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Why was SIRT 325 simply forgotton? |
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Posted by JBar387 on Sat Oct 18 13:38:41 2008 Why was it just simply left there?And where is it today? SIRT 325 |
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Posted by Stef on Sat Oct 18 13:49:08 2008, in response to Why was SIRT 325 simply forgotton?, posted by JBar387 on Sat Oct 18 13:38:41 2008. I can't speak in any official capacity, but the car was intended to be preserved for TMNY (Kingston). The Museum's Board made a decision to de-accession the car, that is, 353 was no longer part of Kingston's collection. It sat at Travis for a number of years.IIRC, Branford's 388 and Seashore's 366 were also at Travis with Car 353. -Stef |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 18 13:49:21 2008, in response to Why was SIRT 325 simply forgotton?, posted by JBar387 on Sat Oct 18 13:38:41 2008. One of the photos in that set suggests a fire ... :( |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 18 13:52:31 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 325 simply forgotton?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 18 13:49:21 2008. Examine the 4, 5 and 6 windows (and above 5) on the right side ... looks like fire damage to me at least ...
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Posted by JBar387 on Sat Oct 18 13:55:42 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 325 simply forgotton?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 18 13:52:31 2008. I'd say it is more or less body rust. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sat Oct 18 13:59:23 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 325 simply forgotton?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 18 13:52:31 2008. It actually looks like the grafitti paint helped preserve the car quite a bit. Too bad they didn't tag the roof, because it looks rusty.It must have had that paint for almost 40 years now, and you can still see "staten island" Except "statten" seems doubled, for some reason. And that looks like rust to me, on that window. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Sat Oct 18 14:02:15 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 325 simply forgotton?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sat Oct 18 13:59:23 2008. Rusty, yet robust!Bill "Newkirk" |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 18 14:04:19 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 325 simply forgotton?, posted by JBar387 on Sat Oct 18 13:55:42 2008. Guess so ... hard to tell from the pic on this olde laptop. :) |
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Posted by Dan on Sat Oct 18 14:22:42 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 325 simply forgotton?, posted by Newkirk Images on Sat Oct 18 14:02:15 2008. A few months ago there was a story in the SI Advance about some guy who wanted to restore a SIRTOA car (325?) and display it at Historic Richmondtown. I haven't read anything about it since. |
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Posted by monorail on Sat Oct 18 14:37:54 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 325 simply forgotton?, posted by Dan on Sat Oct 18 14:22:42 2008. stories like this always seem to come up AFTER things are destroyed!When 50 St on the B'way line was being rehabbed, inside one of the rooms, there were several lamp shades from the old days of the IRT found intact. As well as other historic artifacts! The contractor made an attempt to find any department that was interested in preserving stuff like this, but found no takers. Shortly after the items were disposed of, the museum notified several departments that if anything historical was found, it was to be set aside for them. Had I been made aware of these items, I would have requested them. At the time of the rehabbing, I was working elsewhere(brooklyn or the east side) with the flagging department. When I was sent to 50th St, it was too late..... |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Oct 18 15:43:21 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 325 simply forgotton?, posted by monorail on Sat Oct 18 14:37:54 2008. A crying shame indeed. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 18 16:06:20 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 325 simply forgotton?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Oct 18 15:43:21 2008. I rode the old B&O's quite often, and that they were supposedly designed to be similar to standards came as quite a surprise years later. They were QUITE "peppy" ... |
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Re: Why was SIRT 353 simply forgotton? |
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Posted by FLASH GORDON on Sat Oct 18 19:09:31 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 353 simply forgotton?, posted by Stef on Sat Oct 18 13:49:08 2008. Car was in bad shape and the worst of the tree cars.388 is not a cream puff but still in good enough shape to save and is getting lots of work done to fix it up. FLASH GORDON |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Sat Oct 18 20:38:20 2008, in response to Why was SIRT 325 simply forgotton?, posted by JBar387 on Sat Oct 18 13:38:41 2008. And where is it today?Cut up on site, IIRC. |
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Posted by JBar387 on Sat Oct 18 20:40:09 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 325 simply forgotton?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Sat Oct 18 20:38:20 2008. Thats too bad if so! |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sat Oct 18 20:45:42 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 325 simply forgotton?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Sat Oct 18 20:38:20 2008. SHAME!Seriously, I hope you are wrong. They seriously could use that at the TA museum, if anything, since they were similar to BMT standards, maybe they could have even swapped some things, and made them compatable. Then they could have a five car "BMT standard" set, including the SIR oddball. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Oct 18 21:09:45 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 325 simply forgotton?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 18 16:06:20 2008. It was thought that the ex-SIRT cars could m. u. with the BMT standards, but when the TA bought those 30 surplus cars and tried to lash the two types together - surprise, surprise - they wouldn't do so. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 18 21:27:37 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 325 simply forgotton?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Oct 18 21:09:45 2008. Heh. I remember hearing that. A ride on them though made it pretty obvious that they were unlike the standards as far as "hauling ash" went. Those puppies could MOVE! :)I'd love to see Branford's run ... betcha it'd leave 6688 in the dust too. |
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Posted by Stef on Sun Oct 19 01:25:45 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 325 simply forgotton?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 18 21:27:37 2008. Them's fighting words son! Put up your brake handle!-Stef |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Oct 19 02:24:46 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 325 simply forgotton?, posted by Stef on Sun Oct 19 01:25:45 2008. Which one, bro? My beefy arnine handle or the wimpy SMEE one that looks like it came from Sears? (grin)10 paces, or 2? Whap! (remember, I'm a Bronx boy too, heh) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Oct 19 04:36:53 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 325 simply forgotton?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Oct 19 02:24:46 2008. Just to let other folks know, though we haven't met face to face yet, Stef and I *are* buddies (I hope, heh) still ... |
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Posted by FLASH GORDON on Sun Oct 19 08:08:16 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 325 simply forgotton?, posted by Stef on Sun Oct 19 01:25:45 2008. You mean shoe slippers.Get it right Steff I know that you understand TA lingo. FLASH GORDON |
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Posted by FLASH GORDON on Sun Oct 19 08:18:26 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 325 simply forgotton?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 18 21:27:37 2008. I don't think you would get that get up and go with our 550 volts.5466 does seem to run on it well. 6688 has that box type GE group switch which is very slow. FLASH GORDON |
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Posted by FLASH GORDON on Sun Oct 19 08:25:45 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 325 simply forgotton?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sat Oct 18 20:45:42 2008. Try a deffrent type of sleeping pill.The car is a striped out shell and has no parts at all and with the D types looking one step behind this it would be a waste of time and money. Its long gone just forget it and get back under the rock. FLASH GORDON |
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Re: Why was SIRT 353 simply forgotton?--and Branford's 388 |
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Posted by milan1834 on Sun Oct 19 09:32:57 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 353 simply forgotton?, posted by FLASH GORDON on Sat Oct 18 19:09:31 2008. It is? Sure didn't look like it to me, when I visited Branford in April.... |
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Posted by Stef on Sun Oct 19 12:10:51 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 325 simply forgotton?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Oct 19 04:36:53 2008. It's ok, 'Kirk! You'll get nothing but respect from me.Cheers, Stef |
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Re: Why was SIRT 353 simply forgotton?--and Branford's 388 |
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Posted by FLASH GORDON on Sun Oct 19 15:07:58 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 353 simply forgotton?--and Branford's 388, posted by milan1834 on Sun Oct 19 09:32:57 2008. The whole roof and ends were painted so far.This is a stableization project not a rebuild. Till it gets a barn space this is what can be done to help keep it from getting worse. Nothing gets done in the winter and April is still to cold to do painting. Mid May to mid Oct. is the time you can work out side on a car. FLASH GORDON |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Oct 19 16:36:05 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 325 simply forgotton?, posted by FLASH GORDON on Sun Oct 19 08:18:26 2008. I'll bring a carton of D cells. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Oct 19 16:36:57 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 325 simply forgotton?, posted by Stef on Sun Oct 19 12:10:51 2008. Heh. Oh noes! :) |
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Re: Why was SIRT 353 simply forgotton?--and Branford's 388 |
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Posted by Hart Bus on Sun Oct 19 16:48:04 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 353 simply forgotton?--and Branford's 388, posted by milan1834 on Sun Oct 19 09:32:57 2008. As one poster who has helped work to stabilize the car, permit me to say several things to you.1 - Flash Gordon is correct that the roof has been sanded, primed and painted. 2 - A piece of plastic has been placed at one end so that no water will come into the car until we can straighten out the platform to prevent a flood on a more permanent basis. 3 - Why do you assume that nothing has been done since April? 4 - On behalf of Project Leader, Westcode 44, myself, BMTman, and several others who have donated their time and money, why don't you come up to Branford one day and help us, instead of hurling unfounded accusations. DON'T BE PART OF THE PROBLEM, BE PART OF THE SOLUTION !!!!!!! |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Oct 19 17:50:14 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 325 simply forgotton?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Oct 19 16:36:05 2008. Do they work better than bananas?Ops... Sorry, wrong post, my mistake! ROARING |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Oct 19 17:53:46 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 325 simply forgotton?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Oct 19 17:50:14 2008. Heh. I imagine there's more FUEL to bananas, especially if you strike a match. But there's more voltage in a carton of D cells. Another experiment we'll need to try in a proper cornfield meet venue. :) |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Oct 19 18:44:19 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 325 simply forgotton?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Oct 19 16:36:05 2008. I'll bring a carton of D cells. :)Newkirk Plaza David may have some Ray-O-Vacs cheep ! Bill "Newkirk" |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Oct 19 19:01:29 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 325 simply forgotton?, posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Oct 19 18:44:19 2008. Nah ... railcars need Energizers. Here's da proff! :)
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Oct 19 19:02:57 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 325 simply forgotton?, posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Oct 19 18:44:19 2008. Nah ... railcars need Energizers. Here's da proff! :)
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Re: Why was SIRT 353 simply forgotton?--and Branford's 388 |
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Posted by FLASH GORDON on Sun Oct 19 21:05:37 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 353 simply forgotton?--and Branford's 388, posted by Hart Bus on Sun Oct 19 16:48:04 2008. Thanks guys you are doing the best you can to save it.Also you are doing other things at the museum to keep the place running besides this car work. Got to get some of these transit worms to write some checks to help the workers get the supplies they need. FLASH GORDON |
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Posted by Westcode44 on Sun Oct 19 22:31:42 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 325 simply forgotton?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 18 14:04:19 2008. That car was set afire a few times by vandals..if it is still there I can use some "mechanical parts" for Car 388 @ Branford.WE-44 |
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Posted by JBar387 on Sun Oct 19 22:33:23 2008, in response to Why was SIRT 325 simply forgotton?, posted by JBar387 on Sat Oct 18 13:38:41 2008. Corrected title sorry guys! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Oct 19 22:34:46 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 325 simply forgotton?, posted by Westcode44 on Sun Oct 19 22:31:42 2008. I believe I heard that it got "parted" years ago and there's nothing left to unscrew ... |
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Posted by Westcode44 on Sun Oct 19 22:35:23 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 325 simply forgotton?, posted by Stef on Sun Oct 19 01:25:45 2008. Car 388 (if rebuilt mechanically) can "easily" wipe out SMEE Flat Bottom R17-6688...IN THE SERIES POSTION.WE-44 |
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Posted by Westcode44 on Sun Oct 19 22:36:51 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 325 simply forgotton?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Oct 19 22:34:46 2008. Sounds like the "Life and Times of BMTguy"WE-44 |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Oct 19 22:41:06 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 325 simply forgotton?, posted by Westcode44 on Sun Oct 19 22:35:23 2008. That's cool. So did those cars have more traction motors? Did they have better low end acceleration? Or just more powerful motors and the like, with higher gearing? Top speed about 70 or so MPH? |
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Posted by FLASH GORDON on Sun Oct 19 22:41:21 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 325 simply forgotton?, posted by Westcode44 on Sun Oct 19 22:31:42 2008. The parts from the group switch will work on1689,503,5466 and 116. ME 23 break stand is good too. FLASH GORDON |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Oct 19 22:43:21 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 325 simply forgotton?, posted by Westcode44 on Sun Oct 19 22:36:51 2008. Nah, he's still got a few screws loose. :) |
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Posted by Westcode44 on Sun Oct 19 22:44:01 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 325 simply forgotton?, posted by FLASH GORDON on Sun Oct 19 22:41:21 2008. I could use the compressor on that car...and trucks..!WE-44 |
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Re: Why was SIRT 353 simply forgotton?--and Branford's 388 |
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Posted by Westcode44 on Sun Oct 19 22:48:56 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 353 simply forgotton?--and Branford's 388, posted by Hart Bus on Sun Oct 19 16:48:04 2008. TO ALL--work will commence again on SIRT 388 in MAY 2009..if anyone is interested in helping or donating funds toward this worthy project kindly contact the muesum directly or see my flyer @ ERA Meetings. Thanks-WE-44 |
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Posted by Mr RT on Mon Oct 20 07:10:32 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 325 simply forgotton?, posted by Dan on Sat Oct 18 14:22:42 2008. Yes that story is real ... they even asked about 388.But they didn't seem serious about preserving the car once they got it. |
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Posted by Mr RT on Mon Oct 20 07:12:45 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 353 simply forgotton?, posted by Stef on Sat Oct 18 13:49:08 2008. Part of the reason it was left in SI was that there was some interest in preserving it that by a local group ... nothing came of it though. Kingston already had a trailer ... it later burned. |
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Posted by FLASH GORDON on Mon Oct 20 08:21:51 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 325 simply forgotton?, posted by Westcode44 on Sun Oct 19 22:44:01 2008. Good you would get the motors too.The pump is worth it even if its dead just for the parts. FLASH GORDON |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Oct 20 11:31:57 2008, in response to Re: Why was SIRT 353 simply forgotton?--and Branford's 388, posted by Westcode44 on Sun Oct 19 22:48:56 2008. If I had the money to be more than a member (and the very occasional pledge contributor), I would. If I didn't have to travel nearly 2 hours each way to get there, I would put in the sweat time. |
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