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Posted by irt1958 on Tue Aug 5 13:22:02 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by Fulton Frank on Tue Aug 5 11:13:05 2008. I remember when I was a kid, in the late 50s, riding from Franklin Ave to Utica as the Lo V Lexington Ave Express shook violently sideways back and forth with a BANG BANG BANG BANG!! In the vestibule; the ultimate RFW. |
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Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Tue Aug 5 13:25:37 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 4 19:21:03 2008. I remember that they ran on a fantrip a while back and they just died out. R9s had to come to the rescue. The Low Vs have not been used on any trips since that day.Where they are? I'm not sure. All I know is that the Low-Vs can not currently run by themselves. They must be pushed around either by other cars or by diesels. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 5 13:30:57 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by FLASH GORDON on Tue Aug 5 11:44:29 2008. It's no use. He won't listen. |
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Posted by metropod on Tue Aug 5 14:01:10 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 5 10:49:16 2008. 207th Flyover, the train didn't need to be in the shops to figure out the wheels were going the wrong direction. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 5 14:12:55 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by metropod on Tue Aug 5 14:01:10 2008. I doubt they would have gotten far if one car was pulling backwards. Like Jeff H said, they weren't wired backwards, but he didn't say what was exactly wrong with them. |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Tue Aug 5 14:16:51 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Aug 5 07:57:35 2008. Placing replica parts isn't the same as an original. Most people, including myself would rather have something close to the original than a replica. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 5 14:22:07 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by 33rd Street on Tue Aug 5 14:16:51 2008. Isn't a replica close to the original? |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Tue Aug 5 14:23:49 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Tue Aug 5 13:25:37 2008. In other words, the Low-V's are like the D-Types. Two fleets that can't run under their own power. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 5 14:24:20 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by 33rd Street on Tue Aug 5 14:16:51 2008. It's not unheard of for steam engine restorers to eitherr make molds of existing parts, so that more can be cast, or to fabricate a new part from original specifications when drawings are available. Would this be acceptible? |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Tue Aug 5 14:26:30 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 5 14:22:07 2008. Not always. A replica lacks certian things an original would have. The material is one. For an example, a brake pad. If it was made from cast iron and the replica was made from stainless steel, it won't come close to the original. |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Tue Aug 5 14:28:59 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 5 14:24:20 2008. If the part was molded from an original, it would be acceptable to use. This is why original drawings and specifications comes in handy. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 5 14:34:22 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by 33rd Street on Tue Aug 5 14:26:30 2008. Well, in case of 'consumable' parts, I don't see a problem with using a modern replica; of couse, if the original lighting was bare-bulbs, I don't expect to see compact flourescents in their place, but improved brake shoes would be OK.You can probably cosmetically restore the headsign on the R32, but you can't remove the air conditioning units, or replace the ceiling with the original fans. Of course, you could just say it's evolution... |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 5 14:36:35 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by irt1958 on Tue Aug 5 13:22:02 2008. They must have hit 50+ MPH. Do you know the actual speed though? |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue Aug 5 16:49:22 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 5 11:52:51 2008. 1. CARLSON, STEPHEN P. AND FRED W. SCHNEIDER III Pcc, the Car That Fought BackGlendale, CA, Interurban Press. 1980, First edition, first printing. (ISBN: 0-916374-41-6). Hardcover. Interurban Special #64. The blue ribbon Presidents' Conference Committee was formed to rescue the slow, stodgy streetcar from extinction. 250 pages with historic photographs, rosters and index, plus two foldout car diagrams of the PCC cars and folded roster in rear pocket. Fine in fine and bright dust jacket. Offered for US$ 165.00 by: Robert Gavora, Fine and Rare Books - Book number: 23591 Here's the link: http://www.antiqbook.com/boox/gavora/23591.shtml That's the best scorce for everything about the PCC car. 2. Join a museum that has PCC cars in the collection and get involved in the active memebership. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 5 17:44:54 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue Aug 5 16:49:22 2008. Thanks for the info...BUT DANG!!!! 165 DOLLARS!!!! DANG!!!!But now here is my question: does that book have diagrams? Does it have info on how the electrical systems worked, and schematics? I am more interested in those types of things, or is that book full of various photos? I would like to learn about the propulsion systems. Also, i found that book on amazon.com. The cheapest there is for 80 dollars. I also found a book called An American Original: The PCC car , and a book called PCC From Coast to Coast. http://www.amazon.com/American-Original-PCC-Interurbans-Special/dp/0916374734/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1217971224&sr=1-11 And http://www.amazon.com/PCC-Coast-Interurbans-Special-86/dp/B000VAD3OE/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1217971224&sr=1-6 respectively, any words on those books as well? |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Tue Aug 5 20:16:29 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by Jeff H. on Tue Aug 5 00:29:23 2008. Thank you for the correction, Jeff. I was just told that they were wired incorrectly, I am not saying that it's exactly what happened. BTW, what exactly was the defective component? |
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Posted by FLASH GORDON on Tue Aug 5 20:23:37 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by Jeff H. on Mon Aug 4 23:29:13 2008. HI JEFFHow can any one make a mistake like that as the leads going to each box is a diffrent lenth so you end up with to much wire or to little. The PC 10 group switch is almost the same as the PC 15 on an R-9. Umless they have bad motors it should be esey to fix. Maybe all the guys who know how to fix this stuff have retired or moved. FLASH GORDON |
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Posted by FLASH GORDON on Tue Aug 5 20:30:11 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by straphanger9 on Mon Aug 4 20:21:17 2008. I think some needs a realty check bad.No body makes any parts now a days they just take a box off the shelf and open it. I don't think GE or WH has any of this stuff left but if they do send me the address of who knows. FLASH GORDON |
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Posted by FLASH GORDON on Tue Aug 5 20:37:33 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 5 13:30:57 2008. I know Steve hes in his own little world ware realty doesan't countbut with almost forty years doing this work I see a clown right away. I got more hours inside a PC group switch than he needs at the doctors. FLASH GORDON |
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Posted by FLASH GORDON on Tue Aug 5 20:46:08 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by Jeff H. on Tue Aug 5 00:29:23 2008. Jeff you are talking to a bunch of clowns in dream land.And this just a LO-V I would hate to think what they would do for a 62. I hope they have enough room in the nut houses when these guys lose it all together. FLASH GORDON |
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Posted by FLASH GORDON on Tue Aug 5 20:49:49 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by monorail on Mon Aug 4 22:14:20 2008. Boy will you be glad when you retire with people like this.FLASH GORDON |
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Posted by FLASH GORDON on Tue Aug 5 20:51:06 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Mon Aug 4 23:47:33 2008. Hope they don't tell you to jump off a tall building.FLASH GORDON |
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Posted by monorail on Tue Aug 5 20:52:07 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by FLASH GORDON on Tue Aug 5 20:51:06 2008. he'd be too busy swimming out of a lake... |
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Posted by FLASH GORDON on Tue Aug 5 20:53:13 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 5 08:06:50 2008. I LOVE YOU.FLASH GORDON |
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Posted by MaBSTOA Yard Dispatcher on Tue Aug 5 20:53:48 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by FLASH GORDON on Tue Aug 5 20:49:49 2008. He is "retired"Some "disability" |
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Posted by FLASH GORDON on Tue Aug 5 20:56:43 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by R33/R36 mainline on Tue Aug 5 11:09:37 2008. Just takes a long time to stop them.FLASH GORDON |
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Posted by monorail on Tue Aug 5 20:59:17 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by FLASH GORDON on Tue Aug 5 20:56:43 2008. there's always a red signaland if not that, then a bumper block |
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Posted by FLASH GORDON on Tue Aug 5 21:03:18 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by monorail on Tue Aug 5 20:52:07 2008. Chain them in the next train to Davy Johns Locker.FLASH GORDON |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Tue Aug 5 21:03:59 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by FLASH GORDON on Tue Aug 5 20:51:06 2008. LOL! |
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Posted by FLASH GORDON on Tue Aug 5 21:04:47 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by monorail on Tue Aug 5 20:59:17 2008. OR ANOTHER TRAIN.FLASH GORDON |
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Posted by FLASH GORDON on Tue Aug 5 21:07:50 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by MaBSTOA Yard Dispatcher on Tue Aug 5 20:53:48 2008. Good I hate to think what he would have to deal with now a dayswith this croud on the lose. FLASH GORDON |
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Posted by MaBSTOA Yard Dispatcher on Tue Aug 5 21:10:29 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by FLASH GORDON on Tue Aug 5 21:07:50 2008. I have to agree with you. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 5 21:14:14 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by FLASH GORDON on Tue Aug 5 21:03:18 2008. Who needs chains? Just let those guys into the cab of a railcar on the barge(make sure the controllers are still there), and you won't have to deal with the criminal charges. |
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Posted by Jeff H. on Tue Aug 5 21:14:27 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by metropod on Tue Aug 5 06:29:06 2008. Hmmm, did he actually say that someone had made a wiring error,or just that one car was observed turning the wrong direction? I hate to be a nit-picker, but partial facts are how rumors spread, and eventually turn into "truths." |
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Posted by monorail on Tue Aug 5 21:16:50 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by FLASH GORDON on Tue Aug 5 21:07:50 2008. what 'croud'? |
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Posted by Jeff H. on Tue Aug 5 21:23:06 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Aug 5 03:20:37 2008. It was an insulation failure in a relay which has both600V and 32V circuits running through it. The failure was most likely caused by age/hours of run time on the coil. The location of the failure was such that it only created a short circuit when gravity was on its side, i.e. when the car was pointing uphill in one direction (say towards the #1 end.. I really don't remember which way). This condition, in combination with a reverser that had somewhat leaky cups and needed more lube, created a "one in a million" condition which allowed the reverser to set up in the wrong direction, AND completed the interlock which allowed the line switch to pick up and the group to run up. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Tue Aug 5 21:24:29 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by Jeff H. on Tue Aug 5 21:23:06 2008. Ah, alright, thanks for the info. |
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Posted by FLASH GORDON on Tue Aug 5 21:30:47 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by Jeff H. on Tue Aug 5 21:23:06 2008. Hope you are getting good at rewinding relays as the day willcome when your skill will be put to good use.Some of this sounds like when Eddy put in a new ELR and hooked up the 600 to the wrong contacks. FLASH GORDON |
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Posted by FLASH GORDON on Tue Aug 5 21:33:44 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by monorail on Tue Aug 5 21:16:50 2008. Your right that would insult the monkeys in the zoo.FLASH GORDON |
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Posted by FLASH GORDON on Tue Aug 5 21:36:09 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by Jeff H. on Tue Aug 5 21:14:27 2008. WHAT IS TRUTH???????Not on this message board. FLASH GORDON |
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Posted by FLASH GORDON on Tue Aug 5 21:38:20 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 5 21:14:14 2008. SO TRUE.Put fly paper on the handles to make sure. FLASH GORDON |
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Posted by FLASH GORDON on Tue Aug 5 21:46:13 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 5 14:22:07 2008. How do you know that the original is not a replica of anoriginal? FLASH GORDON |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Tue Aug 5 21:48:53 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by Jeff H. on Tue Aug 5 21:23:06 2008. Thanks for this Jeff. It sounds like a 1-in-a-million indeed. I wish I understood all of the components you mentioned. I am a physicist, but have never been able to find info on the systems of resistor grids, group switches and reversers and cams i have heard you experts speak of. Can you point me anywhere? |
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Posted by FLASH GORDON on Tue Aug 5 21:49:16 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by 33rd Street on Tue Aug 5 14:26:30 2008. Will cost a hell of a lot more too.FLASH GORDON |
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Posted by FLASH GORDON on Tue Aug 5 21:51:34 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 5 14:34:22 2008. Can't use those new bulbs on a car with DC lights.FLASH GORDON |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue Aug 5 22:03:06 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 5 17:44:54 2008. Get both of them.I wasn't kidding about joining a Museum with PCC cars in the collection. Get involved with the maintenance side of every operating museum and learn. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 5 22:06:01 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by FLASH GORDON on Tue Aug 5 20:56:43 2008. Oh stop it ... fire up 5466 and Unca Selkoik show you the patented four-sided wheel brick wall stop ... perfected on arnines, made real on LoV's. :) |
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Posted by FLASH GORDON on Tue Aug 5 22:12:28 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 5 22:06:01 2008. You woke up at last.Just when you think it couldn't get any worse it did. FLASH GORDON |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 5 22:17:59 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue Aug 5 22:03:06 2008. I know you weren't kidding but at the moment, it is unrealistic for me. :(What i would like to know is if those books have information on the propulsion systems of the cars, and diagrams. |
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