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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 6 14:02:47 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by Railman718 on Tue May 6 13:51:02 2008. I didn't challenge that assertion, just that a potential R179 would replace the hippos before many of them reach 30 years of service. The R179 is needed to replace the R44's and R46's, which will all turn 40 in less than a decade. I'm pretty sure the MTA would want to replace the R44's ASAP with new 75' cars. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue May 6 14:04:35 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 6 14:02:47 2008. You beat me too it i was about to say just that after i thought about what i posted.That that is what you meant, my bad.. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue May 6 14:05:42 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 6 13:28:15 2008. Would it therefore be cheaper to buy new cars than it would to make the existing cars CBTC-capable? |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue May 6 14:07:51 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by ClearAspect on Tue May 6 14:02:02 2008. Oh yeah those R142's on a Line that 90% outdoors..Lots of fun... |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Tue May 6 14:20:29 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by Railman718 on Tue May 6 14:07:51 2008. seriously, in a pouring rain the R-142s are okay but in misty or light rain those trains are a hassle to keep under control, you hear that moan they make when the brake is being applied its like the train intentionally is trying to resist it. Every time I come out of the portal and its misty or light rain and Im in an R142 I do pray.How are the R-160s in the rain tho do they suffer from the same problems as the R-142s or can they actually handle the misty and light rain flawlessly? Like I said if they're gonna bring in the 142/a to the 7 they MUST correct the problem when it comes to braking in light rain/snow misty weather. Its okay on the deuce or 4 or 5 when you're only outside but for so long but the 7 like you said its 90% outdoors and a lot of the stations you have very short boards so play room is not an option at some of these stations. Only stations you got play room on the 7 is 33/40/46/74/61 and Junction outside of those the rest of the markers are at the edge of the platform. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Tue May 6 14:49:36 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by R36 #9346 on Tue May 6 14:01:16 2008. True, there's enough light bulbs available.BUT, if you end up using the light bulbs furthest to the left or right, there'd be no room on the overlaying strip map to show the station names, because it would overlap the directional arrow. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue May 6 14:57:21 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by G1Ravage on Tue May 6 14:49:36 2008. Put the station names underneath or cover up part of the arrow. I don't think either would be the end of the world. Or leave out the local stations because the 2 and 4 only make those stops during the overnight hours. The map doesn't say that a 2 stops at 79th Street or that a 4 stops at Astor Place, why should the strip maps? |
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Posted by randyo on Tue May 6 15:00:19 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by R36 #9346 on Tue May 6 07:54:36 2008. If you want to go back a few years, the BMT Multis probably had the shortest service life of any non experimental car fleet. they entered service in 1936 on the newly created 14 St/Fulton St Line (and 14 St/Canarsie Line as well) and ended service on the Myrtle/Chambers Line in 1961 a service life of 25 years. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Tue May 6 15:04:30 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by ClearAspect on Tue May 6 14:02:02 2008. Also with the FIND system they need to organize the find system so much better, they program that in a way that at the top are the normal routes, normal southbound, normal northbound routes for the day then underneath that the various different routes for every line. You have to go through sometimes 20-25 different southbound options before you find the northbound route that the route uses 99% of the time. God help the D line crews when they get R-160s since the D has a god awful amount of reroutes it can go through.Huh? Are you R-160 qualified? Sorry, I don't know where you work. When you first set-up the route on an R-160, you select the line, the direction (North or South), the day (Weekday or Weekend), and then the Interval of your train. It then gives you a list of all the possible destinations for that direction only (north or south), with the most commonly used destinations on top. The rest are listed below in alphabetical order. After selecting your destination, the TOD gives you all of the available routes to that destination, starting with normal operating patterns (000 series), followed by differing stopping patterns (100 series), and then reoutes onto other lines (200 series). |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 6 15:05:30 2008, in response to A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by North-Easten T/O on Tue May 6 00:54:37 2008. The R179's are trueDid someone say they were false? or duplicitous? or treacherous . . . ? (I'd hate to hear of an R179 ratting out its own crew.) The R142/a's will be getting a up greed What are they greedy for? Tell 'em there's an energy shortage on and to stop being so selfish. BTW, over how many Mondays did you hear all of this? |
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Posted by randyo on Tue May 6 15:07:00 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by Eric B on Tue May 6 12:47:55 2008. Even though passing between cars under normal cicumstances is prohibited, it is still physically possible under certain emergency conditions. On 75 ft equipment, the doors are actually locked and there is at present no provision for individual passengers to unlock them even under severe emergency conditions. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Tue May 6 15:10:52 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue May 6 14:57:21 2008. The (4) line strip map does show the local stops, which is useful for late-night runs and weekend service changes.As for showing the station names on the bottom for the (2) line, it wouldn't work on the left side, because it would cover up the "Route Change - Map Not In Use" message, and TA would probably feel it looked somewhat out of place to have most stations on top of the map line, and a few on the bottom. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Tue May 6 15:12:35 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by randyo on Tue May 6 15:07:00 2008. Train crews can unlock the doors from any cab. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Tue May 6 15:21:58 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by R36 #9346 on Tue May 6 07:51:02 2008. The 5 via 7th Avenue Local AFAIK is not available.Yeah, there's no (5) via Seventh Avenue Local routing. There are many R-142 routings that I believe aren't available for use because of memory contraints in the R-142 computers. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Tue May 6 15:23:53 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 6 15:05:30 2008. BTW, over how many Mondays did you hear all of this?Sounds like someone has a case of the Mondays. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Tue May 6 15:28:15 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by G1Ravage on Tue May 6 15:04:30 2008. OH! Nice, I didn't know they did that on the R-160s, I'm exclusive to the R-142/142a programming, the what seems to be ancient way of doing things, if thats how the R-142s will be programmed in the future thank you god, hopefully they'll improve also the announcements as well. Some of the announcements are far too long, especially on the 6 line with Parkchester, Westchester Sq, E 143 St, and Morrison-Sound View, if they can just shorten those it'd be much nicer.Also they need to just say "This is Pehlam Express 6 Train" instead of "This is a 6 Local Train making express stops in the bronx" I look forward to this FIND system, I thought that was the name for the route programming selection period. Thanks for that update. |
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Posted by monorail on Tue May 6 15:54:36 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 6 11:14:35 2008. when the 'E' had them, they noticed that dwell times increasedthen the 46's went to the 'N' and the 32's went to the 'E' |
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Posted by monorail on Tue May 6 15:55:58 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by randyo on Tue May 6 15:07:00 2008. 'and there is at present no provision for individual passengers to unlock them'what about 2 passengers trying to open them at the same time? |
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Posted by monorail on Tue May 6 16:04:58 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by ClearAspect on Tue May 6 14:02:02 2008. 'We've been waiting for the R-142s on the 7 forever'when the line opened, doubt anyone knew what a 142 was.......... 'those cars suck in misty/light rain weather, they buck, moan, wheels lock, train slips, slides, you name it, it's done it' sounds like some passengers I knew...... |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Tue May 6 16:51:54 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by monorail on Tue May 6 16:04:58 2008. it took you longer than expected to take what I wrote and make it into a abbot and costello skit, what took so long? |
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Posted by monorail on Tue May 6 16:54:04 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by ClearAspect on Tue May 6 16:51:54 2008. not on the board all daygotta read the posts in the order that they are made sorry if you were disappointed |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Tue May 6 17:14:00 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by monorail on Tue May 6 16:54:04 2008. you owe me an old 70s map and the picture you took of me at Grand Central that day then I'll forgive you |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue May 6 18:12:39 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by G1Ravage on Tue May 6 15:21:58 2008. What are they running, 286's?-w- |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 6 18:13:58 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by R36 #9346 on Tue May 6 14:05:42 2008. I doubt the MTA can afford to CBTC the entire system before the R68's reach the end of their lives. |
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Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Tue May 6 18:36:30 2008, in response to A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by North-Easten T/O on Tue May 6 00:54:37 2008. This is bad news from a railfan POV. But think its kinda stupid to retire cars that are leading the fleet in MDBF and are not even 30 years old. Same goes for the R62/A they are great reliable cars holding up well no need to retire them so young. And what is replacing the phase I R32s? I think putting FINDs on the 142/As will hard a thing to do. Being that they gotta reprogram the computer systems and all. And isnt the MTA having money problems? How are they going to pay for all this stuff? And what populsion sound will the R179s have? But its knida depressing that the R46/62/A and 68/A will be retired soon. Sad just sad... |
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Posted by 7th Avenue Express on Tue May 6 18:37:50 2008, in response to A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by North-Easten T/O on Tue May 6 00:54:37 2008. Wow, the R68s getting replaced less than the 40 year life span for a subway car |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue May 6 18:57:47 2008, in response to A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by North-Easten T/O on Tue May 6 00:54:37 2008. Good riddance to the R68s. |
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Posted by Jeff H. on Tue May 6 19:38:48 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by randyo on Tue May 6 15:00:19 2008. BluebirdsAnd going very, very far back, the original Brooklyn Bridge cars |
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Posted by JBar387 on Tue May 6 20:41:35 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 6 13:28:15 2008. Yes the abuse really took there toll on them. But from what I read in some books, the MTA explored the idea of overhauling them but were way too expensive to do. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue May 6 21:24:48 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by R33/R36 mainline on Tue May 6 18:36:30 2008. Phase I R32's are staying, all the one's being stripped and barged/reefed are Phase II's. Phase I's from Pitkin/207 are replacing them. We'll see what Jamaica gets down the line once Pitkin/207 has no more Phase I's to transfer. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Tue May 6 21:38:01 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue May 6 18:12:39 2008. Worse, IIRC. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue May 6 21:41:58 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by Eric B on Tue May 6 12:43:33 2008. So the R143s will never find their was to the (G), (J), and/or (Z) lines? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue May 6 21:42:23 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue May 6 21:41:58 2008. Oops, "(G)" should be (C). |
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Posted by Eric B on Tue May 6 21:44:00 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue May 6 21:41:58 2008. Most likely not. They'll have 160's. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Tue May 6 21:45:41 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by ClearAspect on Tue May 6 15:28:15 2008. No problem. I spent a year and a half in the A Div, mainly on the (6) and (7).The FIND refers specifically to the R-160's electronic strip map. The TOD display is largely identical to the R-142A, with some slight operational improvements. Selecting a route is much more organized, as I just described, but the computer is also much faster. When you select a route, it activates and plays the announcement immediately. Similarly, when selecting a Special Announcement, it plays immediately. There are also improvements in how the distance counter "resets" at stations, and the R-160 also allows you to alter the stopping pattern of the very next station, so you can go "express" on the fly. |
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Posted by Broadway Buffer on Tue May 6 22:27:27 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 6 14:02:47 2008. They could send the hippos to Staten and claim NYCT has greater need for new tech equipment. If anything they might last longer there than they ever would here. =) |
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Posted by monorail on Tue May 6 22:55:53 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by ClearAspect on Tue May 6 17:14:00 2008. huh?????don't think I know what you mean.... |
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Posted by monorail on Tue May 6 23:02:55 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue May 6 18:57:47 2008. agreed!!!! |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue May 6 23:09:34 2008, in response to A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by North-Easten T/O on Tue May 6 00:54:37 2008. Ok, so they are getting rid of pretty good, and sturdy ALL stainless steel cars, the Budd BRightliners, BUT, they are over 40 years old, so there IS a SLIGHT justification there, in terms of age only. They shouldn't be reefed though, have lots of life, need a rebuild. More is justification for the not all stainless steel cars with roof rust and more rust, which would be difficult to save them...NOW, however, TA is planning to replace the R68s and R62s? Some of the most reliable cars in the fleet...WITHIN TEN YEARS!! MTA: "Wait a minute, what revenue decrease??, lets buy up some new cars so we can get more commision in our pockets!!" they might forget to postpone SAS another 10 years as well, but they do good in the department of delaying SAS, look at the past 70 years. Northeastern, is this the truth? Was this guy pulling your leg, or will the TA really go further into their game of dickoslap? |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Tue May 6 23:10:32 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by monorail on Tue May 6 22:55:53 2008. you have mail |
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Posted by monorail on Tue May 6 23:19:37 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by ClearAspect on Tue May 6 23:10:32 2008. I also have garbage, I have the TV on, and I agree with Simon so far...... |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Tue May 6 23:44:14 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by Eric B on Tue May 6 21:44:00 2008. One day they will go out to other lines as soon as they installed the CBTC system on the R160 cars. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Tue May 6 23:49:02 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue May 6 18:12:39 2008. Boy, thats really old processor.R142/A should be running on Windows ME OS. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Tue May 6 23:50:44 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 6 18:13:58 2008. Agreed. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Tue May 6 23:51:57 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by R36 #9346 on Tue May 6 07:54:36 2008. Agreed. At least run all the trains up to the 'limit' of 40 years of service then scrap them or mothball them. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Tue May 6 23:53:29 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by monorail on Tue May 6 23:19:37 2008. its rigged! its all rigged! Take out the garbage too! |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Wed May 7 00:33:20 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by Broadway Buffer on Tue May 6 22:27:27 2008. Only 64 [+/- 8 more] though, no need to send more than that. Plus they could run in 2-car sets [w/out need to cut out the 'B' cars] for overnight service. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Wed May 7 00:34:28 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 6 14:02:47 2008. Totally agreed. There's more than enough R44/46's to replace b4 they need to order new cars to replace the R68/a's. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Wed May 7 00:39:09 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by Grand concourse on Wed May 7 00:34:28 2008. If we don't count R160s, the R46s are the most populous type of equipment in the B division by far. So, yeah, they will need to be replaced for quite some time before R68s |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Wed May 7 00:41:43 2008, in response to Re: A few thing I heard on Mondays., posted by J trainloco on Wed May 7 00:39:09 2008. There's 752 R46s (which set a record for the largest passenger car order in US history, surpassed by the R62A in 1986, then by the R142 in 2002 and now the R160). |
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