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Posted by William A. Padron on Wed Oct 31 11:10:24 2007, in response to Re: Farewell To The R-10: October 29, 1989, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Oct 31 08:23:14 2007. If that R-10 had "HH" on the front roll sign at the end, it meant the train was properly operating in midday Rockaway Park shuttle service on that day. I myself have a slide taken of a northbound "C" train circa 1987-88 at 167th Street on the Concourse Line, and the graffitied R-10 car at the south end had its front route sign unchanged but at "HH".-William A. Padron ["Fulton St. Local"] |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Wed Oct 31 11:29:41 2007, in response to Re: Farewell To The R-10: October 29, 1989, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Oct 31 08:23:14 2007. My little trademark in motors was to center the end sign so that the CC had the 8th Avenue from the above route over it instead of below it. I never used single Cs unless the sign was white. Last put in I made was a train of greens, N/M 3107 and S/M 3016. I believe this trainset was the one that took the wrong lineup last weeks of August 89 and was one of two running On August 30, those two trains were running back out of RPK in the PM rush. Bt the end of the year it was all deadbirds. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Oct 31 11:36:55 2007, in response to Re: Farewell To The R-10: October 29, 1989, posted by BLE-NIMX on Wed Oct 31 11:29:41 2007. Sometimes the destination signs would be set so that the order was reversed. In other words, on the R-1/9s and R-10s, you had the branch name first, then the terminus (Wash. Hts - 207th St., Concourse - 205th St, Jamaica - 179th St., etc.) I've seen photos of prewar D trains whose front sign read, "205th St. - Concourse." On the R-32s, the branch and terminus were reversed not only on the front destination curtains, but the side ones as well. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Oct 31 11:43:23 2007, in response to Re: Farewell To The R-10: October 29, 1989, posted by Lord Vader on Wed Oct 31 08:29:59 2007. It was an even better treat when they ruled the A. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Oct 31 11:44:27 2007, in response to Re: Farewell To The R-10: October 29, 1989, posted by Mr. D - Type on Wed Oct 31 08:58:13 2007. Yes, the Triplexes were one of a kind. Maybe someday I'll even get to ride on the museum cars. Such a shame they were pulled prematurely. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Wed Oct 31 11:54:27 2007, in response to Re: Farewell To The R-10: October 29, 1989, posted by BLE-NIMX on Wed Oct 31 11:29:41 2007. Yeah, my last regular service ride on the R-10's was on Friday, September 1, 1989 during the PM rush hour, and I boarded one of the two eight-car consists assigned that day at 145th Street lower level. That train was supposed to go to Euclid Avenue, but it instead took the wrong lineup, and went into Chambers St-WTC on the same tracks as the "E".The R-10's, when arrived at Chambers St-WTC, were then taken out of service briefly. The train was placed back in regular service as a special put-in going to Bedford Park Boulevard, which I was able ride back to 145th Street lower level. Meanwhile, I spotted the other R-10 train going southbound at Canal Street, and did correctly took the track lineup in crossing over the switch there going to Brooklyn. -William A. Padron ["Chambers St-WTC"] |
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Posted by BEDT26 on Wed Oct 31 12:48:26 2007, in response to Re: Farewell To The R-10: October 29, 1989, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Oct 30 20:35:48 2007. I agree with you Steve, I like the green R-10's in fact I one car painted green, but still trying to decide whether to paint the other 7 cars in green or MTA silver & blue stripe witch is more the era I am modeling. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Wed Oct 31 12:58:26 2007, in response to Re: Farewell To The R-10: October 29, 1989, posted by William A. Padron on Wed Oct 31 11:54:27 2007. So those were in fact the last two trains. On August 30th, I videotaped the last two running back to back maybe around Southbound around 230PM , and both trains made northbound trips from RPK to 145. What time did the train take the wrong lineup? |
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Posted by BEDT26 on Wed Oct 31 13:01:34 2007, in response to Farewell To The R-10: October 29, 1989, posted by William A. Padron on Mon Oct 29 10:28:30 2007. I remember back in 1982 when I worked at 370 Jay st in the TA printing shop, going home I would board the R-10's on the CC and as soon as the M/M released the brakes the train would roll back due to the tracks not being on flat surface, that was so kool. :) |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Wed Oct 31 13:14:11 2007, in response to Re: Farewell To The R-10: October 29, 1989, posted by BLE-NIMX on Wed Oct 31 12:58:26 2007. The train I rode that Friday, September 1, 1989 that took the wrong line up headed into Chambers Street-WTC during the 4:00pm-5:00pm hour on that day. After a brief layover, I recall reboarding the train going back to Bedford Park Boulevard probably around 5:05pm.I had documented this particular wrong lineup move that I encountered in a past early 1990 New York Division ERA Bulletin, as well as the car numbers of the two R-10 trains each day used during the PM rush hour on that week of August 28-September 1, 1989. I can tell you I heard the motorman, when he realized he took the wrong switch at Canal Street, actually crused himself out but was hardly audible to anyone else in the car. -William A. Padron ["Canal Street\Holland Tunnel"] |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Wed Oct 31 14:35:43 2007, in response to Re: Farewell To The R-10: October 29, 1989, posted by Lord Vader on Wed Oct 31 08:29:59 2007. >>I remember being able to tell when an Arten was approaching because I was able to hear and feel the vibrations when the train was one local station away(Clint-Wash or Nostrand approaching Franklin).<<Same thing also when the R-10's were on the "A" during its heyday, particularly when I was standing on the southbound platform at 190th Street, that I could heard them and their original 3YC air compressor's sound coming all the way from 181st Street station while they were dwelling (unloading passengers) there. They were exciting to *listen* to (yeah, they were a *good* noisy), as well as riding on them. -William A. Padron ["190-Overlook Ter."/"181st St."] |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Wed Oct 31 14:40:04 2007, in response to Re: Farewell To The R-10: October 29, 1989, posted by irt1958 on Tue Oct 30 21:45:02 2007. Yeah...and I really loved hearing that original 3YC air compressiors coming off the R-10's, as I might say so myself. My biggest thrills by listening those sounds would be going at full blast, when I was able to witness and hear them with both tracks each filled with an R-10 "A" train waiting at 207th Street station.-William A. Padron ["207"] |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Oct 31 14:48:05 2007, in response to Re: Farewell To The R-10: October 29, 1989, posted by William A. Padron on Wed Oct 31 11:10:24 2007. Some R10 after GOH had their original signs, some got new signs with coloured bullets. #2974 was one of these lucky ones. My last trip on her, late in 1988, saw her signed as "H", and she led her brood of Greenbottles over the flats at full speed. She was quite elderly and behaved that way, shaking and rattling as if she was going to fall apart. But she performed like a real "THUNDERBIRD" out there, that's for sure.wayne |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Wed Oct 31 15:05:29 2007, in response to Re: Farewell To The R-10: October 29, 1989, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Oct 31 14:48:05 2007. Yeah, #2974 really lasted right to a fitting and glorious end, along with the seven other cars on the fantrip. I personally made sure I took plenty of slides of that particular car itself in regular service during its last year of service (1989) and on the fantrip.Alas, #2974, which I originally rode in 1987 with Elsie Diaz Walters, my Pace University colleague, had eventually found its way after the fantrip onto the storage tracks at Coney Island Yard. It had held out as much as possible until about the end of June 1990, after which it was taken off NYCTA property to be sent for scrapping. To remember when #2974 was on the road... R-10 #2974, Van Siclen Avenue-IND Fulton St. Line. -William A. Padron ["(H) Rockaway Shuttle"] |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Oct 31 15:50:47 2007, in response to Re: Farewell To The R-10: October 29, 1989, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Oct 31 14:48:05 2007. The last R-10 train I rode on was a C from Bedford Park. The south motor was signed as a Heaving Harry (it still had an original route curtain) before the motorman changed it. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Oct 31 15:51:40 2007, in response to Re: Farewell To The R-10: October 29, 1989, posted by irt1958 on Tue Oct 30 21:45:02 2007. That's a good analogy.:) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Oct 31 15:58:24 2007, in response to Re: Farewell To The R-10: October 29, 1989, posted by William A. Padron on Wed Oct 31 14:35:43 2007. I could tell when an R-10 A train was approaching 42nd St. by the rumble and absence of "tch-sssss" magnet valve sounds (a trademark on the R-1/9s and, for that matter, the Triplexes). There was an expansion joint in the s/b express track that the first few cars passed over that I could hear from the mezzanine. If I heard that, it was, "Oh no, that's an A. We'll never make it!" |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Oct 31 15:59:52 2007, in response to Re: Farewell To The R-10: October 29, 1989, posted by William A. Padron on Wed Oct 31 13:14:11 2007. I'll bet he wasn't saying oops either.:) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Oct 31 16:01:55 2007, in response to Re: Farewell To The R-10: October 29, 1989, posted by BEDT26 on Wed Oct 31 12:48:26 2007. I liked the racing stripe scheme the best. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Wed Oct 31 16:09:37 2007, in response to Re: Farewell To The R-10: October 29, 1989, posted by William A. Padron on Wed Oct 31 14:35:43 2007. Do the surviving R10s still retain their 3YC air compressors? |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Wed Oct 31 23:29:12 2007, in response to Re: Farewell To The R-10: October 29, 1989, posted by William A. Padron on Wed Oct 31 07:52:08 2007. The fastest part of the fantrip was the Mahnattan bound stint from Broadway Myrtle to Marcy over the Jamaica El, followed by movement from Marcy to Myrtle, and Queens Blvd. The M/I assigned, a more knowledgable guy who evetually made Supt took over southbound from 63rd St and ran pretty good through the timers and switches at 36 Street to Q.P. I think I got my money's worth on that trip over the R17 trip. I saw the motorman recently, I think he is a TSS now.RIP Billy B. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Thu Nov 1 08:07:26 2007, in response to Re: Farewell To The R-10: October 29, 1989, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Wed Oct 31 16:09:37 2007. Let's see...#3184 last had the NYAB rotary screw compressor (not the 3YC type though it originally had), when it lasted operated in regular service until it retired in 1989, and that was because it was a GOH'd car. There was a rumor that #3184 now has an air compressor taken off from an R-27/30, but I cannot confirm that story if it true.#3189 is supposed to still have the 3YC air compressor, but it may been inactive for so many years ago. It was the R.C.I. Yard-School Car assigned and stationed at Pitkin Yard beginning in the mid-1980's, and I am sure it will take a much effort and extreme cost in getting #3189 up and running again. -William A. Padron ["Track 8"] |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Nov 1 08:20:09 2007, in response to Re: Farewell To The R-10: October 29, 1989, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Nov 1 08:07:26 2007. 3184 did have the larger volume R27 3YC at least back in 2000. IIRC, CIY Air Brake Shop scavenged all the Rotary screw NYABS for use on the R68s, then ended up scrapping them for Wabco D4s. I don't know if changing the drive pulleys to a smaller one would make a difference, getting any parts for them today would be expensive. 3184 had the larger drive pulley, thats how I noticed it. If all the motors had the same RPM, anything is possible. There was one car on the earlier fan trip that had the original compressor still on it. Does the R16 going for scrap have any compressor parts on it? |
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Posted by Mr. D - Type on Thu Nov 1 08:28:01 2007, in response to Re: Farewell To The R-10: October 29, 1989, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Nov 1 08:07:26 2007. If they were able to get 401 up & running again after sitting in Jamaica yard for as long as it did as their school car then 3189 can be brought back to life again. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Thu Nov 1 08:45:45 2007, in response to Re: Farewell To The R-10: October 29, 1989, posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Nov 1 08:20:09 2007. Would that be R-16 #6452??? I did see that car some time ago at Coney Island Yard going for scrap, but I could not tell if it had the air compressor on it still, as I viewed it while from a passing automobile on the Belt Parkway.I do remember riding many, many years ago R-10 #3206 in regular "A" line service, and I recall that car having a very high-pitched air compressor that sounded like an R-16!!! But...if they could revive R-R-4 #401 from the *dead*, then there should be no problem reviving R-10's #3184 and #3189. -William A. Padron ["Avenue X"] |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Thu Nov 1 08:54:17 2007, in response to Re: Farewell To The R-10: October 29, 1989, posted by Mr. D - Type on Thu Nov 1 08:28:01 2007. Yeah, and that was a big surprise to me that an inactive R-4, which I never originally considered as a museum car in the first place, would be up and running again in that manner. #401 runs fine and okay, as I rode it on the Transit Museum's September 8, 2007 excursion, but based upon a discussion with a railfan colleague friend, that car did have some flat wheels that should been looked and tuned again.-William A. Padron ["Special"] |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Nov 1 12:23:58 2007, in response to Re: Farewell To The R-10: October 29, 1989, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Nov 1 08:54:17 2007. 401 also has one pair of door leaves that were transplanted from R-1 175. The quickest way to identify them is to look for the set at one of the car ends with no indents. The doors on the R-1s didn't have indents while the doors on the R-4s and up had them. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Nov 1 12:41:53 2007, in response to Re: Farewell To The R-10: October 29, 1989, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Nov 1 08:45:45 2007. IMHO they should repaint one of the surviving R-10s (the one that served as a schoolcar) in the racing stripe scheme. |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Thu Nov 1 14:25:53 2007, in response to Re: Farewell To The R-10: October 29, 1989, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Oct 29 21:45:40 2007. I could never quite figure out why that particular car was seemingly always darkUh, because the interior lights were off? :) --Mark |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Nov 1 15:05:17 2007, in response to Re: Farewell To The R-10: October 29, 1989, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Oct 29 21:45:40 2007. Maybe the Stooges couldn't find the problem.Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Oct 29 08:56:31 2009, in response to Re: Farewell To The R-10: October 29, 1989, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Oct 29 12:08:05 2007. It's too bad that trip didn't include a sprint up CPW (signed as an A, of course) with everybody still aboard.I was on that trip and the highlight to me was the express run on the middle Broadway Exp track to Manhattan. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Thu Oct 29 09:06:09 2009, in response to Re: Farewell To The R-10: October 29, 1989, posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Oct 29 08:56:31 2009. Yeah, that was a real fast sprint on that part of the fantrip, as the train was attempting an almost non-stop run from the Archer Avenue lower level to the Archer Avenue upper level via the Broadway-Brooklyn, 6th Avenue and Queens Boulevard routes. However, someone wanted to be dropped off at 34th Street-6th Avenue en route, so the train just stopped there but briefly.-William A. Padron ["Sixth Av.-34th St."] |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 29 12:46:01 2009, in response to Farewell To The R-10: October 29, 1989, posted by William A. Padron on Mon Oct 29 10:28:30 2007. Interesting, I was out that day to check out the new 63rd St. line, but had no idea this fantrip was run. What time did you guys run through 63rd? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 29 12:47:54 2009, in response to Re: Farewell To The R-10: October 29, 1989, posted by WayneJay on Mon Oct 29 12:31:38 2007. They really went downhill after the C was expanded to an all day service. It was just too much to ask of the R10's, even the green ones, to run that much. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Oct 29 13:23:56 2009, in response to Re: Farewell To The R-10: October 29, 1989, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 29 12:47:54 2009. They handled all day service just fine as I did run them out of 145 to the end of life. The R10s seemed a little more reliable after the first of the bad apples were retired. The cars left for the last 5 or 6 trains were essentially all live motors as the fantrip proved. I had a consist in early 1989 with 2951 where there was one or two cars with spotted wheels as opposed to the entire train having flats. I'm not sure if that was due to a bulletin issued by RTO on a two second delay between going to coast and brake initiation for those cars, or certain crews were getting them but in the end it wasn't they were going downhill, they were just going out. |
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Posted by Howard Fein on Thu Oct 29 13:57:40 2009, in response to Farewell To The R-10: October 29, 1989, posted by William A. Padron on Mon Oct 29 10:28:30 2007. Interesting that as late as 1989, Avenue P still had what looked like original 1917 station signs- the huge white characters on dark blue background. Maybe other Culver el side platform stations still had them as well. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Thu Oct 29 14:00:22 2009, in response to Re: Farewell To The R-10: October 29, 1989, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 29 12:46:01 2009. The train came into the 63rd Street Line sometime around the 7:00pm EST hour. After having a photo stop at 5th Avenue-53rd Street, it then went down 6th Avenue towards 34th Street, then did a reverse track move going from tracks B1 via B3 into B4. It proceeded towards 47th-50th Streets on track B4, then went into 57th Street and finally onto 21st Street-Queensbridge (with the photo stop at Roosevelt Island naturally).-William A. Padron ["Special"] |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Thu Oct 29 14:26:51 2009, in response to Re: Farewell To The R-10: October 29, 1989, posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Oct 29 13:23:56 2009. In possible related terms to the spotted wheels/flats situation with the green R-10's, there was a brief two-month period (December 1988-February 1989) when they operated on weekend "C" service between 145th Street and Chambers Street-WTC. It was great riding them back and forth at that time, since I still lived in Washington Heights in upper Manhattan, and with me having easy access being inside the cars as a passenger.However, as I understood one story told to me from one railfan colleague, they were taken off the weekend schedule because supposedly some irate citizen complained to NYC Transit that the cars were loudly shaking and making vibrations that could be felt within the Central Park West apartment he/she was living in. That claim included of some expensive china dishes being shook and falling off the walls of the apartment that resident was living in. But, there was this one eight-car R-10 "C" train I recall seeing during that summer 1989 weekend when they were some problems with the GOH R-38's, when they were sidelined to be inspected at 207th Street Shop. The lead north motor car on that consist, as I recall correctly, was #3186, which I had photographed back in June-July 1989 outdoors on the "C" line. -William A. Padron ["145 Street, Manhattan"] |
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Posted by VictorM on Thu Oct 29 22:17:13 2009, in response to Re: Farewell To The R-10: October 29, 1989, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Oct 29 14:00:22 2009. I was lucky enought to see the R-10 special when I was checking out the brand new Roosevelt Island station that day. It seems hard to believe 20 years have passed since then. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Fri Oct 30 00:12:17 2009, in response to Re: Farewell To The R-10: October 29, 1989, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Oct 29 14:26:51 2009. I was working the C during that time through the steampipe explosions resulting in those 10 car C expresses and don't remember them being pulled for that logic since they were also running those WH 30s and some of the POS GE 27s. IIRC the GEs 30s were not there yet so everything then sounded like the Grand Street Shuttle if you can hear me now |
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