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Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 28 23:43:03 2006, in response to Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long), posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Mar 28 23:31:58 2006. The Olympus Stylus 800 is not a cheap camera by any means. Either the taxpayers in LaLa land are very compassionate or you've collected many bottles and cans in your travels. Nice pictures, though, salaam. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Mar 28 23:49:35 2006, in response to Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long), posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 28 23:43:03 2006. i am not bothering you leave me alone please !!you did not pay for my camera!! & no' body' else' remember that !! .............. thankz i was experementing with hard raining and nightime photography !! whats wrong with the '''transit pigs''' here ?? damn !!! |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 28 23:52:09 2006, in response to Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long), posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Mar 28 23:49:35 2006. I complimented your pictures, didn't I? |
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Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long) |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Mar 28 23:53:01 2006, in response to Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long), posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 28 23:43:03 2006. that camera did not cost me that muchthey barely took 3 from me 4 it !! |
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Re: NOT ARRESTED FOR taking photos! |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Mar 28 23:59:54 2006, in response to NOT ARRESTED FOR taking photos!, posted by bikebusrider on Tue Mar 28 22:05:39 2006. I agree. I would never tell them if I intended to fight it. In fact, when I left I intended to pay it and wasn't really considering fighting it. They all told me that I was wrong when I didn't show my ID and I had no reason not to believe them. On the way back I kept trying to figure out if not showing my ID is illegal then why doesn't my ticket say that? Why does it say "unruly behavior?" After a little research I decided that it is at least worthwhile to have it all explained to me in court.Anyway, I appreciate your advice and I will keep you posted as to what happens. I saw your post on the LACMTA yahoo goup. I will keep everyone updated there as well. |
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Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long) |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Wed Mar 29 00:08:17 2006, in response to Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long), posted by JPC on Fri Mar 24 02:34:07 2006. People mumble sometimes.IDs can clarify that mumbling. |
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Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long) |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Mar 29 00:10:10 2006, in response to Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long), posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Mar 28 23:31:58 2006. I'm glad that you didn't get hassled. It would be nice to get LACMTA to clarify their position on photography. I don't think that there is a rule or law against it. The commander told me that it is considered supicious. He said that I can take as many pictures as I want, but that I should expect to be stopped and questioned as to why. Personally, I'll likely wait to take any more pictures until after my court date. |
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Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long) |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Mar 29 00:23:00 2006, in response to Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long), posted by Easy on Wed Mar 29 00:10:10 2006. take some nowdont stop cauz i am not gonna !! photographers rights !! |
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Re: Today I drained the resources of the LA Sheriff's Dept. and showed what a moron I am |
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Posted by vfrt on Wed Mar 29 18:43:53 2006, in response to Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long), posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Mar 29 00:23:00 2006. One Question. What the hell country are you from and do they speak ENGLISH there. Thank you. |
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Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long) |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 29 22:08:27 2006, in response to Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long), posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Mar 28 23:31:58 2006. Very nice pictures. |
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Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long) |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu Mar 30 09:38:44 2006, in response to Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long), posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 29 22:08:27 2006. very hard to do and thats the challenge to rise up to !!i got some new techniques i will try to keep the lens dry and they will look even better !! |
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Case Dismissed!!! Deputy doesn't show! |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Nov 3 13:04:36 2006, in response to Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long), posted by Easy on Sat Mar 18 20:02:12 2006. Wow that took forever didn't it?It took me three trips to court to get this all resolved. On my first trip 60 days after getting the ticket I was told that my fine was $900. All thoughts of not contesting the ticket disappeared instantly when I heard that figure. The BS part was that I was supposed to pay a bail equal to the fine amount to even GET a court date. They gave me an additional 3 months to come up with the bail amount. As it turned out the arraignment judge also thought that the bail was too high and tossed it out so I was able to get a trial with no bail. My trial was then scheduled 30 days later where today... My deputy was a NO SHOW! Fantastic. I still think that the principle is important, but I really didn't want to have to pay $900. About half of the people in the room had their cases dismissed for the same reason. Hell the judge didn't even show up. We were all TOLD to sign a paper saying that we give up our right to a trial by a regular judge (even though the paper clearly stated that you didn't have to sign). The judge threw out another case without hearing testimony. A woman had been given a ticket for being on a train only minutes (they didn't say how many) after her ticket expired. The judge called it a blatant misuse of the ticketing process. I assumed that he meant the violation ticket and not the train ticket although he didn't really say. ;) |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Fri Nov 3 13:14:02 2006, in response to Case Dismissed!!! Deputy doesn't show!, posted by Easy on Fri Nov 3 13:04:36 2006. Congratulations! |
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Posted by Tunnel Rat on Fri Nov 3 13:15:03 2006, in response to Case Dismissed!!! Deputy doesn't show!, posted by Easy on Fri Nov 3 13:04:36 2006. Hey guys,case dismissed on the woman who was a few minutes late.same principal,I rest my case. |
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Posted by mambomta on Fri Nov 3 13:22:10 2006, in response to Re: Case Dismissed!!! Deputy doesn't show!, posted by Tunnel Rat on Fri Nov 3 13:15:03 2006. Hey guys,case dismissed on the woman who was a few minutes late.same principal,I rest my case.It's not the same. What she did could be construed as accidental, similar to getting back to your car a few minutes after the meter expired, or regulation went into effect. What you did can only be construed as intentional. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Nov 3 13:25:08 2006, in response to Re: Case Dismissed!!! Deputy doesn't show!, posted by mambomta on Fri Nov 3 13:22:10 2006. Correct. It's a blantant act of "intentional" when you park in a spot 10 minutes before the sign says not to. He chose to do that.You know you risk a ticket when you park in a spot too early, before the time says you can park. |
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Posted by Tunnel Rat on Fri Nov 3 13:30:16 2006, in response to Re: Case Dismissed!!! Deputy doesn't show!, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Nov 3 13:25:08 2006. Wasn`t 10 minutes,it was 5,plus I forgot to mention[its been 5 years] that I stode there for a good 2 minutes,making it 927am.The m/m had pre-written the tag&was looking to dump it.Verified by neighbours who had watched him do this before. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Fri Nov 3 13:35:07 2006, in response to Case Dismissed!!! Deputy doesn't show!, posted by Easy on Fri Nov 3 13:04:36 2006. "A woman had been given a ticket for being on a train only minutes (they didn't say how many) after her ticket expired. The judge called it a blatant misuse of the ticketing process."Damn straight. I didn't realize you have to deboard the train once your ticket expires and get a new one. I thought tickets were for a ride, not for a certain timelength. IE, you're trip is 45 minutes. You board your first stop 20 minutes before ticket expires. LIke the old paper transfers that I believe SEPTA still uses. I have to get off halfway on my journey and reboard???? But if I'm in a city like Vancouver, where all transit uses the same ticket, and I swipe that same pass 25 minutes before expiration on a 45 minute journey, there's no problem, because I "Paid my fare" when I swiped. I see a prob with that. Congrats btw. I didn't know LA was Saudi Arabia. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Fri Nov 3 13:35:54 2006, in response to Re: Case Dismissed!!! Deputy doesn't show!, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Nov 3 13:35:07 2006. "But if I'm in a city like Vancouver, where all transit uses the same ticket, and I swipe that same pass 25 minutes before expiration on a 45 minute journey, there's no problem, because I "Paid my fare" when I swiped.I see a prob with that." Swipe on a bus I mean, or somethign that has a farebox versus visual random inspections. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Nov 3 13:36:19 2006, in response to Case Dismissed!!! Deputy doesn't show!, posted by Easy on Fri Nov 3 13:04:36 2006. Excellent news! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Nov 3 13:37:05 2006, in response to Case Dismissed!!! Deputy doesn't show!, posted by Easy on Fri Nov 3 13:04:36 2006. Hmmm, maybe he didn't show in order not to set a precedent with the ruling.... Conspiracy...:) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Nov 3 13:39:38 2006, in response to Re: Case Dismissed!!! Deputy doesn't show!, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Nov 3 13:35:07 2006. Um, no. In a POP system, AFAIK, you can only be within the fare-paid zone while holding a valid ticket. The idea is that you validate it not long before you begin your trip and that the ticket has way more than enough time on it for you to complete a single one-way trip. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Nov 3 13:50:09 2006, in response to Case Dismissed!!! Deputy doesn't show!, posted by Easy on Fri Nov 3 13:04:36 2006. So a substitute judge dismissed the cases (you said the judge didn't show up)?Anyway, congrats! |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Nov 3 13:55:02 2006, in response to Case Dismissed!!! Deputy doesn't show!, posted by Easy on Fri Nov 3 13:04:36 2006. Congrads glad everything worked out... |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri Nov 3 14:13:24 2006, in response to Case Dismissed!!! Deputy doesn't show!, posted by Easy on Fri Nov 3 13:04:36 2006. A woman had been given a ticket for being on a train only minutes (they didn't say how many) after her ticket expired. The judge called it a blatant misuse of the ticketing process.From what I've seen on HBLR and RiverLINE, the people will hang around the station area and ask customers leaving the train station if they have tickets so they can get a free ride. From my experiences, I've seen quite a few people get on the light rail that way and it's sucessful since the majority of the tickets are validated in time, and if they're not, the inspectors end up making them get another one at the next stop. |
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Posted by South Ferry on Fri Nov 3 15:31:18 2006, in response to Case Dismissed!!! Deputy doesn't show!, posted by Easy on Fri Nov 3 13:04:36 2006. Delighted to hear about this update.Glad things got resolved in a civilized (sic) manner and in your favor! |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Fri Nov 3 16:45:27 2006, in response to Re: Case Dismissed!!! Deputy doesn't show!, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Nov 3 13:39:38 2006. That's interesting. My Favorite Example, Vancouver:"Translink provides up to 90 minutes of travel for each cash fare or Faresaver ticket." Same ticket is good for buses, Seabus, and Skytrain. Seabus and skytrain is proof of purchase by showing it. Buses have a farebox. If I get on the bus after 88 minutes, whose going to know it expired while I'm on the bus? Skytrain is 39 minutes from end to end I think. Seabus is 12 minutes. 51 minutes total not including wait etc leaves 39 minutes. I think it's probably possible for your ticket to expire mid-journey, and if I'm supposed to get off and get another ticket for a few minutes, with the loopholes, I think it's rediculous. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Nov 3 16:48:28 2006, in response to Re: Case Dismissed!!! Deputy doesn't show!, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Nov 3 16:45:27 2006. You're talking about two different systems, farebox vs. POP.Example of farebox: New York City. Your metrocard transfer is good for 2 hours and 18 minutes or something. You can swipe it at any time during that time and then stay in the system for as long as you want. Example of POP: Hudson Bergen line. You can only be on the train for the time your ticket is valid. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Fri Nov 3 17:15:05 2006, in response to Re: Case Dismissed!!! Deputy doesn't show!, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Nov 3 16:48:28 2006. I understand it's two "different systems". But when you buy the passes from the same machine that are valid on all vehicles... |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Fri Nov 3 17:17:08 2006, in response to Case Dismissed!!! Deputy doesn't show!, posted by Easy on Fri Nov 3 13:04:36 2006. That's good to hear. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Nov 3 18:39:45 2006, in response to Re: Case Dismissed!!! Deputy doesn't show!, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Nov 3 13:50:09 2006. Yeah I didn't make that part clear. They had an attorney fill in as the judge, not an officially sworn in judge. I was a little worried that an attorney would be more likely to find people guilty than the regular judge. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Nov 3 18:43:12 2006, in response to Re: Case Dismissed!!! Deputy doesn't show!, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri Nov 3 14:13:24 2006. If I were one to assume, I might assume that's what happened in this case. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Nov 3 19:45:57 2006, in response to Re: Case Dismissed!!! Deputy doesn't show!, posted by Easy on Fri Nov 3 18:39:45 2006. Maybe he was sworn in temporarily by the chief judge?Iwonder how that substitution process works. I hope his dismissals cannot be reversed by a "real" judge. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Nov 3 20:14:16 2006, in response to Re: Case Dismissed!!! Deputy doesn't show!, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Nov 3 19:45:57 2006. I don't remember the exact terminology, but the paperwork had his signature underneath a statement where he swore to uphold the constitution of the US and the laws of...blah, blah, blah.Our paperwork also had some statement that we were waiving our rights to have our cases heard by a judge and that we agreed that whatever decision was reached would be final. It almost sounded like arbitration although that word was never used. |
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Posted by American Pig on Fri Nov 3 20:37:37 2006, in response to Re: Case Dismissed!!! Deputy doesn't show!, posted by Tunnel Rat on Fri Nov 3 13:30:16 2006. If this had happened, then why are you only mentioning it now. If you could wait until 9:27, you could certainly wait until 9:30. |
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Posted by Market-Frankford on Fri Nov 3 23:08:02 2006, in response to Re: Case Dismissed!!! Deputy doesn't show!, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Nov 3 13:35:07 2006. SEPTA transfers are good for 2 hours. But even that doesn't really matter, since I've never seen a driver or agent who actually looked at the time (a lot of them just take it and throw it away). |
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Posted by JPC on Fri Nov 3 23:26:15 2006, in response to Case Dismissed!!! Deputy doesn't show!, posted by Easy on Fri Nov 3 13:04:36 2006. Congrats. My respects to you for standing up to the man. Taking time off from work, showing up to court, being willing to face down the officer who so blatantly threatened you and demeaned you in such a manner (even though you ended up not having to), being willing to explain yourself to a judgeNow what about the officer's comment about your name being put on a watchlist? Is there any update on that? |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Nov 4 00:32:23 2006, in response to Re: Case Dismissed!!! Deputy doesn't show!, posted by JPC on Fri Nov 3 23:26:15 2006. I don't know for sure about the watchlist. I've had a few background checks over the last few months for private industry and the military. Nobody has said anything so I guess that I'm okay.BTW much thanks to you and everyone else offering their congratulations. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Sat Nov 4 00:33:46 2006, in response to Case Dismissed!!! Deputy doesn't show!, posted by Easy on Fri Nov 3 13:04:36 2006. This shouldn't have happened in the first place. |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Sat Nov 4 04:25:17 2006, in response to Case Dismissed!!! Deputy doesn't show!, posted by Easy on Fri Nov 3 13:04:36 2006. Congratulations.This was a blatant abuse of power on the part of that officer, and a direct and illegal challenge to your Constitutionally-protected right to photograph what you want in a public place. Yet, as difficult as it probably was for you, you didn't back down. You stood up for your rights. You fought the good fight, and you won. Your experience is a fine example for all here to follow. Once again, congratulations. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 4 10:33:14 2006, in response to Re: Case Dismissed!!! Deputy doesn't show!, posted by Bingham C50 on Sat Nov 4 04:25:17 2006. But the officer's name and number is on the ticket.Contact his precinct commander so that he may be reprimanded for not knowing the law, and for waisting your time in court, with out the courtesy of his appearance. ROAR |
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Posted by BIE on Sat Nov 4 10:56:40 2006, in response to Re: Case Dismissed!!! Deputy doesn't show!, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 4 10:33:14 2006. GOOD IUDEA!!!!!!! Free people need to hit back when abused or you can flush the Constitution. Als0 notify the ACLU and CCRB. |
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Posted by Henri G on Sat Nov 4 13:44:48 2006, in response to Re: Case Dismissed!!! Deputy doesn't show!, posted by G1Ravage on Sat Nov 4 00:33:46 2006. Conratulations and THANKS. As a railfan and resident in the Los Angeles area, I have taken pictures at the 7th & Flower Blue Line station.Another favorite underground spot (We don't have too many in L.A.) is the Red Line Junction, outbound, from the Vermont Ave.Stn.I am in the process of testing a new digital camera, Canon PowerShot SD700 IS and will do so without having to sneak around.Thanks again, HRG |
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Posted by JPC on Sat Nov 4 14:37:24 2006, in response to Re: Case Dismissed!!! Deputy doesn't show!, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 4 10:33:14 2006. Contact his precinct commander so that he may be reprimanded for not knowing the law, and for waisting your time in court, with out the courtesy of his appearance.Exactly. "Winning" is such a relative term. Was this officer reprimanded for his egregious actions? He's a miserable son of a bitch and his actions are inexcusable. He should be. Has the LAPD issued an updated advisory to its officers telling them that photography is legal? While photography may be a "suspicious" act worthy of police investigation in some cases, it by no means allows an officer to threaten a photographer with arrest or violence. Intently taking photographs of things that most people pay no mind to and take for granted is certainly unusual. Police officers are trained to look for unusual things and investigate them. "Investigation" means you go up, ask some questions and figure out what the hell is going on. Again, "winning" is a relative term. I'm sure the exact same situation will repeat itself over and over again, until some very real changes are made. When people in the US wake up and realize that the Homeland Security emperor has no clothes, and elect people who will make appropriate changes, and enough people rise up and make a stink about these abhorrent breaches of Constitutional liberties and don't back down until something real is done about it, then we shall have "won." |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 4 17:51:57 2006, in response to Re: Case Dismissed!!! Deputy doesn't show!, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Nov 3 17:15:05 2006. IT DEPENDS WHICH OF THE TWO SYSTEMS EACH VEHICLE OPERATES UNDER, FAREBOX OR POP. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Sat Nov 4 18:05:27 2006, in response to Re: Case Dismissed!!! Deputy doesn't show!, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 4 17:51:57 2006. Goto the website linked. Same farecard. Farecard is "good for 90 minutes" yet the farecard goes in the farebox or POP. Website doesn't say anything aboot "depending on vehicle operation". |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 4 21:58:07 2006, in response to Re: Case Dismissed!!! Deputy doesn't show!, posted by JPC on Sat Nov 4 14:37:24 2006. "When people in the US wake up and realize that the Homeland Security emperor has no clothes, and elect people who will make appropriate changes, and enough people rise up and make a stink about these abhorrent breaches of Constitutional liberties and don't back down until something real is done about it, then we shall have "won." "This has nothing to do with homeland security. Maybe some local fuzz interpret it this way, but that in NOT what was intended, and NOWHERE in the Homeland Security BS does it say anything about restricting liberties. BTW: Our ambulance service just got 10 new encrypted digital radios through Homeland Security funding. ROAR |
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Posted by JPC on Sun Nov 5 01:34:55 2006, in response to Re: Case Dismissed!!! Deputy doesn't show!, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 4 21:58:07 2006. BTW: Our ambulance service just got 10 new encrypted digital radios through Homeland Security funding.Very cool. We've gotten turnout gear and new helmets. Homeland security pork. Mmmmm. I agree with you that Homeland Security shouldn't have anything to do with restricting liberties. I'm not a terrorist. You're not a terrorist. Neither are any of the hundreds of people I know. Any truly effective security measure will focus its efforts on the guilty; therefore the innocent will experience little of these measures. Now, some have bastardized the concept. There is security theater (the phrase that security consultant Bruce Schneier has coined - google his name for lots more info). This includes airport security, subway bag searches, etc. The idea of security theater is you perform what looks like security, but aim it at the (overwhelmingly innocent) general public. The general public sees what, in their untrained opinon, looks like security, and it makes them feel safe (like safe little sheep), and it makes them think their elected officials are doing a good job protecting the Homeland (when in actualty such security theater only detracts from the real job of finding terrorists). So security theater is popular among the sheeple (because they think it keeps them safe), and popular among elected officials (because it makes the sheeple happy). Does barely more than zero to stop any attack from occurring, but if you don't think too hard about it (which is how you have to treat all of politics nowadays), it makes sense. Then there are the authoritarians among us who've been getting morning stiffies for years thinking about how they can introduce new laws to curtail freedom. I find these people abhorrent. Yet many of them are behind the Patriot Act (c'mon, you don't think they wrote all 700 pages of it immediately after 9/11, do you? It was all boilerplate, ready to go but waiting for a trigger, and 9/11 provided it.), the Military Commissions Act, and so on. These authoritarians exist both on the right (arguing for laws against consentual sodomy, flag burning, medical marijuana, subway photography, limits on political free speech, limits on sex/health education, etc.), and on the left (gun control, limits to free speech, and often, albeit generally to a lesser extent, what the authoritarians on the right are pushing). Then there are the overzealous cops, who combine the above and we have what was discussed in this thread. So you're right, homeland security shouldn't require us to give up our rights (and as Mr. Franklin has said, those who would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither), but in practice it does. When the sheeple wake up and realize security theater is just theater, and vote the authoritarians out of office, then we'll have our signals clear and it'll be smooth sailing. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sun Nov 5 09:56:34 2006, in response to Re: Case Dismissed!!! Deputy doesn't show!, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Nov 3 16:45:27 2006. Do you have to hold onto the ticket while you're on the bus in case you're inspected?Some transit systems have hybrid fare systems. London, for instance, has faregates at most but not all stations, and the driver checks that you've somehow paid your fare on most buses. But some stations (including the entire DLR, aside from Bank and, I suppose, Stratford) are ungated, and so-called bendy-buses allow boarding through all three doors. Throughout the system, you must keep your ticket (paper or electronic) handy in case an inspector asks to see it. And I think Paris has faregates everywhere, but I did once see an inspector inspecting the tickets of everybody exiting a station. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Sun Nov 5 10:47:39 2006, in response to Re: Case Dismissed!!! Deputy doesn't show!, posted by David of Broadway on Sun Nov 5 09:56:34 2006. That's the detail I'm not sure about. I don't see it and can't find that info online. I suppose they could spotcheck you on the bus, but it doesn't seem like it's the type of thing that would happen.They could easily add faregates at the train stations, but given that they're pretty unmanned, it would be pointless if you could just jump over. Probably the most cost-effective loophole they have going. I'm going to assume the two new lines being built are POP also. |
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