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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jan 12 20:58:04 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jan 11 22:21:47 2008. There's a shortage of housing in New York. Direct price regulation of the rental market wasn't effective in increasing the amount - let alone the quality of - affordable housing stock.Nowadays, with direct rent regulation fading away - or 'phasing out' - in our area, the goal is to increase the amount of 'affordable' housing stock in some other fashion. So there are set-asides for below-market rates, but not nearly enough to put a dent in the deficit. There's precious little government funding for affordable housing (which is one reason why the set-asides are attractive, because the piggyback off of private sector money, or at least they appear to). It's a huge problem for our area and in many urban areas. Facing up to the dilemma and solving it will take a lot. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Jan 12 21:07:17 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Howard Fein on Fri Jan 11 09:59:30 2008. I do in fact work slightly southeast of the station. It's close enough that I just leave my car in the parking lot at work and walk to the platform. With several Manhattan clients, we find that very convenient especially if we have to visit one on short notice or for less than a full day. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Jan 12 21:14:54 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 10 22:06:44 2008. "The trouble with that connection to Brooklyn on the weekend is that it's a frequency of 2 tph."I'm not really complaining; actually, what I could do is park in Hempstead on weekends and just take the Brooklyn train from there-- but it takes me about fifteen minutes more and some expensive gasoline to get to Hempstead, so I really don't save anything. Sometimes the connection works better if the timetable is adjusted for trackwork or something, but usually it's at least a ten-minute wait. Driving in Brooklyn is awful though. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Jan 12 22:44:36 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 12 02:57:04 2008. Must say I'm surprised to see you pulling for FRA commuter rail service over lower-fare FTA rail serviceActually there's a reason why I'd lean towards the FRA solution in this case. It was existing, operating trackage that was probably working better under the status quo than with service via the IND Mainline. In effect, the loss of direct service to Penn Station made trips to midtown much longer and further isolated the central part of the peninsula making travel to the rest of the city slower. Had the line been fed into the Queens Railway, I'd have less objections, but the Queens Railway express and local tracks aren't exactly amenable to additional service. In effect, I see the LIRR option as a second best for Queens until entirely new higher speed railway trunks are built for the subway. BTW, dude, CNJ terminal is dead. HBLR won. 8 minute headways at 55mph MAS and a $1.90 fare. :) Don't be surprised if you fall in love with a girl that has the face of an angel . . . and B-cups She has small Cs, a one year old daughter, and a boyfriend. She's 19 and no college. I feel sick. :-/ |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 12 22:55:32 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Jan 12 22:44:36 2008. Actually there's a reason why I'd lean towards the FRA solution in this case. It was existing, operating trackage that was probably working better under the status quo than with service via the IND Mainline. In effect, the loss of direct service to Penn Station made trips to midtown much longer and further isolated the central part of the peninsula making travel to the rest of the city slower.Had the line been fed into the Queens Railway, I'd have less objections, but the Queens Railway express and local tracks aren't exactly amenable to additional service. In effect, I see the LIRR option as a second best for Queens until entirely new higher speed railway trunks are built for the subway. That's still very lucid thinking there. Kudos. CNJ terminal is dead. HBLR won. 8 minute headways at 55mph MAS and a $1.90 fare Not to mention $107 million per mile on pre-existing ROW, and you aren't going any further than Bayonne. Light rail's supposed to be cheap. (Side-by-side commuter/light rail wouldn't bother me, if all things were even, frankly.) |
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Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Drink Tea and play poker |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Jan 12 23:28:41 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Drink Tea and play poker, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jan 11 22:47:04 2008. My proof: Look at housing stock in the South Bronx today. Look at the Arverne by the Sea project. Look at Harlem. Look at Jamaica. Look at the rezoning happening nowalong Hillside Avenue.AFAIC, none of the above were planned mixed housings. They were byproducts of too-high rent in the city. The only mixed housing I can think of off the top my head is Roosevelt Island, while there could be others and I don't exactly call it a success. Battery Park City was supposed to be a mixed housing but the PA made sure it was not going to be and it's not. Most of the affordable housing in East Village and LES goes to the shop owners and self-employed who can report lower income but have enough money and education to use/hire brains to get them. Rarely to the poor. You guys should move this to the OT chat. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jan 12 23:35:45 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Drink Tea and play poker, posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Jan 12 23:28:41 2008. "AFAIC, none of the above were planned mixed housings."Nonsense. There are plenty of controlled or subsidized units in these places. Battery Park is a different story; I'll take your word for it. Yeah, it should go to OT. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jan 13 00:36:43 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 12 22:55:32 2008. Well, you can have street running commuter rail, like they have in Michigan City, Indiana. The cars and train mix without even a painted line to separate them. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Jan 13 01:16:58 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 12 22:55:32 2008. That's still very lucid thinking there. Kudos.Given the average speeds and capacity issues in NYCTA, I don't think it's prudent to add extensions to lines that are overcapacity. The numerous Queens Railway extensions into Southeastern Queens would reduce commutes somewhat, but would aggrivate the capacity issues further westward on the line. A new trunk would be needed to free up room for other passengers and to redistribute passenger loading. Not to mention $107 million per mile on pre-existing ROW, and you aren't going any further than Bayonne. Light rail's supposed to be cheap. (Side-by-side commuter/light rail wouldn't bother me, if all things were even, frankly.) I'm almost tempted to say that using arguments of cost per mile is fruitless and dangerous because it doesn't lend justice to proper accounting. Costs are lumped together and do not take into account differences in costs of construction at various points along the line (e.g. overpasses/elevated segments versus street running versus running thru swamps). In the case of HBLR and RiverLINE, the DBOM contracts that were set up muddle the process even further, and IIRC, I don't think the breakdown costs of the project were put into the public spectrum. BTW, if you're bored, we could always extend HBLR into a tunnel under Newark Bay to connect with the semi-aborted Union County Light Rail. Then have the Bayonne Bridge extension to Staten Island. Two seat ride from Staten Island to Elizabeth by train. :) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 13 07:18:28 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jan 12 19:57:18 2008. Another opinion article with no data.and anti-mixed model citations anybody has brought into this thread have been simply partisan opinions with no analysis. That's Worthless. Excuse me, but you haven't even brought one article, opinion or otherwise, into this thread to support or back up your opinion claim. That I am afraid is also worthless. |
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