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Color Photo of B&O National Limited at CNJ Broad Street, Elizabeth NJ

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 24 22:18:06 2009

Photo is dated 8/27/57. Very clean locomotives, eh? (That's Cherry Street bridge in the background, indeed; the train is crossing over Union Street.)

Kudos to one Bob Krone.



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Re: Color Photo of B&O National Limited at CNJ Broad Street, Elizabeth NJ

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Apr 24 22:40:05 2009, in response to Color Photo of B&O National Limited at CNJ Broad Street, Elizabeth NJ, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 24 22:18:06 2009.

nice!

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More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 24 22:52:40 2009, in response to Color Photo of B&O National Limited at CNJ Broad Street, Elizabeth NJ, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 24 22:18:06 2009.

Mr. Krone has some remarkable work.

More of his stuff: Same date, and a CNJ train being pulled by a Baldwin double-ender (A1A-A1A, dual-service, two cabs). Passing by Smith Cadillac on West Grand Street.



This one's quite remarkable. The Reading Crusader; same cars as the streamlined Pacifics hauled, but this time with two FP7s pulling 'em. Going towards Reading Terminal in Philly. (Same date as above. Note today's NEC far in the background.)



Different date (7/25/56); westbound B&O #3, the Diplomat, heading for St. Louis.



Now some sad contrast. Different photographer (Charles J. Freericks), and two decades later (10/15/78). Conrail shops drill headed for Elizabethport; looks like it was taken from the Cherry Street bridge, so that's the Chilton Street bridge in the background. (NJT used to do this before the MMC opened; used to see F40PHs and Comet IIs.)

This pic makes you want to live in 1957, don't it? (It ain't me stuck in 1957; it's NJDOT.)



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Re: Color Photo of B&O National Limited at CNJ Broad Street, Elizabeth NJ

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 24 22:53:47 2009, in response to Re: Color Photo of B&O National Limited at CNJ Broad Street, Elizabeth NJ, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Apr 24 22:40:05 2009.

Really is. Looks like it could have been from today.

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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Apr 24 23:14:39 2009, in response to More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 24 22:52:40 2009.

EXCELLENT PICS!

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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 25 00:05:04 2009, in response to Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Apr 24 23:14:39 2009.

Stunning pix, I'd say. Shows what the CNJ main really used to be about. The other NEC.

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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by WillD on Sat Apr 25 00:10:47 2009, in response to Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 25 00:05:04 2009.

The other NEC.

In the same sense that Hydrox is the "other" Oreo? This was the one consisting entirely of 25 foot bolted stick rail and a 79mph maximum speed. The one with no cab signalling, no electrification, and a passenger service that clung to life until the ICC let them put it out of its misery?

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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 25 00:30:48 2009, in response to Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by WillD on Sat Apr 25 00:10:47 2009.

You're pretty dumb tonight, aren't you? The pix are from the time the ICC started attacking passenger rail in earnest. (1956 and 1957. I know the brilliant color might trick you into thinking these pix are from the 21st Century and all, but really, they're from over a half-century ago.

The PRR was in a similar condition until the magical NECIP came along, remember, or maybe the rails were worse. (Apart from the electrification, that is.) And it's jointed rail, not "stick rail" (which was all over the PRR main back then too); it's not 25-foot sections either, so you show your utter ignorance yet again.

Call us when you finally grow up.

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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 25 01:43:59 2009, in response to More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 24 22:52:40 2009.

Mr. Krone had a good day in Elizabeth on August 27, 1957. Here's a westbound freight at the CNJ Broad Street station . . .



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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by WillD on Sat Apr 25 02:42:43 2009, in response to Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 25 00:30:48 2009.

The pix are from the time the ICC started attacking passenger rail in earnest. (1956 and 1957. I know the brilliant color might trick you into thinking these pix are from the 21st Century and all, but really, they're from over a half-century ago.

So that's when they were weighed down by money losing passenger routes and lacked the financial wherewithall to make the sort of improvements the Pennsy did to make their service far more viable.

The PRR was in a similar condition until the magical NECIP came along, remember, or maybe the rails were worse. (Apart from the electrification, that is.)

And the cab signalling, and the electrification is a major improvement. Hell, the Pennsy built their own route into NYC while the also-rans stuck with lackluster ferry connections.

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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 25 02:55:42 2009, in response to Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by WillD on Sat Apr 25 02:42:43 2009.

Why don't you stop ruining a good thread.

So that's when they were weighed down by money losing passenger routes and lacked the financial wherewithall to make the sort of improvements the Pennsy did to make their service far more viable

No, the PRR had no such wherewithal to make improvements until they started getting federal money. Forgot that the PRR was gone ten years after that pic of the National Limited in the first post?

the cab signalling, and the electrification is a major improvement. Hell, the Pennsy built their own route into NYC while the also-rans stuck with lackluster ferry connections

The Pennsy had far better political connections. Maybe you forgot the PRR, at the time these photos were taken, was controlling the B&O? The C&O acquired the B&O in 1963. (The PRR had controlled the B&O from 1901.) And oh yeah, there was a brief period where the B&O's Royal Blue went to Penn Station.

As for the PRR, they held onto their "lackluster" ferry connection to Lower Manhattan from Jersey City for 50 years after NYP was built. They hadn't built NYP to handle all of their passenger traffic. Also, before the PRR stepped in, the B&O had their own plans to build their own terminal in Manhattan. So say "thank you, bad politics" for that situation.

Does this mean you are completely unable to enjoy the pics, BTW?

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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by WillD on Sat Apr 25 03:19:57 2009, in response to Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 25 02:55:42 2009.

No, the PRR had no such wherewithal to make improvements until they started getting federal money. Forgot that the PRR was gone ten years after that pic of the National Limited in the first post?

What federal money? The Pennsylvania accepted less than 100 million dollars in the 1930s to complete the electrification to Washington DC and they repaid the loans in full. That was the last federal funding the Pennsy would see until wartime payments for goods moved (at below market rate), the HSR development programs of the 1960s, and finally the Penn Central's loan received in 1970.

The Pennsy had far better political connections. Maybe you forgot the PRR, at the time these photos were taken, was controlling the B&O? The C&O acquired the B&O in 1963. (The PRR had controlled the B&O from 1901.)

And yet somehow the NEC at the time wasn't a weed choked line.

As for the PRR, they held onto their "lackluster" ferry connection to Lower Manhattan from Jersey City for 50 years after NYP was built. They hadn't built NYP to handle all of their passenger traffic.

Of course, and that was a major oversight. However, they did offer a direct trip into Manhattan on their own tracks. That is a big part of what made them The Standard Railroad of the World while the route you're attempting to cheer on was just an also ran.

Also, before the PRR stepped in, the B&O had their own plans to build their own terminal in Manhattan. So say "thank you, bad politics" for that situation.

Of course, it's all political, it's all a conspiracy. It must be so nice to place blame for every little problem you see with the world on the shoulders of some nameless conspiracy. It has nothing at all to do with the Pennsylvania occupying a superior route, investing in their infrastructure to provide superior service, or actually providing things like cab signalling. It all must be a conspiracy to destroy the railroad you liked.

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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 25 03:34:15 2009, in response to Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by WillD on Sat Apr 25 03:19:57 2009.

What federal money? The Pennsylvania accepted less than 100 million dollars in the 1930s to complete the electrification to Washington DC and they repaid the loans in full. That was the last federal funding the Pennsy would see until wartime payments for goods moved (at below market rate), the HSR development programs of the 1960s, and finally the Penn Central's loan received in 1970

You're moving the goal posts. And here I thought you meant the status quo at the time the photos were taken. A little event called World War II helped put the kibosh on proper maintenance and further improvements, and of course Eisenhower and successors slavishly gathering public money to throw at interstates and airports, making things even worse. So yes, the PRR required federal money to be able to bounce back as much as it could from those ravages. That's where the money for a lot of stuff like the Pioneer III and Metroliner came from (both of which ran on jointed rail, incidentally).

And yet somehow the NEC at the time wasn't a weed choked line

You must be focusing on one photograph, that one from 1978. (I did say which years these are from.) The ones of the CNJ from the 50s most definitely show absolutely no weeds on the main. Go ahead; look again. I won't stop you.

Of course, it's all political, it's all a conspiracy. It must be so nice to place blame for every little problem you see with the world on the shoulders of some nameless conspiracy. It has nothing at all to do with the Pennsylvania occupying a superior route, investing in their infrastructure to provide superior service, or actually providing things like cab signalling. It all must be a conspiracy to destroy the railroad you liked

You've obviously done no studying whatosever into either the history of US railroads, or politics. What do you not understand about the PRR owning the B&O from 1901 to 1963? If the B&O had remained independent and had the backing of well-heeled financiers, the CNJ, Reading and B&O mains going from New York to Washington DC would have been invested in just as heavily, back in the early half of the 20th Century. No conspiracy theory; this is plain reality. (Maybe you forgot about what the PRR did to the CNJ's Blue Comet, in spite of having an inferior and much-longer route for their own Nellie Bly?)

Still no comment about the pics? They're some outstanding color pics. What kind of chemicals do you ingest on the weekend that make you lose focus on reality so badly?

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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by Dave on Sat Apr 25 07:28:12 2009, in response to More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 24 22:52:40 2009.

The engine in the top photo is a Baldwin "Baby Face" DR-6-4-2000.

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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 25 12:31:12 2009, in response to Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by WillD on Sat Apr 25 00:10:47 2009.

What do you expect? The CNJ was fighting bankruptcy at this time.

These pics rock. Nothing from this era I've seen has been of this high quality.

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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 25 13:34:38 2009, in response to Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 25 12:31:12 2009.

These pics rock. Nothing from this era I've seen has been of this high quality.

Now why can't everyone's reaction be exactly like that . . . ? Sad that some people are impervious to the pix themselves, and instead latch on to my entirely-accurate description of that corridor at the time, "[t]he other NEC".

The Crusader was certainly one of the fastest trains on that corridor (top speed 90 mph); those cars in the pic are part of the original five-car consist, air-conditioned, obs cars on each end, and at the time that pic was taken, only 19 years old . . . the FP7s had replaced the streamlined Pacifics only five years before that shot (which was too bad, since the tenders of the G1sa Pacifics wrapped around the obs cars to magnify the streamlined effect).

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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 25 13:47:52 2009, in response to Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 25 13:34:38 2009.

The Crusader was the route from Philly via West Trenton and Bound Brook, right?

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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Apr 25 14:08:47 2009, in response to Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 25 03:34:15 2009.

PRR control of B%O was long over when those pix were taken. The 'controlling stockholders' were in fact a bunch of Swiss bankers. Both Rush Loving , and predecessors giving the history of the NYC v C&O proxy fight note a Perlman trip to Switzerland in hopes of gaining support. n FWIW, I REMEMBER this as I was a tiny stockholder at the time--money from delivering newspapers in HS. Much as I treasure the B&O, the 'other NEC' was WAY behind the curve. RDG/CNJ(RDG owned 56& of CNJ) got savaged by the 'end' of the anthracite business just as PRR's Lehigh Valley. and B&O aas the weaker trunk w/ lower traffic levels was always short of cash.


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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by italianstallion on Sat Apr 25 16:48:16 2009, in response to Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by WillD on Sat Apr 25 00:10:47 2009.

Metaphorically, O-hai is right. It was the other Northeast corridor.

And Hydrox is the other Oreo.

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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 25 18:56:37 2009, in response to Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by italianstallion on Sat Apr 25 16:48:16 2009.

Yup; that I was not disagreeing with.

And of course, the West Shore line was the other Empire Corridor. (Weehawken-Albany train in the OP.)

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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 25 19:05:03 2009, in response to Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 25 13:47:52 2009.

That's right. Last incarnation was as RDCs running between Reading Terminal and Newark Penn, although I doubt that they were running at the 64-mph average speed of the streamliners. Fares were reasonable too, IIRC.

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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 25 19:30:53 2009, in response to Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 25 19:05:03 2009.

It would have also made it doable to live in Bucks County and work in NYC.

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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by WillD on Sat Apr 25 21:02:21 2009, in response to Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 25 13:34:38 2009.

Now why can't everyone's reaction be exactly like that . . . ? Sad that some people are impervious to the pix themselves, and instead latch on to my entirely-accurate description of that corridor at the time, "[t]he other NEC".

What is sad is that someone feels the need to use someone else's excellent photos to build up some sort of myth about a railroad which barely limped into receivership.

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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 25 22:37:41 2009, in response to Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by WillD on Sat Apr 25 21:02:21 2009.

What is sad is that someone feels the need to use someone else's excellent photos to build up some sort of myth

No, it's not a myth. It's a fact. For that time period. Besides, which do you like better, Oreo or Hydrox? If it's in "cookies and cream", can you tell the difference?

What's said is what I said is sad. Snap back into human life.

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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 25 22:42:17 2009, in response to Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 25 19:30:53 2009.

Quite so. Could have gone to 30th Street on a permanent basis, by upgrading the route that was used during Railworks. (But what kind of contingency does SEPTA even have now if the power goes down?)

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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 25 23:00:27 2009, in response to More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 24 22:52:40 2009.

More trains means more trains.

We've seen enough dirty CNJ RDCs, so how about some clean ones? Dated 7/25/56. Timetable even pointed out which trains would run RDCs, with the "RDC" footnote, and the reference on the bottom explaining in boldface and italics: "RDC—De-Luxe Air-Conditioned Rail Diesel Cars (Budd)."

Hmm, I don't see any weeds on that ROW.



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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 25 23:13:41 2009, in response to Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 25 23:00:27 2009.

RDG again, from 8/27/57. Two-car train #606 from Philly heading to JC. Not a weed in sight.



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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by WillD on Sat Apr 25 23:19:27 2009, in response to Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 25 22:37:41 2009.

What's said [sic] is what I said is sad. Snap back into human life.

Haha. Ok Journal Square K-car, I'll try to be dude.

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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Apr 25 23:21:37 2009, in response to Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 25 23:00:27 2009.

Hmm, I don't see any weeds on that ROW.

Probably an anti-weed agent, I would think.

Nice pics in the series by the way, my compliments to the photographers.

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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 25 23:52:42 2009, in response to Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by WillD on Sat Apr 25 23:19:27 2009.

Better than being guy . . .

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Re: Color Photo of B&O National Limited at CNJ Broad Street, Elizabeth NJ

Posted by 67th Avenue on Sun Apr 26 00:05:19 2009, in response to Color Photo of B&O National Limited at CNJ Broad Street, Elizabeth NJ, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 24 22:18:06 2009.

Very nice photo, Olog-hai. I've always liked the B & O diesel units.

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Re: Color Photo of B&O National Limited at CNJ Broad Street, Elizabeth NJ

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 26 00:45:19 2009, in response to Re: Color Photo of B&O National Limited at CNJ Broad Street, Elizabeth NJ, posted by 67th Avenue on Sun Apr 26 00:05:19 2009.

Very rare photo, I'd say. How often do you see a color photo at Elizabeth on the CNJ?

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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 1 02:25:15 2009, in response to Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Apr 25 23:21:37 2009.

I'm still bowled over by the quality.

Here's another from 7/25/56; a TrainMaster hauling some RDG cars east. Note the semaphores way back by the Cherry Street bridge, and compare the pix from August '57.



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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 1 02:44:51 2009, in response to Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 1 02:25:15 2009.

And more . . . NY Clocker behind a Trainmaster, back to 8/27/57. (Westbound, these were Raritan Clockers.)



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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 1 12:00:26 2009, in response to Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 1 02:25:15 2009.


Yeah, the quality rivals anything seen today...it's hard to believe what we're seeing is over 50 years ago. He must have had a great camera and the money to purchase the best color film.

It's also nice to see a time when Elizabeth was served by two major railroads.

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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by 67th Avenue on Fri May 1 15:13:09 2009, in response to Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 1 12:00:26 2009.

I agree.

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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by JohnL on Fri May 1 17:37:27 2009, in response to Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 1 12:00:26 2009.

…and the money to purchase the best color film.

Kodachrome. Still unrivaled for its longevity in storage. It fades on repeated exposure to light, so many photographers of the era used slide duplicating film for their projection copies.

And it wasn’t so expensive. Per shot, it was cheaper than print film as there wasn’t the paper cost. But it did have to be sent away for processing—the complexity of the process meant that it just wasn’t feasible on a small scale. So those of us of a certain age know the relevant address by heart. In the cast of the UK: PO Box 14, Hemel Hempstead, Herts. Not that you needed it. Anything in the distinctive yellow mailing envelope would be delivered there no matter what address you put on it!

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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by EBTMikado on Fri May 1 20:44:33 2009, in response to Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 25 00:05:04 2009.

And if you were boarding a train on the express, you would have to walk across the active local track to board that express train. Talk about deadly!!!! It was something I had to do regularly when traveling from Newark, connecting at E'port and Plainfield to get the Hunterdon Hills Express to Hampton.

LBC

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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by EBTMikado on Fri May 1 20:49:39 2009, in response to Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 25 19:05:03 2009.

The RDC Wall Street and Crusader had one RDC-2 (combine) in their consists, in addition to RDC-1s. The baggage section of the RDC-2 was made into a bar with stools. On a warm afternoon, the baggage door was left open, with a chain across, so the sounds of the rail joints, train horns, etc., as well as brake shoe smells were like railroaders' heaven.

LBC

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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 1 22:58:55 2009, in response to Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by JohnL on Fri May 1 17:37:27 2009.

Only stopped making Kodachrome two years ago, eh . . .

Wonder how much longer APS has got. I inherited an Advantix camera some years ago, but haven't put it to any real use . . .

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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat May 2 11:56:34 2009, in response to Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 1 22:58:55 2009.


Film, period is living on borrowed time. Only top pros will be using it.

It's sad to know how many millions of pictures will be lost every year due to hard drive crashes. Without electricity, few photos of this era will survive.

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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat May 2 12:09:00 2009, in response to Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by EBTMikado on Fri May 1 20:44:33 2009.


That practice is still done occasionally on the NEC, since each station has a low-platform boarding area to use to access trains on the express track. It was used last weekend due to a FUBAR on the westbound local.

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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by Fred G on Sat May 2 12:36:49 2009, in response to Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat May 2 11:56:34 2009.

Backing up is key. Otherwise it's like your file cabinet of 8x10 glossies went up in the house fire.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by Fred G on Sat May 2 12:37:51 2009, in response to Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by Fred G on Sat May 2 12:36:49 2009.

Or the great flood, while they put out the great house fire.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat May 2 12:48:19 2009, in response to Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by Fred G on Sat May 2 12:36:49 2009.


Backing up is only as good as the technology used to back up. A photograph is a photograph. It can be seen by anyone with their own two eyes at any time. Most of my photos are backed up on CD's. If that technology ever disappears, what good is the CD?

Without a computer, digital photographs are worthless. That's one reason why I hope film never completely goes away.

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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by Fred G on Sat May 2 14:21:13 2009, in response to Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat May 2 12:48:19 2009.

Yeah and we can't print digital photographs either.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 2 18:57:01 2009, in response to Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by Fred G on Sat May 2 14:21:13 2009.

Not to one's satisfaction, unless you find some really good lightfast pigments . . .

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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by Fred G on Sun May 3 06:06:03 2009, in response to Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 2 18:57:01 2009.

Even a Walmart can provide quality prints on a smaller image size and online services such as Shutterfly and Mpix provide some incredible renditions. Mpix even uses a separate printer for black and white photos. I've sold photos printed by these services so I have hands on experience with them.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun May 3 12:40:13 2009, in response to Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by Fred G on Sat May 2 14:21:13 2009.


Digital prints are inferior to quality film. And it requires technology which some day might go the way of the dodo and the 8-track.

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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by Fred G on Sun May 3 12:52:51 2009, in response to Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun May 3 12:40:13 2009.

That's not entirely true, and still shows that you're wrong that digital photos can't be shared other than by computer.

your pal,
Fred

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