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Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters

Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Jan 13 01:16:58 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 12 22:55:32 2008.

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That's still very lucid thinking there. Kudos.

Given the average speeds and capacity issues in NYCTA, I don't think it's prudent to add extensions to lines that are overcapacity. The numerous Queens Railway extensions into Southeastern Queens would reduce commutes somewhat, but would aggrivate the capacity issues further westward on the line. A new trunk would be needed to free up room for other passengers and to redistribute passenger loading.

Not to mention $107 million per mile on pre-existing ROW, and you aren't going any further than Bayonne. Light rail's supposed to be cheap. (Side-by-side commuter/light rail wouldn't bother me, if all things were even, frankly.)

I'm almost tempted to say that using arguments of cost per mile is fruitless and dangerous because it doesn't lend justice to proper accounting. Costs are lumped together and do not take into account differences in costs of construction at various points along the line (e.g. overpasses/elevated segments versus street running versus running thru swamps). In the case of HBLR and RiverLINE, the DBOM contracts that were set up muddle the process even further, and IIRC, I don't think the breakdown costs of the project were put into the public spectrum.

BTW, if you're bored, we could always extend HBLR into a tunnel under Newark Bay to connect with the semi-aborted Union County Light Rail. Then have the Bayonne Bridge extension to Staten Island. Two seat ride from Staten Island to Elizabeth by train. :)

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