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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Feb 10 21:53:40 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 10 18:45:33 2007. And just look at the stupidity that is going on today. The Belt Parkway was built in 1940. A third lane was added not too long later, Now it is almost 60 years later and automobile usage has grown significantly. The Mill Basin Bridge on the Belt Parkway is about to be rebuilt in a few short years. If Moses were still around and in power, no doubt it would be rebuilt to accommodate four or five lanes of traffic either now or in the future. But the powers that be are going to rebuild it with only three lanes, effectively insuring that the Belt Parkway will never carry more than three lanes of traffic in a section that doesn't even have service roads. Does that make any sense to build a highway in 2010 according to 1940 traffic needs? Furthermore the NYMBYists are ensuring that no bypass routes will be built such as connecting Avenue U to Seaview Avenue with a bridge, forcing overflow traffic to continue to endure a 30 minute bypass via overcrowded Flatlands Avenue.Yes, you can say a lot of bad things about Robert Moses, but look what happens when someone like him is not around. It would have been nice if he wasn't so mean and not so anti-transit, but everything isn't and never will be the way we want them to be. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Feb 10 22:02:14 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Feb 10 21:09:30 2007. That the Bridge was only three weeks away from the start of construction and that it took a U.S. President (FDR) to stop it is even more amazing. The opponents said that a bridge would have used valuable land for approach roads and destroyed the vistas from Lower Manhattan. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Feb 10 22:09:53 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Feb 10 18:45:52 2007. I'm sorry I don't agree. I think Caro was fair to Moses. There is a lot of negativity in the book and I think Caro justifies it well with plenty of backup. It's not that he is making baseless accusations. He also gives Moses a lot of credit especially in his early years. Caro is more critical about Moses' housing policies (where he has nothing good to say about Moses) than about his road building which he actually praises somewhat. I think there is one point where he asks the question are we better off that he lived, or worse for it and he answers that we are better off in spite of all the negative things he did. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 10 22:14:05 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Feb 10 18:45:52 2007. The problem with all the negative myths about MosesWhat myths? We're living with the fruits thereof. So how could they be myths? |
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Posted by MJF on Sat Feb 10 22:51:31 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Feb 10 18:37:08 2007. It's been a while since I've been out that way but I don't believe there are any more overpasses on the Meadowbrook s/of Merrick Road.I believe the prescribed route for bus and truck traffic to Jones Beach is to enter the Wantagh Pkwy. at Merrick Road. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Feb 10 22:54:20 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Feb 10 18:45:52 2007. I can't seem to find the e-mail I received right now, but I believe that some people at Columbia just completed a new book about Moses taking a new look at his accomplishments and refuting some of Caro's negatism. I'm sorry I can't remember the exact name of it. Something like: Robert Moses and the Transformation of New York. There are also accompanying exhibits at the Museum of the City of New York and the Queens Museum about Moses. I want to see them both.I think Caro adequately proves all the "negative myths" which no longer makes them myths. But I'm sure he doesn't need me to defend his book. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Feb 10 23:12:42 2007, in response to A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 9 14:16:58 2007. Just heard on WNBC TV Channel 4. Tomorrow Morning Discussion on News 4 Forum: 6:30 AM Sunday. Robert Moses: Hero or Villain. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 10 23:27:01 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by Robert From Queens on Sat Feb 10 19:31:02 2007. Why couldn't cars and mass transit co-exist? But then again, look at the prediction GM had for the city of the future - no sidewalks, just cars, cars, cars. How the mighty idiots in Detroit have fallen.Again, because that was the midset of people in the 1930's to the 1960's or so. Again, we can't transfer the ideals we have today about transit and roads, and try and place it in a different era when the thinkign was different. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 10 23:30:19 2007, in response to A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 9 14:16:58 2007. So now we have brought up the usual RM thread, and the evils and goods of Robert Moses...but he did build lots of things for the city too.But anyway....back to the original intent....the question remains: Supposing today a "revivied" Robert Moses were to surface except the "Robert Moses II" would do the same for TRANSIT/Public transportation in the city and the metro area that the real one did for Roads/Bridges/Tunnels. What new/extended lines would be feasible and would we have on the LIRR, NYCT, the Metro North system today if "Robert Moses II" were to surface and ram it through like Robert Moses did for Roads/Bridges/Tunnels? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 10 23:31:26 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Feb 10 21:31:48 2007. Yup. The Cities need healthy suburbs, and the suburbs need a healthy city to both survive. They are not in competition, but compliment eachother. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 10 23:33:42 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 10 21:38:49 2007. The Bronx was falling before the 6 lane highway went through. Yes, that didn't help matters, but other areas, such as in Brooklyn, like Bushwick, fell all on it's own without the Bushwick Expressway ever cutting through it. The Bronx would have fallen regardless of the Expressway. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 10 23:39:00 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Feb 10 21:53:40 2007. The Mill Basin Bridge on the Belt Parkway is about to be rebuilt in a few short years. If Moses were still around and in power, no doubt it would be rebuilt to accommodate four or five lanes of traffic either now or in the future. But the powers that be are going to rebuild it with only three lanes, effectively insuring that the Belt Parkway will never carry more than three lanes of traffic in a section that doesn't even have service roads.Yeah, and at least in other areas, like Los Angeles, they do rebuild their freeways to handle the 4 and 5 lanes in each direction. A three lane road is a small road out there,a and one that hasn't been upgraded. Yes, you can say a lot of bad things about Robert Moses, but look what happens when someone like him is not around. It would have been nice if he wasn't so mean and not so anti-transit, but everything isn't and never will be the way we want them to be. Yup, and again, it was the 1930's-1950's mindset of the whole country to build roads and not transit. Moses broaught the money TO NY. This federal money was in competition with other cities around the country for THEIR road projects too. As I said before, it's not like if Moses didn't get money for let's say the Whitestone Bridge and the Cross Island Parkway it would have been instead available for let's say the Second AVe Subway....no, if Moses didn't bring that money to NY for the Bridge, it would have instead went to another city for THEIR road project. Moses GOT the money into NY. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 10 23:41:18 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Feb 10 21:09:30 2007. That would be interesting to see. Tunnels are just as big marvels as bridges are, except, yes, the bridges get ALL the awe. There's nothing like looking at the Brooklyn Bridge, the Golden Gate Bridge, the Verrazano. Bridges "speak to the soul", they are awe inspiring just to look at. Even the ugly duckling Williamsburg Bridge has a hidden beauty, that you still can't get with any tunnel. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Feb 10 23:42:05 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 10 23:39:00 2007. Agreed. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Feb 10 23:45:45 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 10 23:27:01 2007. You can say the same thing about slavery. Today we think it is so horrible, but back in the 1820s and 30s, if you were against it and spoke out, you were considered a revolutionary. Most people felt that something about it wasn't right, but most just accepted it because that was just the way it was. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 10 23:47:21 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Feb 10 22:02:14 2007. What year would that bridge have been built in. It's "beauty" is measured by if it's older. Bridges built after 1950 or so, while still impressive and beautiful, usually don't have the same beauty as older bridges. Of course the Golden Gate and Brooklyn Bridges are probably two of the most beautiful bridges in the world. The Manhattan one is also beautiful. But when you start looking at the Verazanno, the Whitestone, and Throgs Neck, they are "products of their era", and not "quite" the Golden Gate Bridge or the Brooklyn Bridge. Even the GW, while a little more awe inspiring than the Throgs Neck or Whitestone is somewhat lacking. I believe the GW was supposed to have a stone covering, but that was forgone becuase of the Depression or something. The Verazzano is awe inspiring because of it's size, but the towers themselves are very bland. That bridge would probaly win the contest in the world if it was a little more intricate in design, as it's mere size alone makes it awe inspiring. I can't imagine if they designed it like the Golden Gate or some other older bridge how amazing it would be. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 10 23:49:34 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by MJF on Sat Feb 10 22:51:31 2007. It can come in through the Robert Moses Causway too, if I am not mistaken. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 10 23:52:53 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 10 22:14:05 2007. Yeah, it's "so" terrible having a city with decent roads and bridges like other cities. You think the price of stuff is high on Long Island and Manhattan now, just take away the GW Bridge, the Brooklyn-Battery Tunnel, the Verazano Bridge, the Lincoln Tunnel, the Midtown Tunnel, The Whitestone Bridge, the Throgs Nec Bridge, and all the Expressways and Parkways that are the lifeline of Long Island and Manhattan, and then see how great our "City of New York" would be. A city needs it's transit, but it ALSO needs it's roads and bridges. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 10 23:54:53 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 10 21:30:02 2007. Oh course, Long Island and NYC would function just fine without all it's Bridges and roads. It's nice living in an area that's stuck in the 1800's in the 2000's for the rest of the country. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Feb 10 23:57:29 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 10 23:30:19 2007. It's not a question of what lines would be feasible. If he was truly a Robert Moses II, you would like some of the ideas and also hate some of them. You might get something like a Second Avenue Subway, but not what you expected, and it would serve the people he wanted to serve and leave others in the cold, which is what I tried to show with the examples I gave earlier |
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Posted by PATHman on Sun Feb 11 00:01:57 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 10 23:30:19 2007. 1) LGA would have rail service2) The Rockaway Line would be revived 3) Staten Island would have at least two subway lines 4) Queens Blvd Super express with both the E and F extended to the city line 5) Second Avenue Subway 6) East Side Access 7) Metro North service to Penn Station with stops at Parkchester and Coop City 8) A Utica Avenue subway |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 11 00:22:50 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by PATHman on Sun Feb 11 00:01:57 2007. Yeah, those are all needed projects. Many of course have come up for decades, and all of them are feasible, and not mere fantasy....and you probably would need a Transit RM to revive the Rockaway Line! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 11 00:50:33 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by PATHman on Sun Feb 11 00:01:57 2007. Metro North service to Penn Station with stops at Parkchester and Coop CityThat'll never happen in any universe. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 11 00:53:48 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 10 23:52:53 2007. Yeah, it's "so" terrible having a city with decent roads and bridges like other citiesWhat decent roads and bridges? Name just one. A city needs it's transit, but it ALSO needs it's roads and bridges They were getting done without Moses. They would have gotten done in a far better configuration if he wasn't around. Plus, they would have gotten done without being at the expense of transit. You think the price of stuff is high on Long Island and Manhattan now, just take away the GW Bridge, the Brooklyn-Battery Tunnel, the Verazano Bridge, the Lincoln Tunnel, the Midtown Tunnel, The Whitestone Bridge, the Throgs Nec Bridge, and all the Expressways and Parkways that are the lifeline of Long Island and Manhattan, and then see how great our "City of New York" would be Eh, you're thinking about all that in reverse. The prices are higher because of that access. How about the lack of rail freight access? Answer us that one. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 11 00:57:07 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 10 23:54:53 2007. You are blathering. You need to get out of the NYC area and realize that very few places in the USA are "stuck in the 1800s". However, places like Long Island are stuck in the 1970s—like the rest of the country, in essence. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 11 00:58:14 2007, in response to Set Your VCR, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Feb 10 23:12:42 2007. My vote: V |
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Posted by BIE on Sun Feb 11 00:59:27 2007, in response to Re: Set Your VCR, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 11 00:58:14 2007. I vote "S" for scumbag. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 11 01:00:21 2007, in response to Re: Set Your VCR, posted by BIE on Sun Feb 11 00:59:27 2007. Add that choice to the poll. |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sun Feb 11 01:10:36 2007, in response to Set Your VCR, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Feb 10 23:12:42 2007. Umm..VCR? What's a VCR? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 11 01:14:47 2007, in response to Re: Set Your DVR/TIVO, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sun Feb 11 01:10:36 2007. Those are the devices you can buy for about $40 at the supermarket. They even still sell the tapes for 'em . . . |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sun Feb 11 01:23:15 2007, in response to Re: Set Your DVR/TIVO, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 11 01:14:47 2007. I know what they are, but the VHS and VCR kind of died a slow death over the last 5-6 years with the wave of digital products like DVDs and DVRs (Digital video recorder). |
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Posted by MJF on Sun Feb 11 07:57:02 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 10 23:49:34 2007. I was thinking about that but I wasn't sure if there is a weight restriction on the Causeway & bridge. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Sun Feb 11 08:10:38 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 10 21:36:51 2007. It was people who wanted something rural and rugged who came to AmericaNot in all cases, nor in so many cases as to make such folk the majority; otherwise the cities would have died Indeed. And it wasn't just the people who came to America who wanted to be country bumpkins - there were enough of them left behind. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Sun Feb 11 08:12:07 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Feb 10 21:53:40 2007. NYMBYistsNot Yn My Back Yardists? How mediaeval... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 11 09:10:28 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 11 00:53:48 2007. What decent roads and bridges? Name just one.You know exactly what I meant. They were getting done without Moses. They would have gotten done in a far better configuration if he wasn't around. Plus, they would have gotten done without being at the expense of transit. Hearsay. Name other cities in this country that were also expanding their transit system in that era more than it's road/bridge infastructure. Eh, you're thinking about all that in reverse. The prices are higher because of that access. How about the lack of rail freight access? Answer us that one. Have you ever seen what the LIRR Freight Dept used to handle until the 1960's? We used to have trains that looked like midwest trains come through Fremont interlocking. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 11 09:15:25 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 11 00:57:07 2007. You need to get out of the NYC area and realize that very few places in the USA are "stuck in the 1800s".I have been all over the country, so don't need a push out of the NYC area. And in the 1930's-1960's all the cities by and large were expanding their road systems. There are people here that didn't want Moses to build any roads, but just transit. Hardly any cities were expanding their transit as opposed to their road/bridge infastructure in that era. Moses brought the federal money to NY, money that NY was in competition with other cities with. Again, it's foolish to jsut assume that if Moses didn't use the money for the "Whitestone Bridge and the Cross Island", that it would have been used for the "2nd AVe subway" instead. No it would have went elsewhere, and we wouldn't have had the Whitestone OR the 2nd Ave subway.... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 11 09:16:27 2007, in response to Re: Set Your DVR/TIVO, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sun Feb 11 01:23:15 2007. You know exactly what the guy was trying to say. Jeez. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sun Feb 11 10:57:04 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by PATHman on Sun Feb 11 00:01:57 2007. #7 would never happen...Robert Moses would never want to help the people of Co-Op City...not rich enough#5 would happen but it would be done in some way that avoids the wealthiest areas and would be elevated in Harlem, thus creating a big divide #6 is a definite |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Feb 11 11:09:53 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 10 23:47:21 2007. The Triborough was opened in the 1936.I guess the Verrazano is so plain probably because by the time it was built they were already trying to save on costs and Moses wanted to build it in record time. The lower level was not supposed to be built until 1980, but was opened a few years after the bridge opened because of the unexpected high volumes of traffic. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 11 11:11:36 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by mtk52983 on Sun Feb 11 10:57:04 2007. What don't you understand in, it's "not" Robert Moses, but a "Robert Moses Transit Guy? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Feb 11 11:15:36 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 11 00:53:48 2007. "They were getting done without Moses. They would have gotten done in a far better configuration if he wasn't around."Not true. The Triborough had been stalled for about ten years, before Moses decided to get it built. Many of the roads and Bridges Moses built would never have gotten built without him or they would have been built 20 or more years later and probably would have been scaled down. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 11 11:16:04 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Feb 11 11:09:53 2007. The Triborough was opened in the 1936.Right, and the Triboruough has some beauty in it's towers because it was. I guess the Verrazano is so plain probably because by the time it was built they were already trying to save on costs and Moses wanted to build it in record time. Oh absolutely. As I said, anything built before 1950 has a lot more beauty than those after. However, I should add, that newer ones have a lot of beauty too. It's mostly the 60's, 70's, and 80's where they got bland. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Feb 11 11:27:46 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 11 00:57:07 2007. Auto travel in Brooklyn is slower than in any of the other boroughs (if you don't consider trying to get crosstown in Manhattan) because the Cross Brooklyn Expressway was not built. Without Moses, there probably would not have been a Belt Parkway and getting around by car would probably be totally impossible. Any trip out of Brooklyn would be increased by 30 to 45 minutes. You can't assume that mass transit would have been any better to fill in the gap. But what you can assume is that the southern portion of the borough would have been more sparsely populated. Canarsie and other neighborhoods would have been more rural like Staten Island was before the Bridge. I can remember when most of Canarsie was just vacant land. Without the Belt Parkway, the housing there never would have developed the way it did. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Feb 11 11:30:43 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 11 11:16:04 2007. "It's mostly the 60's, 70's, and 80's where they got bland."You can say the same about the NYC Subway stations that were built or rebuilt in the 50s and 60s. (59th St - Lex Lower level, Lex Av platform extensions, Grand St, etc.) |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Sun Feb 11 11:33:34 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 11 11:16:04 2007. It's mostly the 60's, 70's, and 80's where they got bland.The 90s and 00s aren't much better. Even when they worked out that certain traditional building materials (e.g. terracotta/faience) had there advantages, they'd forgotten how to use them. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Feb 11 11:59:31 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 11 11:11:36 2007. I think he understands perfectly well.You weren't specific enough in what you were asking for. When you say "Robert Moses Transit Guy" you mean the good and the bad, not just the good. You can't separate the two because to get things done he had to upset people and go against the democratic processes. If you meant someone who got things done like Robert Moses but someone who also listened to the people you should have said so and I would have responded differently. But that wouldn't have been Robert Moses. One of the most interesting things in the Caro book was Moses' failed run for governor. If Caro is correct, Moses was probably the only person who ever ran for office where campaigning actually hurt him. Caro asserts that many of his supporters withdrew their support for him only after attending one of his lecturing campaign speeches where he displayed that he was an arrogant bastard. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Feb 11 12:02:40 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by Rail Blue on Sun Feb 11 11:33:34 2007. You don't like the way they rebuilt the Broadway line combining the old with the new? I think they are doing a much better job now. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 11 12:09:59 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by Rail Blue on Sun Feb 11 11:33:34 2007. The 90's and newer may not be the "Golden Gate Bridge" era, but it's certainly not the 60's and 70's crap either. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 11 12:10:59 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Feb 11 11:30:43 2007. Yup, it's basically architecture in general that was bad in the 60's to 80's. Even single family homes built in that era are built crappily. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 11 12:11:35 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Feb 11 11:15:36 2007. Exactly. |
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