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Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by BusRider on Fri Dec 5 10:43:33 2008

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Where does the A Express layup at before it starts at 59th Street?
Where does the A layup when it ends at Euclid Avenue?
Is there a yard at Beach 116th Street?
Where does G trains layup when ending at Court Square?
Where do B/D trains layup before starting at 145th street?
How does the D train have a trip that starts at West 4th?
Where does the F layup at Kings Hwy?
Where does the N layup when it starts at Queensboro Plaza?
Where does the R layup when ending at Canal St and starting at Times Square?

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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by xtimx on Fri Dec 5 11:04:23 2008, in response to Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by BusRider on Fri Dec 5 10:43:33 2008.

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on tracks

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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by mike cruz on Fri Dec 5 11:09:08 2008, in response to Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by BusRider on Fri Dec 5 10:43:33 2008.

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ill be nice and give ya 2

beach 116= yes theres a yard.
euclid = layups under grant/pitkin.

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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Dec 5 11:40:24 2008, in response to Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by xtimx on Fri Dec 5 11:04:23 2008.

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No they don't lay-up on track. They get put away on the Giants shelves after he finished playing with them. The MTA is his big Toy Train Layout.

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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by Railman718 on Fri Dec 5 11:45:46 2008, in response to Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Dec 5 11:40:24 2008.

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The MTA is his big Toy Train Layout.

So whats wrong with playing with trains?

I do it 5 days a week..

;o)

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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Dec 5 12:23:32 2008, in response to Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by Railman718 on Fri Dec 5 11:45:46 2008.

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I play with the same train as you do, it's great to get paid for it, isn't.

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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by Railman718 on Fri Dec 5 12:24:23 2008, in response to Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Dec 5 12:23:32 2008.

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Can i get a Amen on that one brother!!!!

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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Dec 5 12:26:23 2008, in response to Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by Railman718 on Fri Dec 5 12:24:23 2008.

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Aman my brother in crime. Aman, Pryce the train Gods

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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by Railman718 on Fri Dec 5 12:27:14 2008, in response to Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Dec 5 12:26:23 2008.

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Bows to the All Mighty Train Gods...

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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Dec 5 12:35:17 2008, in response to Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by Railman718 on Fri Dec 5 12:27:14 2008.

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The pray we say before each day at work.

All hall to the Gods of trains, All hall the mighty one, please give me a smooth job today at work. Please let us not have us deal with the AH that ride our trains every day. Give us the strength to deal with the unsuspected things that come out way.

Aman

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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by Railman718 on Fri Dec 5 12:36:55 2008, in response to Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Dec 5 12:35:17 2008.

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Praise Be brother!!!

Speak the truth!!!!

The Knowledge!!!!

Preach Brother Preach !!!!

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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Dec 5 12:40:51 2008, in response to Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by Railman718 on Fri Dec 5 12:36:55 2008.

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That's right I only speak of Truth and Knowledge of what I know. The Best part of it, is that I paid for it. I am not a voluntary of the "All mighty Train God."

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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by Railman718 on Fri Dec 5 12:42:21 2008, in response to Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Dec 5 12:40:51 2008.

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That's right I only speak of Truth and Knowledge of what I know


The Choosen One..

The Prophet...

Who gets paid....

;o)

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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Dec 5 12:43:23 2008, in response to Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Dec 5 12:40:51 2008.

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I have bean hearing to many Of the people of think that they have to save everyone from going down town, way down town if you get my fire drift. 666 ^)

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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Dec 5 12:44:06 2008, in response to Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by Railman718 on Fri Dec 5 12:42:21 2008.

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Just call me your Savory.

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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Dec 5 12:46:59 2008, in response to Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Dec 5 12:44:06 2008.

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I wounder if anyone else is reading out posts and are just shanking there heads at us.

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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by Railman718 on Fri Dec 5 12:48:10 2008, in response to Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Dec 5 12:44:06 2008.

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The words of the Choosen one MUST be heard!!!!

You must bring the light into the darkness..

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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Dec 5 12:49:14 2008, in response to Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by Railman718 on Fri Dec 5 12:48:10 2008.

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Then how will the homeless sleep in the Tunnels. I do my best work in the dark as the Choosen one.

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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by Railman718 on Fri Dec 5 12:49:30 2008, in response to Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Dec 5 12:46:59 2008.

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Probally....

Still its SOO much fun though...

Too much flaming been going on so let us throw some water on it...

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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Dec 5 12:51:24 2008, in response to Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by Railman718 on Fri Dec 5 12:49:30 2008.

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and couse the baord to get steemed up ;0)

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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by Railman718 on Fri Dec 5 12:51:53 2008, in response to Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Dec 5 12:49:14 2008.

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I do my best work in the dark..

In the Light....

When its cloudy...

When its sunny...

When its raining...

When is snowing...



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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by Railman718 on Fri Dec 5 12:52:31 2008, in response to Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Dec 5 12:51:24 2008.

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Well steam is better than flames you know..

;o)

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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Dec 5 12:54:55 2008, in response to Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by Railman718 on Fri Dec 5 12:51:53 2008.

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Yes to all of the above.

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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Dec 5 12:56:10 2008, in response to Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Dec 5 12:54:55 2008.

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You know Railman I think we might get banned from responding to each other one day. We do over over the top some days. But ant it fun anyway?

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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Dec 5 12:56:31 2008, in response to Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by xtimx on Fri Dec 5 11:04:23 2008.

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With rails?

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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Dec 5 13:02:56 2008, in response to Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Dec 5 12:56:31 2008.

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Tracks are rails. But not all Rails are Tracks.

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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by Railman718 on Fri Dec 5 13:05:10 2008, in response to Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Dec 5 12:56:10 2008.

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Oh yeah LOTS O FUN....

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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by Railman718 on Fri Dec 5 13:06:41 2008, in response to Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Dec 5 13:02:56 2008.

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But not all Rails are Tracks.

Railman isnt a track and aint no train is runnin under me...


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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Dec 5 13:07:05 2008, in response to Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by Railman718 on Fri Dec 5 13:06:41 2008.

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Good one.

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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Dec 5 13:17:11 2008, in response to Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by Railman718 on Fri Dec 5 13:05:10 2008.

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Ha Railman, I am having trouble keeping up with all the post that other are post on this Subjuct. There are just to many people talking at once. I think I will get back to you when the dust settle down, OK.

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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by Railman718 on Fri Dec 5 13:18:37 2008, in response to Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Dec 5 13:17:11 2008.

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Yeah i can see this thread getting reefed before sundown..

Its too "stimulating"...



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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Dec 5 13:19:23 2008, in response to Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by Railman718 on Fri Dec 5 13:18:37 2008.

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Ya it just might be.

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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Dec 5 13:29:41 2008, in response to Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by BusRider on Fri Dec 5 10:43:33 2008.

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Same as where an 800-pound gorilla sleeps in the zoo.

Anywhere they want to.

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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Fri Dec 5 13:42:36 2008, in response to Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by xtimx on Fri Dec 5 11:04:23 2008.

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LOL, simple!

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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by Gerry6309 on Fri Dec 5 13:53:18 2008, in response to Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by BusRider on Fri Dec 5 10:43:33 2008.

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There is a question of semantics here. A train which "lays-up" is taken out of service and stored. A train which "lays-over" is sent back in service in the opposite direction. The definition is important since a train laying over at Court Sq. will change ends on the track it arrives on and use a crossover south of the station, while one laying up at the same location will run light to Jamaica Yard.

A layover or lay-up at Queensboro Plaza will use the center track on the Astoria line, the layup will go further north, while the layover will clear the switch entering and change ends.

Kings Highway on the F has a center track for layovers with crossovers both north and south of the station. Lay-ups are unlikely due to the proximity to the yards at Coney Island.

An A from the south could cross over north of 59th St., but would impede southbound A and D trains in doing so. An A from the north cannot turn at 59th.

B & D trains from the south can turn on the center platform at 145th. Trains rom the Bronx must unload and lay over on a center track south of the station, then cross to the northbound to go back.

Laying over at West 4th St. seems to be a questionable proposition at best. There are crossovers north of the station but any change of direction requires an adverse move on a busy track. A northbound could turn near 42nd St. while a southbound could turn at 2nd Av.

Your question about the R needs to specify where the train is coming from since both locations are near the middle of a very long line.

You can answer a lot of your own questions by checking out the track maps at nycsubway.org



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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by checkthedoorlight on Fri Dec 5 15:19:28 2008, in response to Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by BusRider on Fri Dec 5 10:43:33 2008.

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Ooh, I smell a challenge.

Where does the A Express layup at before it starts at 59th Street? - a yard or layup track
Where does the A layup when it ends at Euclid Avenue? - a yard or layup track
Is there a yard at Beach 116th Street? - yes
Where does G trains layup when ending at Court Square? - a yard or layup track
Where do B/D trains layup before starting at 145th street? - a yard or layup track
How does the D train have a trip that starts at West 4th? - it doesn't. It starts at Broadway/Lafayette.
Where does the F layup at Kings Hwy? - a yard or layup track
Where does the N layup when it starts at Queensboro Plaza? - a yard or layup track
Where does the R layup when ending at Canal St and starting at Times Square? - a yard or layup track


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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by Neil Feldman on Fri Dec 5 17:32:02 2008, in response to Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by checkthedoorlight on Fri Dec 5 15:19:28 2008.

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City Hall has a lower level which has 8 yard tracks to once was used as a passenger platform, no more is used as a lay up for put-ins and such for R, and W trains!

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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by xtimx on Fri Dec 5 17:37:55 2008, in response to Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by Neil Feldman on Fri Dec 5 17:32:02 2008.

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huh?

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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Dec 5 17:51:03 2008, in response to Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Dec 5 12:46:59 2008.

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Not as much as the questions asked by the original poster.

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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 5 19:07:11 2008, in response to Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by Railman718 on Fri Dec 5 12:52:31 2008.

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Only at low pressure ... ever walk a pipe vault with a broom handle in front of you? :)

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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by Eric B on Fri Dec 5 20:18:39 2008, in response to Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by Gerry6309 on Fri Dec 5 13:53:18 2008.

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He means trains that go into or out of service in the middle of the line.

For the A, he most likely means the Rock Park spacials that supposedly only start at 59th.
They I believe simply come down light from 207th, rather than turning back from the south.

Trains that drop out at 145 run light to Concourse. Midday, there is one that lays up on the express north of the station.

KHF layups/putins go to/come from the yard.

He's referring to one D that starts at W4 or BwayLaf in the PM. That runs from CIYD down the F line to get there. I don;t know why they do that, and the last time I looked, it was about 9 or so PM, I think on weekends even, so that is kind of strange.

As others said, G's at CSQ run light to Jamaica, and R's lay up at both City Hall and also at Lex on the 2nd Ave leads.

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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by xtimx on Fri Dec 5 20:31:02 2008, in response to Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by Eric B on Fri Dec 5 20:18:39 2008.

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i appreciate your input but you are wasting your time replying to BusRider. he will be posting these EXACT SAME questions once a week till the end of time. he posts things and then never replies to the answers. he is just a broken record. mark my words, in about a week he will be posting these exact same questions and then make another thread asking what the r160 readings are for the V through the chyrstie st connector. hes so annoying.

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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Fri Dec 5 20:36:36 2008, in response to Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by xtimx on Fri Dec 5 20:31:02 2008.

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r160 readings are for the V through the chyrstie st connector. hes so annoying.

Thats chipper10 dude.


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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by xtimx on Fri Dec 5 21:43:47 2008, in response to Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by R33/R36 mainline on Fri Dec 5 20:36:36 2008.

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ooops! they are both so annoying and repetitive that i confuse them.

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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by straphanger9 on Sat Dec 6 00:12:41 2008, in response to Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by checkthedoorlight on Fri Dec 5 15:19:28 2008.

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ya dont say!

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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 6 01:06:43 2008, in response to Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by BusRider on Fri Dec 5 10:43:33 2008.

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Did you post this just to have a suggestive-sounding thread title . . . ?

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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by MGL on Sat Dec 6 02:10:33 2008, in response to Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by Eric B on Fri Dec 5 20:18:39 2008.

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"He's referring to one D that starts at W4 or BwayLaf in the PM. That runs from CIYD down the F line to get there. I don;t know why they do that, and the last time I looked, it was about 9 or so PM, I think on weekends even, so that is kind of strange."

A few years back I worked in W4 tower. The most consistent explanation I received for that particular D put-in is because of the work trains that cross the bridge at about that time. If a slow moving work train delayed uptown D service, that put-in could be used as appropriate.

Michael

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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by Grand concourse on Sat Dec 6 03:38:09 2008, in response to Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Dec 5 12:46:59 2008.

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Lol, I don't mind. :)

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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by randyo on Sat Dec 6 18:46:16 2008, in response to Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by MGL on Sat Dec 6 02:10:33 2008.

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That is correct. Back when the B was the West End service, there were actaully 4 Bs on the late PM that operated via the F Line to Bway/Laff where they went in service there. This was also before the 63 St connector opened up and the Bs terminated at 21 St during late PMs and weekends. There were also 2 Ns that operated over the Brighton Line to Dekalb for the same reason although I dont recall whether they ran light or in service, to provide "windows" for work trains operating on 4 Ave. Also, due to the work trains, there were some S/B Rs that turned at either Canal or Whithall St to provide N/B service into Queens and the headway N/B out of 95 st was opened and adjusted by holds at Whitehall and Canal St to blend with the short turns. The reason that the Rs were impacted was that some of these work trains had to operate vis the Montague St Tunnel to get to locations in the Eastern Division so windows were required there as well.

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Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs

Posted by randyo on Sat Dec 6 18:47:48 2008, in response to Re: Put-Ins/Pull Outs, posted by Neil Feldman on Fri Dec 5 17:32:02 2008.

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City Hall LL was never used for passenger service and one of the platforms is rough unfinished concrete.

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