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What is the mechanical condition of the Low V? |
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Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Mon Aug 4 14:42:52 2008 Does anybody know the mechanical condition of the Low V? And why it hasn't ran in two years? Is there something wrong with it or the MTA doesn't like using them for Fan trips anymore? |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Mon Aug 4 16:34:26 2008, in response to What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by R33/R36 mainline on Mon Aug 4 14:42:52 2008. They have not run in such a long time because there resistor grids were wired wrong and it burned up the grids. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 4 19:21:03 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Mon Aug 4 16:34:26 2008. That is a lame excuse. I read here it had to do with the motors(over 100 years old, they need an overhaul, don't you think?). Changing out resistor grids is no big deal.Also, saying they were wired wrong implies someone didn't know what they were doing. Had they been wired wrong, they wouldn't run properly, and these meuseum cars probably get maintanence from older guys who are more familiar with them. Heck, it sounds like the MTA needs me to get down to some of their shops, and TEACH those people how to take care of railcars. I can only imagine how much abuse those poor R32s get. And then they get dumped into the ocean. Oh, and don't give me "these are old cars, finding parts for them is hard" BS ARGUEMENT, because the parts are NOT hard to find. If anything, the shops have to make them. You don't need the same exact resistor packs, what you need is an equal replacement, which gives the same resistance. MTA= Full of BS transit agency. |
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Posted by Broadway Buffer on Mon Aug 4 19:41:47 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 4 19:21:03 2008. I read here it had to do with the motors(over 100 years old, they need an overhaul, don't you think?).Maybe MK can help. |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Mon Aug 4 20:10:24 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 4 19:21:03 2008. Its amazing to see you lack common sense.. I'll say it again and again, finding parts for equipment such as the Low-V's are hard to come by. When it comes to train parts, you need to make sure its the same exact thing. |
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Posted by Jeff H. on Mon Aug 4 20:16:01 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Mon Aug 4 16:34:26 2008. Why do you say that the grids were "wired wrong" ? |
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Posted by MaBSTOA Yard Dispatcher on Mon Aug 4 20:18:00 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Mon Aug 4 16:34:26 2008. Dude, stop now as you really have no idea what you are talking about. |
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Posted by straphanger9 on Mon Aug 4 20:21:17 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 4 19:21:03 2008. Heck, it sounds like the MTA needs me to get down to some of their shops, and TEACH those people how to take care of railcars.You sure about that? How much experience do you have maintaining railcars? Oh, and don't give me "these are old cars, finding parts for them is hard" BS ARGUEMENT, because the parts are NOT hard to find. If anything, the shops have to make them. It's not knowing where to get parts, they know where to find every part, it's the COSTS involved because they have to get parts from all over the country. The average rider wants their service maintained first and foremost, most don't even KNOW about the nostalgia specials, much less want to hear about resources that could be used to service their line are being used to get a train that runs very rarely back to operable condition. |
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Posted by metropod on Mon Aug 4 20:52:03 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 4 19:21:03 2008. Once again you speak and once again all that comes out is B/S asumptions, and you remember what happens when you assume?Frist, the 4 car low-v mueseum train is techincally the the property of Railway Preservation Corp; the MTA is not techincally responcible for them. Second. Actually, someone did wire them backwards once. I was there when they discovered it. You know, people do make mistakes. Acutally, on average, the people who foul up the most are the new guys and the old guys. The new guys for plain old being new, and the old guys for geting complacient in thier work. Third, the parts are in fact extreamly rare, espicaly if they are as old as the car, they all might not work. There are some parts in abundiace, such as Arnine lubricator pads, but a useable low-v resitor grid might be hard to find. |
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Posted by monorail on Mon Aug 4 22:14:20 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by MaBSTOA Yard Dispatcher on Mon Aug 4 20:18:00 2008. gotta stop before he posts your personal info..... |
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Posted by Lord Vader on Mon Aug 4 23:02:07 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 4 19:21:03 2008. Not a lame excuse. Parts for these cars are almost non-existant and sometimes improvision has to take place. Now unless you have gotten down and dirty to repair such equipment, then speak. But since you haven't, you have no idea what kind of work has to go into these vintage cars. Maybe one day, you can donate some time and visit us up at BERA and see what it takes to maintain our trolley and subway fleet. T'aint easy McGee so watch your p's and q's before you post.Vader |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Aug 4 23:06:46 2008, in response to What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by R33/R36 mainline on Mon Aug 4 14:42:52 2008. I attended all but one of the MOD trips which used them and they appeared to be basket cases even when they were good to go. I remember the 11/2004 FUBAR when they struggled (and failed) to rise up the ramp at 207th St. for a planned run down to South Ferry. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 4 23:27:36 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by metropod on Mon Aug 4 20:52:03 2008. Someone screwed in a lightbulb backwards? |
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Posted by Jeff H. on Mon Aug 4 23:29:13 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by metropod on Mon Aug 4 20:52:03 2008. How did "someone wire them backwards"? What exactly are youreferring to....what time period? |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 4 23:30:17 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by 33rd Street on Mon Aug 4 20:10:24 2008. No, you do not have to make sure it is the "exact same thing". Like someone else here said, you have to improvise. People underestimate themselves, which is a shame. Would you not touch a bag of sand because there is a label that says sand causes cancer? |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 4 23:35:14 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by Lord Vader on Mon Aug 4 23:02:07 2008. At least you make sense, thank you. I know it isn't easy, but i am asking an expert now... are resistor grids a big deal? Don't you just need the right resistance? MAybe get a smee resistor grid, and cut out any excess resistance or something.The most difficult thinga about these cars seems to be size, and the heavy duty parts needed, like rewinding a BIG traction motor isn't like rewinding a small toy motor. Jeff H explained it to me a while ago....but the concept is the same. |
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Posted by metropod on Mon Aug 4 23:37:41 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by Jeff H. on Mon Aug 4 23:29:13 2008. about 4 years ago, some how, one of the cars was wried in reverse, putting power in forward gear, sent the cars wheel's spinning backwards. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 4 23:39:32 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by Jeff H. on Mon Aug 4 23:29:13 2008. That guy is out to prove i am wrong. All i get from him are negative responses. Which is funny, since my credibility is 0, why mess it up any further? Not that it matters, but it is annoying to see people attack your posts. The thing is that i think my post makes sense, and it still gets scrutinized. |
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Posted by metropod on Mon Aug 4 23:43:24 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 4 23:39:32 2008. I'm trying to send a message. I'm not going to say it any more straight forward than this: STOP POSTING YOUR CRAP OPPINIONS! come back when you can have an intellignet discussion with the rest of us. One based in facts, not on what you think is the right. |
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Lame excuse? Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V? |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Mon Aug 4 23:45:53 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 4 19:21:03 2008. Oh really? Um, Dude, i got this info from personnel who work at that barn and know EXACTLY what happened, that is not a lame excuse. Oh and you? Thinking you can teach the older guys how to work on trains that have been working down there longer then you have BEEN ALIVE? Good thing you don't show up on fan trips... |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Mon Aug 4 23:47:06 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by Jeff H. on Mon Aug 4 20:16:01 2008. Thats what I was told. Unless you know exactly what happened. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Mon Aug 4 23:47:33 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by MaBSTOA Yard Dispatcher on Mon Aug 4 20:18:00 2008. I'm saying from what I have been told. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 4 23:51:12 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by metropod on Mon Aug 4 23:37:41 2008. It is interesting to know it hapenned though....but that is a fishy post there. I don't mean to nitpick, but what type of transmission did this car have? Did the clutch burn out? Are you even talking about trains anymore? In all seriousness now, did that really happen? That has nothing to do with resistor grids anyways though. It seems like a problem with the way the reverser controls were wired. And does that have something to do with why they are out of service? Did the resistor grids melt due to the overload or something? |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 4 23:55:54 2008, in response to Lame excuse? Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Mon Aug 4 23:45:53 2008. Listen guy, you took some parts too seriously. I am not such an arrogant idiot to have really meant that, i meant that in a jake way. I know those guys know more than i do. But seriously, that person may have known what hapenned, but then he maybe said something SLIGHTLY different, and then maybe you misinterpreted it....plus time change your memories a bit...and here we are.Note the other people here disagree with you as well. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Aug 5 00:11:56 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 4 23:35:14 2008. Resistor grids can be rebuilt- It just is a tedious lengthy project. |
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Posted by Jeff H. on Tue Aug 5 00:22:51 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by metropod on Mon Aug 4 23:37:41 2008. So you were there when the defect was observed, but were youactually in the pit when the cause of the problem was located and repaired? |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Aug 5 00:28:24 2008, in response to Re: Lame excuse? Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 4 23:55:54 2008. Oh no, scumbag, most of us disagree with YOU!Got a banana you can do something with? Unpeeled, of course. |
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Posted by Jeff H. on Tue Aug 5 00:29:23 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Mon Aug 4 23:47:06 2008. It's interesting...two posters here claim to know exactly whathappened. But clearly they are getting secondhand or thirdhand information. As a matter of fact, I do know exactly what happened, because I diagnosed the problem, and held the defective component in my hands. It absolutely had nothing to do with a wiring error. Think about it...if the car had been "wired backwards" then it would have ALWAYS been going the wrong way. Don't you think that would have gotten noticed quickly? |
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Posted by monorail on Tue Aug 5 00:33:33 2008, in response to Re: Lame excuse? Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Aug 5 00:28:24 2008. comments like thislessen your credibility...... |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Tue Aug 5 00:38:08 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 4 23:30:17 2008. Ummm.....you do need the exact same thing or else it won't work properly. Just shut your yap and go bake me some chocolate chip cookies. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Aug 5 03:20:37 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by Jeff H. on Tue Aug 5 00:29:23 2008. As a matter of fact, I do know exactly what happened, because Idiagnosed the problem, and held the defective component in my hands. It absolutely had nothing to do with a wiring error. So what did it have anything to do with? |
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Posted by metropod on Tue Aug 5 06:29:06 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by Jeff H. on Tue Aug 5 00:22:51 2008. I was on the train when it happened, Bill Wall explained what had happened to everyone. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Aug 5 07:57:35 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by 33rd Street on Tue Aug 5 00:38:08 2008. Ummm.....you do need the exact same thing or else it won't work properly.No, there are "improvised" solutions that would work, but it wouldn't be a museum-quality restoration. It's like putting electronic fuel injection into a Model A or vinyl replacement windows on a historic home - it might "work," but it isn't restoration. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 5 08:06:50 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Aug 4 23:06:46 2008. I rode on them during the Parade of Trains in 2004 and while they ran fine, they just weren't the same as the R-1/9s. Maybe it's because I never rode on any prewar IRT equipment prior to that. And while I rode on the BMT standards for two years, even they don't hold a candle to the R-1/9s. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 5 10:49:16 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by metropod on Tue Aug 5 06:29:06 2008. Were you in the shops? |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 5 10:51:08 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by Jeff H. on Tue Aug 5 00:29:23 2008. That is my idea too. Had the wheels been spinning backwards the whole time...it would have been noticed before passengers got on it.Was the issue a reverser controller or something? May you tell us what hapenned? |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Tue Aug 5 11:04:44 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Aug 4 23:06:46 2008. A week or two after that failed MOD Lo-V trip they repaired the error. (It was one incorrectly wired motor in the rear of the train. I was there. We got a voucher for the next trip - a week or two later - and they ran fine. I was at the head end on that trip and at one point, when we were were running down the east side, I think, a C/R came up to the cab and asked the T/O to please slow it down there was too much sway in the rear somewhere an people might get injured. But, we were roaring! i believe the T/O was a guy named "D" Type Tony and he remarked "today we put the 'rapid' back into 'rapid transit'...."!. The Lo-V set worked fine that day. |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Tue Aug 5 11:08:42 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 4 23:51:12 2008. ... The train ran fine a week of two later. I was on it. I videoed... see my post below. |
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Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Tue Aug 5 11:09:37 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by Fulton Frank on Tue Aug 5 11:04:44 2008. That must have awsome riding the low V down the lex express! |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Tue Aug 5 11:13:05 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by R33/R36 mainline on Tue Aug 5 11:09:37 2008. I tell you it was. We were holding on for dear life! I cam-corded it on old mini vcr format else I'd post the run here. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 5 11:15:57 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 4 23:39:32 2008. It's funny you think your credibility is that high. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 5 11:19:09 2008, in response to Re: Lame excuse? Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 4 23:55:54 2008. Wait, so you're saying that he's wrong, because he may have misinterpeted something that was said directly to him, when you have NO KNOWLEDGE WHATSOEVER about the conversation that took place, and no knowledge of the situation other than what YOU HEARD on this board?Please pull your head out of your ass and put it in the sand where something might actually crawl in and add some intelligence. |
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Posted by FLASH GORDON on Tue Aug 5 11:44:29 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 4 19:21:03 2008. DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.Unless you have been down to check out the cars and know what the real problem is you are making a lot of hot air over something you know nothing about. FLASH GORDON |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 5 11:46:40 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by Fulton Frank on Tue Aug 5 11:04:44 2008. COOL. Did those cars run faster than the current ones? |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue Aug 5 11:49:06 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 5 11:15:57 2008. JournalSquare-K-Car's credibility is so low you need to go into the deepest diamond mine in South Africa to find it.I suspect JournalSquare-K-Car is 14 or 15 years old and all he knows is what he's read on the Net. When I was 14 and 15 I hung out in the BTC carhouses and the shopmen taught me how PCC cars worked (both GE cars and Westinghouse cars, there are major differences in control equipment and maintenance. I kept my mouth shut and only asked the right questions. In early and middle 1963 I was running in-service cars on all-night runs. There were several of us who were doing it and BTC carhouse management knew it. |
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Posted by FLASH GORDON on Tue Aug 5 11:52:50 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by 33rd Street on Mon Aug 4 20:10:24 2008. Thanks but these guys are like talking to a brick wall and have know understanding about parts.I have been doing it for near forty years and nothing you do will make them understand. If you take anything off these cars and let them lay around they go into the dumpster. People drive you nuts with get this car and that but with out parts the cars will be dead in a year. Parts mean tons of them not just a few boxs of things that never ware out. FLASH GORDON |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 5 11:52:51 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue Aug 5 11:49:06 2008. Do you know any sources of information about the mechanics of PCC railcars? |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 5 11:53:25 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue Aug 5 11:49:06 2008. Ah, the days before excessive liabilty litigation. |
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Posted by TunnelRat on Tue Aug 5 12:41:15 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by Fulton Frank on Tue Aug 5 11:04:44 2008. The motor was running in reverse. |
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Posted by TunnelRat on Tue Aug 5 12:48:40 2008, in response to Re: What is the mechanical condition of the Low V?, posted by TunnelRat on Tue Aug 5 12:41:15 2008. I,ll elaborate.according to nate gerstein& mike hanna,some of the owners of the low-v`s that`s just what happened.both of these guys are friends of mine &I heard it from them.billy wall also told me the same thing. |
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