been defered for a future time. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Sep 13 01:07:06 2009, in response to Re: Middle Track, posted by bigrene22 on Sun Sep 13 01:03:14 2009. You got that map? |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Sun Sep 13 01:07:20 2009, in response to Re: Middle Track, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Sep 13 01:02:46 2009. Well, at least those tracks are longer than the tail tracks east of the 2nd Avenue station. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Sun Sep 13 01:08:20 2009, in response to Re: Middle Track, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Sep 13 01:07:06 2009. Nope. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Sep 13 01:11:47 2009, in response to Re: South 4th Street, posted by MattW@15st_prospect_park on Sun Sep 13 00:58:25 2009. It shows the station as I saw it back in 1989 amd probably shows the station as how it was when it opened in 1937. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Sep 13 01:15:29 2009, in response to Re: Middle Track, posted by bigrene22 on Sun Sep 13 01:07:20 2009. The last time I was over at 2nd Avenue I got the impression there was a tin wall built. Probably to prevent homeless from camping out on the roadbed. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Sun Sep 13 01:21:08 2009, in response to Re: Middle Track, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Sep 13 01:15:29 2009. Correct. A corrugated metal wall was put there in around 1990. From what I seen, the tail tracks seems to ramp up to an upper level before ending. I could see that when it was possible from standing on the RFW of an R32/R40M/R42 F train. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Sep 13 01:30:56 2009, in response to Re: Middle Track, posted by bigrene22 on Sun Sep 13 01:21:08 2009. I noticed that also. The corrugated metal wall seemed to be moving up hill as the F train was leaving 2 Ave and turning south toward Delancey. |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Sun Sep 13 01:33:16 2009, in response to Re: Middle Track, posted by bigrene22 on Sun Sep 13 01:21:08 2009. From my observations, B5 and B6 track remain at the same level as B1 track. B2 track has to dip and rise when approaching 2nd Avenue. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Sep 13 02:17:52 2009, in response to Re: South 4th Street, posted by daDouce Man on Sat Sep 12 16:31:13 2009. and green..you can't forget about the green paint all over that place. |
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Re: tail track |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Sun Sep 13 09:38:59 2009, in response to South 4th Street, posted by bigrene22 on Sat Sep 12 15:02:05 2009. I know this is a bit off-topic, but thanks to Tunnel Rat and randyo, I now know that there was a layup track east of the Roosevelt Avenue-Jackson Heights station. This layup track was on that ramp up to the unused upper level, trackless tunnel. In the interlocking machine in the station tower, there are spare levers for the necessary signals and switches. If you look carefully, you can see where the track was once displayed on the model board, but have been painted out. The unused trackless ramp leading to the S/B track, there is a homeball signal "D1-1415" which has the lower portion lenses covered over. That layup track was obviously there when the IND Roosevelt Avenue station was the last stop on the Queens Blvd Line from 1933 to when the line was extended to Union Turnpike-Kew Gardens station in 1936. In late 1936 or early 1937 is when the Jamaica Yard was opened, and that layup track was taken out. What's funny about this is that the ramp leading to the S/B track east of Roosevelt Avenue was built for the IND Second System. I don't know where that layup track ended. Another interesting note is that the unused upper level Roosevelt Avenue station was built for 8 cars of the 60ft train cars (R1/9's anyone?). |
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Re: Middle Track |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Sep 13 14:44:48 2009, in response to Re: Middle Track, posted by trains61 on Sat Sep 12 19:12:32 2009. When I was the zone trainmaster in that area in 1983, I had occasion to ride the line which I had also done in years before I even came to work for the TA and I was always surprised that the tracks DO converge between Classon Av and Bedford/Nostrand and spread out again just S/O Bed/Nost station. I would have thought that the third trackway would be continuous but it is not. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Sun Sep 13 14:55:26 2009, in response to Re: Middle Track, posted by randyo on Sun Sep 13 14:44:48 2009. I've noticed that there is no 3rd trackway between Classon Avenue and Bedford-Nostrand Avenue either. |
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Posted by Think twice on Sun Sep 13 15:17:42 2009, in response to Re: South 4th Street, posted by MattW@15st_prospect_park on Sat Sep 12 19:39:51 2009. Incredible map!Looks like the IND planners wanted the city to widen South 4th Street along it's entire southern half then carve out a new street to Beaver Street/Bushwick Ave. I wonder why they were so desperate to avoid building under Broadway (in they same way they were building under Fulton Street). View New York City Subway Fantasy Map: IND Second System Map 1939/1940 plan in a larger map |
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Posted by Think twice on Sun Sep 13 15:18:38 2009, in response to Re: South 4th Street, posted by MattW@15st_prospect_park on Sat Sep 12 19:39:51 2009. Thanks for posting it! |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Sun Sep 13 15:28:36 2009, in response to Re: South 4th Street, posted by Think twice on Sun Sep 13 15:18:38 2009. Just remember, you have to think twice! |
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Posted by MattW@15st_prospect_park on Sun Sep 13 15:29:08 2009, in response to Re: South 4th Street, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Sep 13 01:04:06 2009. Several. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Sun Sep 13 15:34:38 2009, in response to Re: South 4th Street, posted by MattW@15st_prospect_park on Sun Sep 13 15:29:08 2009. Well post them here matted33. |
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Posted by MattW@15st_prospect_park on Sun Sep 13 15:37:30 2009, in response to Re: South 4th Street, posted by Think twice on Sun Sep 13 15:18:38 2009. Not a problem. |
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Re: Middle Track |
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Posted by MattW@15st_prospect_park on Sun Sep 13 15:40:13 2009, in response to Re: Middle Track, posted by randyo on Sun Sep 13 14:44:48 2009. Thanks, thats what I have been saying but some people think that there is a 3rd track way between the two. |
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Posted by MattW@15st_prospect_park on Sun Sep 13 16:10:28 2009, in response to Re: South 4th Street, posted by MattW@15st_prospect_park on Sat Sep 12 15:38:12 2009. Pics moved here.         Enjoy! |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Sun Sep 13 16:11:36 2009, in response to Re: South 4th Street, posted by MattW@15st_prospect_park on Sun Sep 13 16:10:28 2009. Cool pics! Thanx! |
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Posted by VictorM on Sun Sep 13 16:24:04 2009, in response to South 4th Street, posted by bigrene22 on Sat Sep 12 15:02:05 2009. Link with photos |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Sep 13 17:32:14 2009, in response to Re: South 4th Street, posted by Edwards! on Sun Sep 13 02:17:52 2009. I never noticed any green paint at the shell station. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Sun Sep 13 17:34:25 2009, in response to Re: South 4th Street, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Sep 13 17:32:14 2009. Look at the pics of the station at the LTV Squad website, and then you will see it. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Sep 13 18:03:49 2009, in response to Re: South 4th Street, posted by bigrene22 on Sun Sep 13 15:34:38 2009. If Matt posts his pictures, I hope he identfies where on the station the photos are takrn. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Sun Sep 13 18:06:04 2009, in response to Re: South 4th Street, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Sep 13 18:03:49 2009. One question: How come no one has never taken pictures of the bellmouths in the system? |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Sep 13 18:08:22 2009, in response to Re: South 4th Street, posted by bigrene22 on Sun Sep 13 17:34:25 2009. If I can find the website. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Sun Sep 13 18:10:15 2009, in response to Re: South 4th Street, posted by bigrene22 on Sun Sep 13 17:34:25 2009. Here: http://ltvsquad.com/ |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Sun Sep 13 18:11:01 2009, in response to Re: South 4th Street, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Sep 13 18:08:22 2009. Here: http://ltvsquad.com/ |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Sep 13 18:12:17 2009, in response to Re: South 4th Street, posted by bigrene22 on Sun Sep 13 18:06:04 2009. I'm sure people have their reasons. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Sun Sep 13 18:13:42 2009, in response to Re: South 4th Street, posted by daDouce Man on Sun Sep 13 18:12:17 2009. To avoid getting shocked by the 3rd rail. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Sep 13 18:15:33 2009, in response to Re: South 4th Street, posted by bigrene22 on Sun Sep 13 18:13:42 2009. That's one of them. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Sep 13 20:28:59 2009, in response to Re: South 4th Street, posted by bigrene22 on Sun Sep 13 17:34:25 2009. Oh..I didn't see the picture of it from "their" site...Went there with a cop friend of mine years ago..sadly disappointed that nothing ever became of this subway.. Would have been VERY useful. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Sep 13 20:44:33 2009, in response to Re: Middle Track, posted by trains61 on Sat Sep 12 19:02:48 2009. No..there isn't.It may have been your home station..but you are wrong here.. There is an crossover right outside the station[Bedford]..come together for a short length..then open to a crossover trackway..then into the station...then another crossover...then normal tunnel. From the way the track bed looks..it appears as if there use to be track and third rail there at one time. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Sep 13 20:48:01 2009, in response to Re: Middle Track, posted by trains61 on Sat Sep 12 19:25:12 2009. You are WRONG...WRONG..WRONG...!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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