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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 16:21:44 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 3 23:38:35 2006. No, the more I think about it, the more I want the Silver and Blue. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 16:22:23 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 3 23:40:55 2006. OK, Silver and Blue. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 16:23:08 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 3 23:45:03 2006. Ok, your right. Again, bring back the Silver and Blue. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 16:28:08 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by SilverFox on Wed Oct 4 04:24:00 2006. Yes, I understand. So then they should bring the Silver and Blue. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 16:29:35 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Allan on Wed Oct 4 08:22:35 2006. Um, no. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 16:31:51 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Jace on Wed Oct 4 10:45:41 2006. IAWTP.The problem with scratchiti is that it ruins your vision to see outside from the car and vice-versa. |
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Posted by SilverFox on Wed Oct 4 16:33:08 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Oct 4 15:13:32 2006. Then you maintain a very interesting paradox. It's vandalism, but it has merit. Look, I understand that some graffiti are "artistic" and were painstakingly drafted. No argument there. But graffiti serve no useful social purpose whatsoever. None. Artistic, or not. Graffiti serve a social purpose, but not the kind decent society wants any part of. I don't understand this fawning admiration for ghetto culture. And that's what graffiti represent. Isn't it every human being's desire to lift themselves as far away from such filth as possible if given the chance? |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 16:34:34 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Oct 4 14:40:05 2006. Yea. I mean there are some graffiti thats just scribble-scrabble, and there are some that's like a nice art work. But again, just bring back the Silver and Blue. |
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Posted by SilverFox on Wed Oct 4 16:36:06 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 16:28:08 2006. The blue stripe would break the monochrome of the stainless steel. I do feel that the cars had a bit more character wearing it than totally bare. The uniform red scheme looked decent, however; probably because the bonnets and anticlimbers were black and the roofs were silver, breaking up the monochrome of red a bit. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 16:36:44 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by 1/9 Broadway Local on Wed Oct 4 14:55:48 2006. IDAWTP. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 16:37:38 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by monorail on Wed Oct 4 15:09:03 2006. Oh crap... |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 16:38:08 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by monorail on Wed Oct 4 15:18:00 2006. Me too. |
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Posted by SilverFox on Wed Oct 4 16:43:02 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Oct 4 15:10:40 2006. I highly doubt that should a graffiti epidemic return to the subways that it would come with the crime and lack of maitenance that was experienced in the 80s. A graffiti epidemic is the first indication of a lack of maintenance. Subway cars should not be graffiti'd, period. If they are on the road for X hours, days, weeks, months, or years wearing graffiti scrawls, it is the very definition of somebody not paying attention and not caring. It's very difficult to allow one type of maintenance defect (vandalized carbodies) to persist while addressing other maintenance issues, such as brake shoe thickness, bearing lubrication, and motor health. While there might not be a connection between spraypainted carbodies and these other maintenance concerns, suppose cleaning the graffiti off the carbodies weakens the carbodies through excessive scrubbing, washing, sandblasting, or whatever is done to remedy that problem. Pretty soon, you will have rotting carbodies with tip-top running gear. Is that economical? Again, in and of themselves, graffiti are harmless, but as part of the bigger picture, they are the apex of the slippery slope. Give into graffiti, and pretty soon a return to order will be nearly impossible without 100 times the effort than otherwise would have been necessary, as has already been demonstrated. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Oct 4 16:45:28 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by 1/9 Broadway Local on Wed Oct 4 14:55:48 2006. Thanks for jamming your opinion down our collective throat. |
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Posted by SilverFox on Wed Oct 4 16:45:30 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by monorail on Wed Oct 4 15:03:37 2006. How about we add some "ghetto chic" to your house? Our choice of aspects. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Oct 4 16:47:35 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Oct 4 14:52:15 2006. Plastic film!Look at the R142/3s' windows. They're almost devoid of scratchitti due to the removable protective film. |
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Posted by tydev417 on Wed Oct 4 16:58:16 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by monorail on Wed Oct 4 14:53:54 2006. both beautiful views! That's not beautiful at all...it really isn't... You're twisted thoughts are so.....twisted...  This is in no way beautiful,  compared to the way it stands now.  |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 17:02:18 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by tydev417 on Wed Oct 4 16:58:16 2006. Well, atleast make a cars a diferent color then the dull color they have now. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Oct 4 17:13:55 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by monorail on Wed Oct 4 00:07:57 2006. I will defend your right to be wrong. |
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Posted by tydev417 on Wed Oct 4 17:31:17 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 17:02:18 2006. Well it is bright and shiny stainless steel, so don't expect too much color from them.The NTT and the rest of the current fleet has no less color than the dirt brown color found on the NYC Rails from 1900 up to 1950..the Manhttan and Brooklyn Elevated Gate Cars from 1900-1917 up to the IRT Low-Vs, Hi-Vs and World's Fair Cars from 1900-1925 and 1938, all the BRT and Elevated Cars of the 1920s, and the BMT R1 through R10 from 1930-1948 and the IRT R12 cars of 1948....... |
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Posted by Westinghouse XCB248S on Wed Oct 4 17:36:54 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Tue Oct 3 17:40:31 2006. I find it to be repulsive rather than beautiful. Oh, by the way you mispelled beautiful. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 17:41:04 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Westinghouse XCB248S on Wed Oct 4 17:36:54 2006. And again, that's why I said, then bring back the Silver and Blue. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Oct 4 17:45:41 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 16:38:08 2006. Dumb and Dumber. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 17:47:49 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Dave on Wed Oct 4 17:45:41 2006. I would LIKE to get a photo of a car like that. That's dumb? |
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Posted by Westinghouse XCB248S on Wed Oct 4 17:49:43 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Oct 4 14:52:15 2006. By putting mylar coverings on the windows. |
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Posted by tydev417 on Wed Oct 4 17:51:14 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 17:41:04 2006. Why? Stainless steel is better. The Silver and Blue was a makeshift paint scheme of the late 70s for trains that weren't stainless steel from the start. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 17:52:32 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by tydev417 on Wed Oct 4 17:51:14 2006. But the Blue and Silver is more attractive then drabby old and dull steel. |
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Posted by tydev417 on Wed Oct 4 17:53:03 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 17:47:49 2006. The MTA was at it's lowest point in history as seen in those pictures and you two call them "beautiful"? |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 17:54:14 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by tydev417 on Wed Oct 4 17:53:03 2006. You know what, forget it. I don't want to start a flame war, i'm just saying my opinion. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Oct 4 17:54:28 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by tydev417 on Wed Oct 4 17:51:14 2006. Care to explain the R38/40M/42/44/46s then? |
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Posted by Westinghouse XCB248S on Wed Oct 4 17:55:58 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 16:38:08 2006. I think you need your brains to be checked. |
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Posted by Westinghouse XCB248S on Wed Oct 4 17:56:17 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 16:38:08 2006. I think you need your brain needs to be checked. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 17:56:48 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Westinghouse XCB248S on Wed Oct 4 17:56:17 2006. What ever. |
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Posted by tydev417 on Wed Oct 4 17:57:53 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 17:52:32 2006. You have got it backwards..the blue and silver covered previous distasteful paint schemes covered in dirt, grime, graffiti only to become dirty, grimy, mucky and covered in graffiti itself. The system finally becoming all stainless steel is like a gift from heaven, something the MTA has been after for a long time. The Silver And Blue was nothing more than a makeshift paint scheme matching that of the LIRR M1s. |
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Posted by tydev417 on Wed Oct 4 17:58:37 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Oct 4 17:54:28 2006. They were delivered like that.. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 17:59:41 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by tydev417 on Wed Oct 4 17:58:37 2006. And it would be nice to see them on the NTT's. |
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Posted by tydev417 on Wed Oct 4 18:01:34 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 17:54:14 2006. I don't want to start a flame war either...I'm stating my opinion like you are stating yours. It's just...the system was at it's lowest point from the 70s to the 80s, and to say that it was "better" than the way it stands now is a very distasteful thought. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 18:02:35 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by tydev417 on Wed Oct 4 18:01:34 2006. I understand %100. It would just be nice to see the blue stripe once again. Hey, it's better then graffiti. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Oct 4 18:06:13 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 17:47:49 2006. Would it be beautiful is someone tagged your house or apartment building in the same manner as car #1801?Sure, I think it's beautiful to see your house vandalized! |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 18:07:20 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Oct 4 18:06:13 2006. Um, no. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Oct 4 18:09:24 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by tydev417 on Wed Oct 4 17:57:53 2006. The Silver And Blue was nothing more than a makeshift paint scheme matching that of the LIRR M1s.The R32 subway cars were stainless steel silver with blue doors were in service four years before the LIRR Metropolitan 1 cars debuted on the LIRR. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 18:10:32 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Oct 4 18:09:24 2006. My opinion: It would be nice to see the blue doors again on the 32's. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Oct 4 18:11:26 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 18:07:20 2006. But you thought car #1801 was a beautiful work of art on display while in service. No one at NYCT gave the vandal permission to tag the car.If you owned this car, before the tag, and someone did it later on, how would you feel about what you call "beautiful artwork"? |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 18:12:01 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Oct 4 18:11:26 2006. Well, i'm not sure. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Oct 4 18:13:56 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 18:12:01 2006. You are now not sure?Exactly 24 hours and 33 minutes ago, you said it was Beutiful. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 18:14:19 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Oct 4 18:13:56 2006. Oh well. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 18:15:27 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 18:14:19 2006. Well, I would not care. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Oct 4 18:17:40 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Oct 4 18:13:56 2006. Maybe he read some convincing statements and changed his mind on the matter. Perhaps someone made a point he'd not considered earlier.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 18:18:59 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Fred G on Wed Oct 4 18:17:40 2006. Thank you for understanding. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Oct 4 18:19:11 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 18:14:19 2006. I have been through the lowest point in the sorry 1970's and early 80's era of graffiti, super hot cars in the summer, super cold cars in the winter (especially the R27/30s I rode on the M), rampant crime and violence (roving gangs of at least 20-30 punks would go "wilding" in each area, terrorizing innocent customers), and constant breakdowns.I know you won't want that to happen. |
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