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Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade |
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Posted by Rapid Transit Series on Mon Apr 18 23:54:15 2005 Take a look for yourself: Click on the photo for the rest of the goods. |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Mon Apr 18 23:58:47 2005, in response to Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by Rapid Transit Series on Mon Apr 18 23:54:15 2005. Excellent! - I can't wait to go down to CI again. |
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Other photos from today |
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Posted by Rapid Transit Series on Tue Apr 19 00:53:26 2005, in response to Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by Rapid Transit Series on Mon Apr 18 23:54:15 2005. Aside from those photos, this was my first subway trip in weeks. New stuff in the R42, R68 and R62A albums, appropriately. Here are my favorites:   Clicking on any of the images will bring you to the main gallery page. Enjoy. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Apr 19 01:15:44 2005, in response to Other photos from today, posted by Rapid Transit Series on Tue Apr 19 00:53:26 2005. Stillwell looks gorgeous. Thank you for posting all the pictures. I can see the TA is not quite done yet, but it's getting close. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Apr 19 06:57:49 2005, in response to Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by Rapid Transit Series on Mon Apr 18 23:54:15 2005. Wow, I haven't been there since late last year and the place is looking great. Nice photos, too. I wonder what's going on with the old tower; I thought that was going to be smithereens by now.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by JohnL on Tue Apr 19 08:08:32 2005, in response to Re: Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by Fred G on Tue Apr 19 06:57:49 2005. It looks like they’re rebuilding something: the brickwork on top of the steel supports looks new.I think the facade is great, just wish that they had put a clock in the spire (I’m a believer in public clocks). |
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Re: Other photos from today |
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Posted by BrightonLocal(Q) on Tue Apr 19 16:31:24 2005, in response to Other photos from today, posted by Rapid Transit Series on Tue Apr 19 00:53:26 2005. Nice Double "D" photo. like that! :)Laters Zach |
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Re: Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Tue Apr 19 16:39:43 2005, in response to Re: Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by JohnL on Tue Apr 19 08:08:32 2005. Ditto. |
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Posted by Alargule on Tue Apr 19 17:10:01 2005, in response to Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by Rapid Transit Series on Mon Apr 18 23:54:15 2005. Great photo's! And some nice redecoration work!'BMT Lines' sounds like an anachronism to me these days; not only because the BMT ceased to exist more than 50 years ago, but also because most of the lines now terminating at Stillwell are former IND lines...;-) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 19 17:24:52 2005, in response to Re: Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by JohnL on Tue Apr 19 08:08:32 2005. One thing this terminal still lacks, after 11 months of operation, is "This train next" signage. It can get confusing sometimes! |
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Re: Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Apr 19 20:12:47 2005, in response to Re: Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by Alargule on Tue Apr 19 17:10:01 2005. Down there they aren't. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Apr 19 20:14:38 2005, in response to Re: Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 19 17:24:52 2005. Why do I have this nagging feeling that we're never going to see them there? |
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Posted by Alargule on Wed Apr 20 04:59:20 2005, in response to Re: Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Apr 19 20:12:47 2005. But up there they are...:-DBut of course, this facade is pure nostalgia. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Wed Apr 20 07:09:19 2005, in response to Re: Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by Alargule on Wed Apr 20 04:59:20 2005. Why does up there rule the day?The B, D, F, and R trains are part-IND and part-BMT. All the lines at Coney Island are BMT lines. |
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Posted by Alargule on Wed Apr 20 09:51:05 2005, in response to Re: Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by David of Broadway on Wed Apr 20 07:09:19 2005. I could ask you the same question in reverse: why would 'down there' rule the day? Nowhere have I advocated the replacement of the BMT sign by an IND one. But since - first of all - the BMT and the IND do not exist anymore and - secondly - former BMT and IND lines were physically connected to each other via the Chrystie St. connector (1967), mentioning the BMT only at the facade of Stillwell Terminal is purely nostalgic. That's all I wanted to say. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Wed Apr 20 09:59:39 2005, in response to Re: Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by Alargule on Wed Apr 20 09:51:05 2005. No it's not. The BMT (aka B2 Division) still lives on, and all of the lines that run to Coney Island are in it.I know you don't live in New York, and I don't know if you've ridden the system, but the distinction between IND and BMT is still apparent to the seasoned rider, even with few signs giving either acronym. |
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Posted by Alargule on Wed Apr 20 10:43:02 2005, in response to Re: Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by David of Broadway on Wed Apr 20 09:59:39 2005. Yes, I have ridden the system, but only within Manhattan. That was in 2000. I would really love to come back and ride the entire system, but raising the money for the trip is the first issue I'll have to tackle... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 20 11:53:56 2005, in response to Re: Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by David of Broadway on Wed Apr 20 09:59:39 2005. Most people know of the distinctions But only old timers and educated riders know what belongs to what. BTW, the Culver line was officially IND after 1954. |
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Posted by Alargule on Wed Apr 20 11:57:36 2005, in response to Re: Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 20 11:53:56 2005. Now, that's true as well. Another reason why the BMT sign is nostalgic. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Apr 20 14:15:17 2005, in response to Re: Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 20 11:53:56 2005. It's nice to see those BMT signs back up, nontheless. |
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Posted by Alex L. on Wed Apr 20 14:55:06 2005, in response to Re: Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by David of Broadway on Wed Apr 20 09:59:39 2005. The BMT (aka B2 Division) still lives on,Um, BMT is B1. IND is B2. Or I've had my radio on the wrong frequency all week. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Apr 20 14:59:21 2005, in response to Re: Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 20 11:53:56 2005. Culver is designated as BMT.That's why there is a sign at Church Ave reminding T/O's to change their R/F from B2 (IND) to B1 (BMT). |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Wed Apr 20 15:31:34 2005, in response to Re: Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 20 11:53:56 2005. In 1954, each route was in a single division. The F had to be in one or the other, and since most of the route is IND, and the south end of the route doesn't share any trackage with anything else, IND was picked for the whole thing.That all changed in 1967. It's now perfectly permissible for a single route to cross between divisions, so for all intents and purposes, the F crosses between IND (B2) and BMT (B1). |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Apr 20 15:32:19 2005, in response to Re: Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Apr 20 14:59:21 2005. Yup I figured. Church Av is the end of the IND F line. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 20 15:32:58 2005, in response to Re: Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Apr 20 14:59:21 2005. The entire Culver line from Ditmas south was transferred to IND control in 1954. Today, the designation is pointless. But before 1967, it was entirely IND in name and operation. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Wed Apr 20 15:36:14 2005, in response to Re: Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by Alex L. on Wed Apr 20 14:55:06 2005. I can't type early in the morning.You probably heard this morning why my B train had to wait for both pockets to clear at Brighton Beach before it could get in. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 20 15:36:39 2005, in response to Re: Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by David of Broadway on Wed Apr 20 15:31:34 2005. In 1954, each route was in a single division. The F had to be in one or the other, and since most of the route is IND, and the south end of the route doesn't share any trackage with anything else, IND was picked for the whole thing Yup, correct, although it was the D, not F. My 1959 map has the whole line in IND red, not BMT green. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Wed Apr 20 15:37:10 2005, in response to Re: Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 20 15:32:58 2005. Get yourself a scanner. The designation is not pointless. |
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Posted by Alex L. on Wed Apr 20 15:37:32 2005, in response to Re: Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by David of Broadway on Wed Apr 20 15:36:14 2005. No. Do tell. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 20 15:38:17 2005, in response to Re: Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Apr 20 15:32:19 2005. The section below Church was (and is) on the BMT power grid. It was operated as an IND line, with IND cars and IND crews. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Apr 20 15:38:43 2005, in response to Re: Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 20 15:32:58 2005. I should send you a picture proving that you are wrong.The section north of Ditmas Ave is IND (including the 1954 construction). The section by Ditmas Ave, and anything south of it is BMT. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 20 15:41:47 2005, in response to Re: Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Apr 20 15:38:43 2005. In construction yes. In operation, not since 1954. In 1954, the entire line was transferred to IND control, back when the divisions were run by seperate crews. Every map post-1954/pre Chrystie will show the Culver line as part of the IND division. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Wed Apr 20 15:42:29 2005, in response to Re: Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by Alex L. on Wed Apr 20 15:37:32 2005. A southbound Q went BIE at Ocean Parkway. It appears that its follower crossed to the express at Brighton Beach, so the B I was on couldn't fill that pocket. (That still doesn't explain why we couldn't fill it after service went back to normal on the local track. Could someone please buy several 3-packs of yellow lights for Sheepshead Bay!) |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Wed Apr 20 15:44:15 2005, in response to Re: Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 20 15:41:47 2005. Yes. And then Chrystie changed everything back. In whatever ways there is still a distinction, the Culver is BMT. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 20 15:45:04 2005, in response to Re: Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 20 15:41:47 2005. Here's a picture of that map, notice the Culver in bright IND red (and the shuttle portion still sporting BMT green): 
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 20 15:47:28 2005, in response to Re: Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by David of Broadway on Wed Apr 20 15:44:15 2005. Today, yes. Since the divisions are no longer seperatley operated, it doesn't mean anything outside a historical context. In that context, the Liberty Ave. el is also BMT. |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Apr 20 15:48:20 2005, in response to Re: Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 20 15:47:28 2005. I agree w/that too. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Wed Apr 20 15:59:48 2005, in response to Re: Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 20 15:47:28 2005. The divisions have separate radio channels. That's still quite relevant today.The Liberty el can be argued either way. The Culver can't. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Apr 20 16:03:22 2005, in response to Re: Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by David of Broadway on Wed Apr 20 15:42:29 2005. They are orange amber lights, not Yellow.Or swipe some off from Newkirk Ave station, since they are not used often enough. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Wed Apr 20 16:13:35 2005, in response to Re: Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Apr 20 16:03:22 2005. Are they ever?If I ever get around to calling the B line superintendent, I'll mention the idea to him. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Apr 20 16:20:49 2005, in response to Re: Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by David of Broadway on Wed Apr 20 16:13:35 2005. They are only used at Newkirk for stoppages ahead of the route(s). |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Wed Apr 20 16:34:30 2005, in response to Re: Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Apr 20 16:20:49 2005. Stoppages are much more common ahead of Sheepshead Bay. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Apr 20 16:37:29 2005, in response to Re: Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by David of Broadway on Wed Apr 20 16:34:30 2005. If that's the case, the dispatcher should have held B trains more often at Kings Highway for about less than a minute. This reduces the dwell time at Sheepshead Bay to some extent. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Wed Apr 20 16:42:27 2005, in response to Re: Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Apr 20 16:37:29 2005. Why not hold them at Sheepshead Bay (after installing holding lights, of course)? A lot of passengers can use either SB or BB -- especially if a Q pulls in while the B is being held. |
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Posted by vengence on Wed Apr 20 16:46:24 2005, in response to Re: Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by David of Broadway on Wed Apr 20 16:42:27 2005. i need info about KINGSBORO..from your personal point of view... |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Wed Apr 20 17:00:58 2005, in response to Re: Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by vengence on Wed Apr 20 16:46:24 2005. I've taught three math courses, and it's highly unlikely that you'd find yourself taking more than two of them, so my personal point of view is very limited. You'd probably get more out of asking a student or alum (there are at least three who regularly post to this board). |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Apr 20 17:02:05 2005, in response to Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by Rapid Transit Series on Mon Apr 18 23:54:15 2005. Nice to see the MTA honoring its heritage by keeping the old BMT sign up.Too bad so many other relics from the pre-1940 era have been lost forever. |
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Posted by Broadway Junction on Wed Apr 20 20:10:55 2005, in response to Re: Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 20 15:41:47 2005. This is more pointless than the argument of R32 vs. R46. Let's just agree to disagree... |
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Posted by Alex L. on Wed Apr 20 20:18:34 2005, in response to Re: Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by David of Broadway on Wed Apr 20 15:42:29 2005. Huh?Q goes BIE at Ocean Parkway. Its follower crosses to A3 north of Brighton and continues south to Stillwell. Even assuming a B already on A4, you just need to wait for the Q to pull out of Brighton before pulling in - should take slightly less than a minute. Or am I missing something? |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Wed Apr 20 22:55:54 2005, in response to Re: Photos of Stillwell Terminal's new facade, posted by Alex L. on Wed Apr 20 20:18:34 2005. I had the same question.Perhaps the T/D (or whoever makes these decisions) wanted to keep A3 clear for following Q's. I'm not sure why -- the train at Ocean Parkway started moving right around when the first B left the terminal. I will say, this is the first time I've ever been on a B that's passed a Q just south of Sheepshead Bay -- but that Q and its follower then passed us before we moved any further. Holding lights, please! Or just install a southbound-only express-only Neptune Avenue station -- yeah, it's too close to the stations in either direction, but if the train's going to stop there anyway, passengers might as well be able to get off. |
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