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Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Jan 9 16:12:33 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Charles G on Wed Jan 9 15:49:52 2008. It has to do with a connection with a train from Babylon which arrives 3 minutes after the Far Rock train. |
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Posted by Charles G on Wed Jan 9 16:12:37 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Railman718 on Wed Jan 9 15:45:18 2008. The thing I just don't get is the rationale behind which stations have the overpasses and which stations don't.If you go two stations down the line to Inwood, you'll see something that makes you wonder about how the LIRR thinks. Inwood has two island platforms with a road crossing at the "east" (south) end of the station, but no road or pedestrian crossing at the "west" (north) end of the station. There are roads on each side of the tracks, however, that dead end at the "west" (north) end of the station. People who walk to the station along Pearsall Place must walk the length of the platform to the south end of the station to cross the tracks and catch a westbound train. People arriving on eastbound trains who want to use the Lord Avenue exit, must first cross the tracks at the southern end of the station and then walk the entire length of the westbound platform to access Lord Avenue. Clearly, these people would be better served if their were a crossing at the northern end of the station -- but there isn't. Or maybe there is. Just north of the platform ends, there are large holes in the fencing along the tracks. There is also about a 30 foot long gap in the third rail on each track. As I see it, the LIRR is encouraging their customers to cross the tracks "illegally" in that spot. I have never seen a large third rail gap like that one anywhere else in the system (obviously they have gaps at crossings and switches but neither is present here). |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jan 9 16:13:46 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 9 16:08:31 2008. Agreed!By the way, if you call ahead, some diners will prepare food for you for pickup. And they have breakfast foods available throughout the day. |
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Posted by Charles G on Wed Jan 9 16:15:51 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Jan 9 16:12:33 2008. Right. Normally, the Far Rock train would just operate 3 minutes later from Far Rock to Jamaica to make the usual 2 minute dwell -- but the Far Rock needs to get in front of a Long Beach to Penn train at Valley Stream. It then goes express from Valley Stream to Jamaica, so it pulls in 3 minutes before the connecting train from Babylon. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jan 9 16:16:02 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Charles G on Wed Jan 9 16:12:37 2008. Is the gap there longer than one married pair of railcars? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jan 9 16:17:11 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Charles G on Wed Jan 9 15:49:52 2008. Noted. But it will get the train in and out faster aside from the dwell time. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 9 16:18:22 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Charles G on Wed Jan 9 15:39:07 2008. The solution is either to adjust the schedule or to build an overpass. Adjusting the schedule is easier said than done. Moving either train by a minute or two just recreates the problem one station up or down the line.Exactly. Everyone obviously knows this happens everyday, yet they still come late to the station. Then that's their fault. They know what the schedule is, if every morbing this situation happens, then obviously you have to come 5 minutes early. So I have no sympathy here on this. The railroad can't just shuffle the schedule around either. As mentioned, it just causes a problem down at the next station, or more so, it's slot in Penn Station is effected which begins to effect other lines, that have to be switched, and then the problem just happens at some other station on some other line somewhere. Simple. Leave 5 minutes earlier. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 9 16:19:28 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Jan 9 16:12:33 2008. Any change on any line which effects Jamaica effects every line. This is not as simple as just saying "reschedule the train 5 minutes earlier or later". It's not that simple. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jan 9 16:20:20 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Charles G on Wed Jan 9 15:47:55 2008. Agreed that an overpass is a good idea. Asking local elected officials in that town (plus sate assemblyperson and state senator)is a good move. Stations along the Port Wash branch were rebuilt this way, via state pork/roast beef dispensed by Frank Padavan and Marc Weprin. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Jan 9 16:20:54 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Charles G on Wed Jan 9 16:15:51 2008. Is there anything that prevents the train from being routed via St. Albans? Is it shorter in time/distance to route the train via Locust Manor? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 9 16:24:00 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Jan 9 16:20:54 2008. Most of the Babylon Branch trains use the St Albans route, and that line has very little room for any additions, it's schedule runs like a Swiss Watch.. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 9 16:26:33 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jan 9 15:41:25 2008. I hate to say it, but I have to completely agree with Ron on this one. Changing Cedarhurst just messes up some station somewhere else. You can't just change a train when the trains are timed around the whole system to not only meet at Jamaica for the Jamaica West end terminal transfers, but also to line up for their Penn Station slots which are at capacity. Most of the LIRR runs along a "domino scenario". Changing one thing puts a domino effect all over the system. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 9 16:27:45 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jan 9 15:35:26 2008. The Gibson overpass can't possibly date to that time can it? |
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Posted by Charles G on Wed Jan 9 16:33:22 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 9 16:27:45 2008. There has been an overpass there since I was a kid in the 70's -- but I highly doubt that it is an original. |
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Posted by Charles G on Wed Jan 9 16:35:57 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Jan 9 16:20:54 2008. I would think that it would then have to get in front of the train from Babylon that it is connecting with at Jamaica. Either way, one of them is going to have to wait for the other at Jamaica. |
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Posted by Charles G on Wed Jan 9 16:36:46 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jan 9 16:16:02 2008. No. It's about 30 feet long. Maybe 40. A married pair of LIRR cars would be 170 feet long. |
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Posted by Charles G on Wed Jan 9 16:38:52 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 9 16:18:22 2008. Not everyone takes the train every day. And not everyone who takes the train every day takes the same train every day.I think this is particularly true for late rush hour trains like the 9:03. Many people on that train probably take an earlier train most days but are on the 9:03 because they had specific business at home that morning. As such, they won't know they have to arrive at 9:00 to catch the 9:03. |
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Posted by Charles G on Wed Jan 9 16:42:16 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 9 16:26:33 2008. I hate to say it, but I have to completely agree with Ron on this oneI understand how you feel. If it makes you feel any better, you can say that you're agreeing with me. Ron and I made the same observation, except I made mine in post 550524 at 3:39:07 and Ron made his in post 550526 at 3:41:25. Obviously, I am exactly 2 minutes and 18 seconds quicker on the uptake than Ron is... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 9 16:42:39 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Charles G on Wed Jan 9 16:38:52 2008. I don't know about most people, but if I have to catch a 9:03 train, regardless of whether I do it every day or not, I am not cutting my arrival time so close as to only arrive at 9:00. That's just bad in general. That's way to close to cut it. If you plan to only arrive at the station at 9:00 when the train is set to leave at 9:03. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jan 9 16:45:08 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Charles G on Wed Jan 9 16:42:16 2008. Oly counts if you do something about it. Gona sign Mitch's letter to the assemblyperson about the overpass? |
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Posted by straphanger9 on Wed Jan 9 16:45:20 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Railman718 on Wed Jan 9 15:45:18 2008. yep seems like platform widening is the issue du jour for them, since that is what the media is pushing...widening those gaps because some people have difficulty mindi...er, watching, them... |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jan 9 16:45:44 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jan 9 16:45:08 2008. My bad "Are you gonna" which should read "Are you going to" |
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Posted by xtimx on Wed Jan 9 16:54:38 2008, in response to How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jan 9 11:24:50 2008. since everyone that wants the 9:03 can't get there a second before 9:03 because they slept late or couldn't find their shoes or doesn't know what a clock is, etc and there are presumably no other trains that day lets hold the train in the station all day until everyone who needs that train can get on. that way noone has to accept any personal responsibility!!! |
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Posted by straphanger9 on Wed Jan 9 16:54:48 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by straphanger9 on Wed Jan 9 16:45:20 2008. SHRINKing those gaps, not widening them. caught sleeping at the keyboard... |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jan 9 16:56:08 2008, in response to i have a simple solution, posted by xtimx on Wed Jan 9 16:54:38 2008. LOL! I love it! |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jan 9 17:15:34 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jan 9 14:07:32 2008. Not too bad to meI can hear the CSX's where I'm at for trains well over a mile away. Or the two daily. I kinda see what you mean with the crossing though. |
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Posted by Charles G on Wed Jan 9 17:16:00 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jan 9 16:45:44 2008. I realize that you still have some Queens thug left in you Ron and that occasionally a "gonna" slips out where a "going to" is more appropriate. It's OK and there's no need to apologize.To answer your original question, though, I have no intention of either writing or signing a letter advocating construction of an overpass at Cedarhurst station. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jan 9 17:18:12 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Charles G on Wed Jan 9 17:16:00 2008. LOL! OK, just had to get that straight. |
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Posted by MJF on Wed Jan 9 17:32:50 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 9 16:42:39 2008. Thta sounds like my line of thinking. I use the Bayside station when I go to Manhattan on weekends. On Sundays when the ticket office is closed there will be a LONG line to use the 2 ticket vending machines, thanks to the popularity of the CityTicket. If a train is scheduled to arrive at Bayside at 12:57, arriving at the station at 12:47 may not leave sufficient time to purchase a ticket. I make sure I arrive at the station at least 15-20 minutes before the train is scheduled to arrive (thank goodness PW has 2 trains per hour)and sometimes that is cutting it too close.The railroad would probably be better served to place a 3rd TVM at Bayside. |
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Posted by MJF on Wed Jan 9 17:34:12 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 9 16:26:33 2008. I always hate to agree with Ron. But he's right in this case. :-( |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jan 9 17:59:44 2008, in response to How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jan 9 11:24:50 2008. Assuming that both trains are at the station so you know it's safe to cross as there can be no blind track, did you ever think of politely asking the cop if you can cross? Cops are human and he might just say OK. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jan 9 18:08:56 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jan 9 17:59:44 2008. My friend tried. Apparently they are under strict orders not to let anyone pass. Lawsuits, you know. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jan 9 18:22:37 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Charles G on Wed Jan 9 13:36:22 2008. I don't mean to get too off-topic but I think it's kinda harsh to say Roslyn is underutilized. Anyways, maybe the solution is to eliminate one of the crossings. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jan 9 18:24:07 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 9 14:04:39 2008. Cedarhust is just upset because they suck and get no Penn Station service although little do they realize that not that many people from Flatbush-ENY want to go there neither. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Jan 9 18:26:01 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jan 9 18:24:07 2008. Cedarhust is just upset because they suck and get no Penn Station service although little do they realize that not that many people from Flatbush-ENY want to go there neither.On man thats just cold.... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Jan 9 18:26:42 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Railman718 on Wed Jan 9 18:26:01 2008. Oh* man thats just cold.... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 9 18:27:59 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by MJF on Wed Jan 9 17:32:50 2008. Well, on that subject of TM machines, they REALLY need to expand the amount they have at many stations. Especially if they charge $5 if you don't have one. On two seperate occasions, I have almost missed a train at Deer Park station and Ronkonkoma. Both times, I was at least 15 minutes before the train left, and in the case of Deer Park, they only have one machine, and we had about three older people that took forever to buy their tickets. It takes too long. If they are going to charge you for not having a ticket, they really need more machines.At Ronkonkoma, they also dont have nearly enough machines considering the volume of people using that station. They only have one or two ticket agents, and only a couple machines there, and also, espeically on weekends when you have more non-regular riders (meaning people without passes), they don't have enough machines to handle the lines. You need perhaps 15-20 minutes minimum at a station like Ronkonkoma. |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Jan 9 18:32:07 2008, in response to i have a simple solution, posted by xtimx on Wed Jan 9 16:54:38 2008. works for me! |
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Posted by Charles G on Wed Jan 9 18:48:59 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 9 18:27:59 2008. Well, then obviously you should get there 20-25 minutes before your train. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jan 9 18:50:01 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Railman718 on Wed Jan 9 18:26:42 2008. Perhaps, but it's true (the Flatbush-ENY part anyways, I don't know why the LIRR shoves it down our throats). |
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Posted by MJF on Wed Jan 9 19:24:07 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Charles G on Wed Jan 9 18:48:59 2008. Of course. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Wed Jan 9 19:37:58 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by MJF on Wed Jan 9 17:32:50 2008. As the second busiest station on the Port Washington Branch, Bayside probably merits the third machine. But to my recollection, I think that Bayside does have 3 machines, just that one of them doesn't handle cash. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 9 20:10:40 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Charles G on Wed Jan 9 18:48:59 2008. I do, I didn't say you needed 20-25 minutes to wait on line, but you do need about 10-15. And you shouldn't be cutting it closer than that anyway at a station like Ronkonkoma where you have to park at least a mile away from the platforms anyway. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 9 20:14:01 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jan 9 18:50:01 2008. Flatbush/ENY are on the Flatbush line. Where else do you expect it to go but Flatbush? And if you mean "Cedarhurst" or the rest of the Far Rockaway Branch, the line is not meant for people traveling between "Cedarhurst" and "East New York", it's designed for cross the platform transfers at Jamaica, just like every other line. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Jan 9 20:17:48 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 9 20:10:40 2008. At least a mile??? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jan 9 20:23:55 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 9 20:14:01 2008. Flatbush/ENY are on the Flatbush line. Where else do you expect it to go but Flatbush?Nowhere, when did I state that I thought it would go anywhere else? And if you mean "Cedarhurst" or the rest of the Far Rockaway Branch, the line is not meant for people traveling between "Cedarhurst" and "East New York", it's designed for cross the platform transfers at Jamaica, just like every other line. ...And direct service to Cedarhurst to a lesser extent although I think it's clear that that's not a popular destination for Flatbush-ENY riders. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jan 9 20:30:39 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jan 9 20:23:55 2008. Flatbush-ENY riders.And by that, I mean Flatbush Avenue, Nostrand Avenue, and East New York > Points East of Jamaica riders. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Wed Jan 9 20:36:38 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jan 9 20:30:39 2008. Could be worse - they could send Far Rockaway trains to HPA. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 9 21:21:58 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by BMTLines on Wed Jan 9 14:30:29 2008. Which is a shame. |
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Posted by MJF on Wed Jan 9 21:40:50 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by trainsarefun on Wed Jan 9 19:37:58 2008. You are correct. I should have said Bayside needs 3 cash handling machines and the credit card only machine. |
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