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Posted by jrr4 on Tue Feb 1 16:58:49 2005 From MTA website:Effective Wednesday, February 2, 2005 Most C service restored More A trains running Rockaway Park A Express remains suspended V running on its normal route from Forest Hills to 2 Av What's happening now About 70% of A and C service will return effective 5 a.m. on Wednesday, February 2, 2005. Since full rush hour service is still a few months away, customers should continue to expect delays and crowding. Non-rush hour service will be normal; however, be aware that the A/C service may be diverted weeknights and weekends as the work to restore all service continues. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Feb 1 17:02:02 2005, in response to C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by jrr4 on Tue Feb 1 16:58:49 2005. :O |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Feb 1 17:02:15 2005, in response to C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by jrr4 on Tue Feb 1 16:58:49 2005. So we went from 3-5 years to 6-9 months to a few days.I don't know whether to smack Larry Reuter upside the head or offer him hearty congrats on a job well done. |
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Posted by vengence on Tue Feb 1 17:04:36 2005, in response to C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by jrr4 on Tue Feb 1 16:58:49 2005. Damn man!I was REALLY enjoying having the V in Brooklyn.... Send the C to second ave....and leep the V on Fulton st! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Feb 1 17:06:25 2005, in response to C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by jrr4 on Tue Feb 1 16:58:49 2005. http://www.mta.info/nyct/service/acv_update.htm |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 1 17:22:01 2005, in response to C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by jrr4 on Tue Feb 1 16:58:49 2005. Cool. I went thru the area thuis morning and all the signals, at least on the northbound track, were lit. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 1 17:23:05 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Feb 1 17:02:15 2005. Smack Reuter. Congratulate the workers who performed this minor miracle. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 1 17:24:50 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Feb 1 17:06:25 2005. Thank God. I went thru Jay St. 3 times today. The first, on the A, was smooth. The other two (F & V) were ordeals. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Feb 1 17:30:01 2005, in response to C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by jrr4 on Tue Feb 1 16:58:49 2005. Great news. Can someone explain how this was accomplished so quickly? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 1 17:32:29 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by italianstallion on Tue Feb 1 17:30:01 2005. Political pressure and dedicated TA workers. |
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Posted by H.S.Relay on Tue Feb 1 18:27:28 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 1 17:23:05 2005. You're welcome. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Tue Feb 1 18:31:13 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 1 17:23:05 2005. Smack him again if he changes the subject announcing a small surplus in the budget. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Feb 1 18:39:57 2005, in response to C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by jrr4 on Tue Feb 1 16:58:49 2005. Rats! I only got one photo.Since C service will still not be at normal headways, will the extra B service still be running? |
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Posted by H.S.Relay on Tue Feb 1 18:44:40 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by italianstallion on Tue Feb 1 17:30:01 2005. The original IND signal designs were "Line Case" which means the signal equipment is distributed along the right-of-way in cases every few hundred feet next to a signal location. All circuits run case to case.Interlocking controls begin and end in the line cases, but all of the "brains" are in the interlocker in the tower and the adjacent relay room, like a mainframe computer with I/O. So losing the tower relay room disables all of the signals it controls, but if you don't need to USE the interlocking, you can bypass it, and just run case to case in the field, which is what was done. The switches are permanently secured in the straight rail position, and the formerly interlocked signals now work as automatics. That's why Bergen took longer - the switches needed to be used to route the F and G. It's easy in principle, but as they say, the devil is in the details. |
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Posted by South Ferry on Tue Feb 1 19:08:32 2005, in response to C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by jrr4 on Tue Feb 1 16:58:49 2005. Who let the 3 TO 5 YEARS out?????????? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 1 19:08:42 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by H.S.Relay on Tue Feb 1 18:44:40 2005. So what's preventing them from running 100% service right now? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 1 19:12:13 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Feb 1 18:39:57 2005. I'd reduce the C to 6 TPH and run 10-car consists until full service can be restored. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 1 19:13:48 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by daDouce Man on Tue Feb 1 18:31:13 2005. That only happens when Pataki is running for re-election. 2006 at the earliest. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 1 19:15:32 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by H.S.Relay on Tue Feb 1 18:27:28 2005. It's well deserved. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Feb 1 19:22:00 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 1 19:12:13 2005. That's one way to do it, but I still hope the B extras stay, since I have no use for the C. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 1 19:29:19 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Feb 1 19:22:00 2005. Concourse local riders would concur. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Feb 1 19:38:15 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 1 19:29:19 2005. After some of the arguments I've been in here, I never thought I'd see the day when I;d agree with a Concourser! |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Tue Feb 1 19:47:10 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 1 19:12:13 2005. Sounds logical and god knows the C should be 10-cars anyway. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Tue Feb 1 19:51:40 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 1 19:13:48 2005. Then smack Pataki as well. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Feb 1 19:59:38 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by South Ferry on Tue Feb 1 19:08:32 2005. I'd rather hear the worst-case scenario first instead of the other way around. |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Tue Feb 1 20:01:29 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by daDouce Man on Tue Feb 1 19:51:40 2005. Smack him again and again till he puts the TBMs under 2nd Av and lets them to start digging! |
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Posted by Broadway Junction on Tue Feb 1 20:15:41 2005, in response to C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by jrr4 on Tue Feb 1 16:58:49 2005. ??? If the switch can't be controlled, how can they switch off the C? Will it run express to 34th or something??? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 1 20:23:49 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by Broadway Junction on Tue Feb 1 20:15:41 2005. I don't think the switch the C uses is affected by this. It was used by the A last weekend. |
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Posted by toro-papa on Tue Feb 1 21:10:16 2005, in response to C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by jrr4 on Tue Feb 1 16:58:49 2005. The service update says the A and C will run 70% of normal service in Brooklyn and normal service in Manhattan. Does this mean that some A (or C) trains will turn at WTC? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 1 21:40:18 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by toro-papa on Tue Feb 1 21:10:16 2005. No, it means fewer trains than normal will run. WTC can't turn anything but the E. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Feb 1 21:56:03 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by Broadway Junction on Tue Feb 1 20:15:41 2005. What gives you the idea that the switch can't be controlled? |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Feb 1 22:05:07 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 1 17:23:05 2005. Who says this was a minor miracle? I was confident that the work would be done in far less time than that, as was the case with the Bergen St incident. I know a lot of people think transit workers are dumb or overpaid or in some cases unnesesary, but lets remember the job they did here next time contract talks come up. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Feb 1 22:06:36 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 1 17:22:01 2005. Yep, although double aspect signals remain as single aspect signals. |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Tue Feb 1 22:08:34 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 1 21:40:18 2005. Well they could keep the V on Fulton and run 10-car C trains just run fewer of them to accomodate the E at WTC, afterall the C is needed more on CPW and is usually empty as ppl crowd onto the Fulton express A train. The V to Euclid offers ppl a new one seat route to Manhattan rather than to transfer to the F. And also that way they can run more A trains w/no C's merging from Canal to Hoyt. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Feb 1 22:09:05 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by M15 to South Ferry on Tue Feb 1 19:47:10 2005. ...god knows the C should be 10-cars anyway.What C train are you talking about? |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Feb 1 22:10:07 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 1 17:22:01 2005. I posted the same observation Saturday night. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 1 22:12:59 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Feb 1 22:10:07 2005. Well then, I guess you win ... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 1 22:14:33 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by M15 to South Ferry on Tue Feb 1 22:08:34 2005. That switchover north of Jay St. bottles up the A and F lines. I'm glad it's gone. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 1 22:15:24 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by J trainloco on Tue Feb 1 22:09:05 2005. Normally, 480' C trains are adequate. |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Tue Feb 1 22:20:37 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 1 22:15:24 2005. True, but if they cut the C short to WTC, then they can run more A trains and hell divide the A designations to A[Far Rockaway] and K [Lefferts].God knows the A needs to run more trains. I've seen at least 2 E trains b4 an A finally showed up - I feel sorry for the Lefferts bound riders as they have to wait even longer w/the majority to Far Rockaway. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Feb 1 22:22:12 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 1 22:14:33 2005. Not anymore than the switch at Canal does to the A and E lines. |
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Posted by thetzar on Tue Feb 1 22:23:18 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by H.S.Relay on Tue Feb 1 18:44:40 2005. Wait a second: aren't these the interlockings where the C switches from the local track to the express, and vice versa? If they're restoring C service, that means that the switches would have to, well, switch. Please let me know what I'm missing. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Feb 1 22:23:22 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by M15 to South Ferry on Tue Feb 1 22:20:37 2005. I feel sorry for the Lefferts bound riders as they have to wait even longer w/the majority to Far Rockaway.Why does everybody believe that? It's false. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Feb 1 22:27:27 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by thetzar on Tue Feb 1 22:23:18 2005. The switches at Canal were not affected. It was the 6 switches that connect the through tracks to the center track between Chambers and Canal. |
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Posted by thetzar on Tue Feb 1 22:29:28 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by J trainloco on Tue Feb 1 22:27:27 2005. Thanks, I got myself turned around a bit. Is that center track ever used? |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Feb 1 22:34:01 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by thetzar on Tue Feb 1 22:29:28 2005. Work Trains use it on occasion. The "E" used it to Relay when there was no C service some years back (During the overnight hours). |
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Posted by H.S.Relay on Tue Feb 1 22:36:35 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 1 19:08:42 2005. Station Time cutbacks are not restored. I guess this is a great example of just how many TPH you gain by allowing trains to close in on time. (6) |
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Posted by H.S.Relay on Tue Feb 1 22:38:34 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by thetzar on Tue Feb 1 22:23:18 2005. You're getting Chambers mixed up with Canal. 2 different plants. |
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Posted by H.S.Relay on Tue Feb 1 22:40:36 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by M15 to South Ferry on Tue Feb 1 22:20:37 2005. WTC can't possibly turn any more trains that it already does as the E terminal. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Feb 1 22:41:09 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by H.S.Relay on Tue Feb 1 22:36:35 2005. What about the N/B WD. Is it back on? |
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