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Friday 24 November 1967

Posted by E Line Fan on Sun Jun 17 18:41:55 2007

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The final Friday before the fun of Chrystie Street! IIRC, the (BB) ran 168th Street to 34th Street-Sixth Avenue, the (D) 205th Street to Coney Island Via Culver, the (T) Ditmars Boulevard to Coney Island via The West End and the (TT) Chambers Street to Coney Island that final weekday. Does anyone recall the Brighton Line and the (F)?

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Re: Friday 24 November 1967

Posted by BMTLines on Sun Jun 17 18:45:42 2007, in response to Friday 24 November 1967, posted by E Line Fan on Sun Jun 17 18:41:55 2007.

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The final Friday before the fun of Chrystie Street!

TRAGEDY of Chrystie Street is how I remember it - It's when the glorious T, QT, and QB stopped running to Astoria and we got the disgusting ^&**$^ RR instead....

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Re: Friday 24 November 1967

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Jun 17 19:56:03 2007, in response to Friday 24 November 1967, posted by E Line Fan on Sun Jun 17 18:41:55 2007.

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Based on http://members.aol.com/bdmnqr2/linehistory.html

F: 179, local to Forest Hills, express to Queens Plz, 53rd, 6th Av Lcl, ended at Bway Lafayette except one train went to Chambers (today's WTC?)

The Brighton had contained some Nassau Loop specials (definitely early 60s) but they probably stopped for the construction of the Nov. 1967 configuration. Q was Brighton Exp, 57/7 to Brighton Bch. It did not run outside of weekdays. QB was the full time route, Brighton Lcl, Bridge, Broadway Exp (maybe Broadway Lcl sometimes?) to Astoria. QT was another weekday route, Brighton Lcl, Tunnel, Broadway Lcl, to Astoria. Perhaps the QB did not run when both the Q and QT were running? Someone else would need to confirm. Would that mean that Astoria only got either the QB or QT depending on time of day?

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Re: Friday 24 November 1967

Posted by E Line Fan on Sun Jun 17 19:57:04 2007, in response to Re: Friday 24 November 1967, posted by BMTLines on Sun Jun 17 18:45:42 2007.

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So, I take it that it wasn't a happy day?

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Re: Friday 24 November 1967

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Jun 17 20:01:31 2007, in response to Re: Friday 24 November 1967, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Jun 17 19:56:03 2007.

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Adding on to my previous post, it looks like Astoria was T and QT during weekdays, and QB all other times.

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Re: Friday 24 November 1967

Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jun 17 20:05:42 2007, in response to Re: Friday 24 November 1967, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Jun 17 19:56:03 2007.

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Perhaps the QB did not run when both the Q and QT were running?

Correct.

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Re: Friday 24 November 1967

Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jun 17 20:05:54 2007, in response to Re: Friday 24 November 1967, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Jun 17 19:56:03 2007.

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Perhaps the QB did not run when both the Q and QT were running?

Correct.

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Re: Friday 24 November 1967

Posted by BMT Standard on Sun Jun 17 21:34:18 2007, in response to Re: Friday 24 November 1967, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Jun 17 19:56:03 2007.

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By the mid to late 1960s, the Brighton Banker's specials were running via tunnel to Chambers St. The only thing that was broken during construction was the ability to deadhead over the Manhattan Bridge - there were no revenue runs over the Manhattan Bridge to Chambers for several years prior to 1967. By the mid-60s, most of the mid-day layups for the Banker's specials and the TT-West End local were at East New York.

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Re: Friday 24 November 1967

Posted by randyo on Sun Jun 17 21:47:12 2007, in response to Re: Friday 24 November 1967, posted by BMT Standard on Sun Jun 17 21:34:18 2007.

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Prior to 1967, there was revenue service over the H tracks of the Manny B In the AM, the 4 Av bankers specials ran from 95 St via bridge to Chamber St where they continued through nthe tuune to 9 Av where they turned and returned N/B as West End Locals (using TT designations after the arrival of the R types). In the AMs, these specials ran express from 59 St through the Dekalb bypass and over the Htracks of the bridge. In the PM, these trains originalted as 9 Av West End lcl turn trains N/B via tunnel and S/B via the bridge local all the way to 95 St although when the service was originally operated it ran express S/B in the reverse pattern to the AM service. After the arrival of the R types, the AM trains carried the letter M as did the Brighton bankers' specials but in the PM, they carried S/Special signs. As with the Brighton specials, there were 5 intervals operated in the AM but onle 3 intervals in the PM. None of the bankers' specials laid up at ENY, only 3 West End locals. The reason for that was that with the rush hour service pattern, there was no place for the West End locals to relay at Chambers St since the 4 Av specials were coming off H2 tk and the Brighton specials returned light to CIY via tk H1.

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Re: Friday 24 November 1967

Posted by randyo on Sun Jun 17 21:54:46 2007, in response to Friday 24 November 1967, posted by E Line Fan on Sun Jun 17 18:41:55 2007.

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If I recall the service pattern that weekend, after the PM rush Wednesday, Nov. 22 1967, the Manhattan bridge tracks were closed in preparation for the upcoming service changes. The QB Brighton lcl service via bridge did not operate and was replaced by service via tunnel (QT). Sea Beach service also operated via the tunnel. Thursday Nov 23 was Thanksgiving Day and due to anticipated light riding on Friday, all Bway BMT sevice operated via the tunnel and both the bankers' specials services operated via tunnel on a supplementary schedule. Of course, the headways had to be adjusted accordingly to accomodate all services operating via the tunnel.

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Re: Friday 24 November 1967

Posted by brightonmike on Sun Jun 17 23:03:30 2007, in response to Re: Friday 24 November 1967, posted by randyo on Sun Jun 17 21:54:46 2007.

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Weekdays Q ran Brighton Beach to 57/7Ave. Local in Brooklyn 9:00AM to 3:00pm. Weekdays QT local service, Ditmars to Coney Island via tunnel. Other times QB Local via bridge. M rush hours only Coney Island Via Brighton Local to Kings Highway then express via tunnel to Chambers Street peak direction only. Additional M to 95/Forth Ave. local. Peak Direction. F 179 to Bway/Lafayette Daytimes. 179 to 34 nights. Express Continental to Queens Plaza all times, Express 179 to Continental Rush hours, Midday Express Parsons to Continental.

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Re: Friday 24 November 1967

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Jun 18 06:33:32 2007, in response to Re: Friday 24 November 1967, posted by brightonmike on Sun Jun 17 23:03:30 2007.

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So 23/6, 14/6, and Bway Lafayette had no subway service at night?

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Re: Friday 24 November 1967

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jun 18 09:26:11 2007, in response to Re: Friday 24 November 1967, posted by E Line Fan on Sun Jun 17 19:57:04 2007.

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Chaotic would be a better word. Nobody knew where any train would wind up. There were stories of motormen punching for incorrect lineups and winding up crossing the Manhattan Bridge instead of going via tunnel, that sort of thing.

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Re: Friday 24 November 1967

Posted by BMT Standard on Mon Jun 18 09:28:05 2007, in response to Re: Friday 24 November 1967, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Jun 18 06:33:32 2007.

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Prior to Christie St., the D train ran via the Sixth Ave. local tracks, stopping at 23rd and 14th. The express tracks opened at the same time as the Christie St. connection.

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Re: Friday 24 November 1967

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jun 18 09:29:28 2007, in response to Re: Friday 24 November 1967, posted by randyo on Sun Jun 17 21:54:46 2007.

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I was in the city on Friday the 24th and experienced a CPW dash for the first time, on a prewar D train. Didn't ride on the BMT at all that day even though I'd heard about the upcoming changes.

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Re: Friday 24 November 1967

Posted by zac on Mon Jun 18 13:18:25 2007, in response to Re: Friday 24 November 1967, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Jun 17 19:56:03 2007.

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The QB ran local in Manhattan at all times that it ran. The N was the express and the RR was local via tunnel. I don't know if late night service was any different.

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Re: Friday 24 November 1967

Posted by randyo on Mon Jun 18 17:40:49 2007, in response to Re: Friday 24 November 1967, posted by zac on Mon Jun 18 13:18:25 2007.

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The QB was the late evening, midnight and weekend service. When the Q Brighton Express operated, the Brighton Lcl operated via the tunnel and was called the QT. During rush hours and all day Saturday, the T Wesr End Express operated via bridge to Astoria during the week and to 57/7 on Saturdays. The TT West End Local operated at all times to Chambers St except on Saturdays when the T operated and after the PM rush, midnights and all day Sunday when it was a shuttle betwwen Stl and 36/4. At the tail end of the AM rush S/B and in the afternoons just before the PM rush N/B, some TTs terminated at 9 Av. In the AM, these were returning 4 Av bankers' specials and in the PM they would operate N/B to Broad St where they would become S/B 4 Av bankers' specials.

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Re: Friday 24 November 1967

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jun 18 17:56:31 2007, in response to Re: Friday 24 November 1967, posted by BMTLines on Sun Jun 17 18:45:42 2007.

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Was there really a difference? All you lost was one route during rush hours (T) and you lost most of the R32's when the QB ran, instead dealing with mostly R27/30's. Except for the T, everything ran the same from Canal St north.

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