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Posted by Canton Viaduct on Mon Aug 14 10:19:26 2006 I just posted 128 photos from this morning in another thread, but I wanted to start another thread to discuss what happened to me at Broadway-Nassau.Looking into the railfan window heading into the station on a crowded (A), I noticed a cop approaching. I had a good idea as to what would happen next. The doors at Broadway-Nassau opened and I was tapped on my left shoulder, and told to "come with [the officer]." I obliged, and was shaking all the while. Immediately, I was asked why I was taking videos of the subway. I've actually never tried out the movie function of my camera (as I've only had it for about a week), so I explained to him that I was only taking still photography and that it was perfectly legal to do so. He immediately informed me that I was worrying many people on the train, and again asked why I was taking photos of "sensitive areas" (such as tunnels, which, as I just reviewed my photos, not one tunnel exists without at least a platform). He then asked for my ID. I again explained to him that it was legal and attempted to cite the exact rule number from the code of conduct, at which point he agreed, though he said that I would have to produce ID because I had been "pulled off a train." I then showed him both my state issued ID and school ID. I was wearing a sweatshirt showing the same school name, which might have helped. He then opened his notebook (which first had me thinking "ticket"), then asked me for my name, address, phone number, and again for the same information from my home just outside of Boston (i.e. my parents' house, for when I'm not in school). He then took my camera and placed it in his pocket. This is when I became visually nervous. He then basically read me the riot act about recent terrorist threats (specifically last week's), and then took out the camera and asked me show him my pictures. I was alone, obviously shaken up (and he asked to know "why I was so nervous"), so I wasn't going to say no. I even offered to delete the photos. About 10 minutes later, he said he'd "let me go" and asked me to "place the camera in my pocket." Shortly before doing so, he referenced the FBI handling worse matters, or something to that extent (which again shook me up), though I'm assuming that everything he was doing came from a higher authority so I'm not sure if I can entirely place him at fault. Needless to say, I immediately hopped on the next train and remained silent. I'm currently waiting for the NYCLU to call me back regarding the matter, and in the meantime, I'm rather apprehensive about taking photos in the near future. The whole incident really riled me up, in only my second time out. I was having a lot of fun too. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Aug 14 10:23:48 2006, in response to Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Canton Viaduct on Mon Aug 14 10:19:26 2006. Sigh..Sign "O" The Times My Freind.... This looks like is going to be an Issue now if they start talking FBI stuff to innconet railfans taking pictures.. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 14 10:24:40 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Railman718 on Mon Aug 14 10:23:48 2006. um, no. It is WRONG. "Sign "O" The Times" is not an excuse. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Aug 14 10:26:27 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 14 10:24:40 2006. I guess you think i agree with what the officer did then? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 14 10:40:34 2006, in response to Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Canton Viaduct on Mon Aug 14 10:19:26 2006. This is an outrage!!This THREAD at RR.net nicely summarizes what your rights are when you are stopped by police while doing a 100% legal activity. In short, the next time you are stopped: 1. Follow the policeman's initial orders (i.e. get off the train) 2. He'll ask you what you are doing - tell him you are a railfan taking photos of the subway 3. He will probably ask for your name, SS#, and/or ID next. At this point you can tell him that you were doing a 100% legal activity, you do not wish to provide any of that information, and unless he has reasonable suspicion that you were doing an illegal activity, you would like to go and continue what you were doing. 4. At that point, he has to either let you go or arrest you. Most likely he will let you go, but if he arrests you, you stand to make some good money from the lawsuit you'll be filing! And remember: 1. You do not have to show him your photos. If he asks to see them at a very minimum tell him it is a new camera and you don't know how to review them yet. 2. Giving him any info like your name, SS#, and/or ID is totally voluntary, even though he told you that you HAD to provide it. 3. You should NEVER volunteer to delete your photos, because the policeman might just take you up on the offer 4. You should never delete your photos if HE tells you to. That is an illegal directive that you do not have to comply with. Please don't let this experience deter you from continuing to take AWESOME photos in the subway! Your photos are an asset to this board! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 14 10:41:16 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Railman718 on Mon Aug 14 10:26:27 2006. No, but it seems like you don't think there is much we can do about it. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Aug 14 10:50:18 2006, in response to Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Canton Viaduct on Mon Aug 14 10:19:26 2006. Sucks, bud. Up until he put your camera in his pocket, he was just doing his job. After that it sounds like he put his personal spin on things. The wee hours are goofy, as far as encountering police goes.Anyway, keep taking pics. The majority of police aren't like him IME at least. Every now and then you run into someone with a chip. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 14 10:52:44 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Fred G on Mon Aug 14 10:50:18 2006. I disagree Fred. Jarid made it clear he didn't want to show ID, which he has the right to do, but then the policeman said "that I would have to produce ID because I had been 'pulled off a train.'" That is 100% a lie. Producing ID is voluntary, especially since there is no requirement to have to carry ID. |
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Posted by Canton Viaduct on Mon Aug 14 10:55:04 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Fred G on Mon Aug 14 10:50:18 2006. Thanks, Fred. I figured it was maybe alright for him to take me off the train and ask me questions (and like I said, if it wasn't his own doing, it was likely an order from above), but my level of anxiety went through the roof once he took my camera and put it in his pocket. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Aug 14 10:55:34 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 14 10:41:16 2006.   but it seems like you don't think there is much we can do about it. There is much that can be done about it. Still a visit with an officer is intimidating. He did the right thing. And actually so did the officer, who was responding to complaints about suspicious behavior. The officer had to respond to the complaint. He did so. He took down information, and decided that going further with you was not worth the effort. You were obviously a school kid with a camera and an interest in trains. He let you go with the advice not to frighten the other passengers. And *that* is the element that you cannot control: The reaction of the geese. You do have to live with that. I would not be furative in my taking pictures. But I would still take them. Did too infact. I took over 500 pictures while on vacation, mostly of subway subjects in NYC. No one ever stopped or questioned me. Subway employees were friendly with their waves. One touch, however, may help. I made a laminated badge, with my "Broadway Lion" on it. The one shown to the left in this post. I did that so that other subchatters might recognize me. You are not impersonating anybody by doing this, conventioneers wear badges all of the time. But berhaps it will calm the geese, and keep them from thinking evil of you. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Aug 14 10:58:17 2006, in response to Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Canton Viaduct on Mon Aug 14 10:19:26 2006. File a report with the CCRB right now. It's not just there for brutality. The NYCLU won't do jack unless they feel they can get some goos publicity from it. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 14 10:59:33 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Aug 14 10:55:34 2006. He took down information,Taking down that information from someone who is not suspected of committing an illegal act is totally voluntary. The officer made it seem mandatory. So no, the officer did not act correctly. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Aug 14 10:59:40 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 14 10:40:34 2006. If he asks for identification, I hand him a business card.If he needs more than that, he will ask for it. |
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Posted by Canton Viaduct on Mon Aug 14 11:00:03 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Aug 14 10:58:17 2006. I'm thinking about it (CCRB), but I didn't get his badge number. I only thought about it after the fact (as during the whole ordeal, I just wanted him to tell me to move on, which he finally did). |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Mon Aug 14 11:02:09 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 14 10:40:34 2006. Why even lie?>> You do not have to show him your photos. If he asks to see them at a very minimum tell him it is a new camera and you don't know how to review them yet.<< Be 100% honest all the time, this is one fault I find in your statement. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Aug 14 11:03:10 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 14 10:52:44 2006. Yeah, the ID production is a sticky thing. Technically, you don't have to show it, but in reality all cops ask for it and I'm sure are told to do so. It's a grey area, since not showing ID is standing up for your rights but invites more suspicion from the officer. It's really a personal call, like how much grief do you want to put up with for standing on principle for something that IMO is a minor indignity. I still say he was doing his job as IMO the directive from his superior is to ask for ID.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Aug 14 11:03:10 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Railman718 on Mon Aug 14 10:23:48 2006. The stupid donut-eater who tried to stop me at Broadway on the Astoria line in 2004 did the same FBI shit. I didn't stand for it. I even took issue with the cop when he saw the museum train coming and said it was then "OK" to photograph. Instead of snapping a pic, I asked the cop about how he could now allow me to photo, if it was "against the law" just a few seconds ago. I then insinuated that I didn't know cops could suspend and enforce laws at will. I don't reccommend this attitude, especially if you're a minority, to others in this situation. |
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Posted by Canton Viaduct on Mon Aug 14 11:03:34 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Mon Aug 14 11:02:09 2006. At least in my case, it wouldn't have been a lie. I've only the camera, albeit refurbished, for a week, and I'm still not sure how to fully operate it. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 14 11:04:39 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Aug 14 10:59:40 2006. Why hand him a business card? Why give him anything at all? Why risk getting your name added to some local or national or international law enforcement database which could cause you problems down the road? Additionally, the NJT Police have been known to broadcast SS#'s and other person info over the radio that anyone can hear.I'm all for a police officer responding to the public's complaints/worries and/or on his own checking out someone taking photos. But after he asks the photographer what he's doing and the photographer responds that he's a railfan taking photos of the subway legally, and the officer has no PROFF or "articulatable suspicion" of any illegal acts being done by the photographer, he should let him go at once. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Aug 14 11:05:05 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Canton Viaduct on Mon Aug 14 11:00:03 2006. You can report time and place in lieu of badge number.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 14 11:05:40 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Mon Aug 14 11:02:09 2006. You're right. You should just say "No, I do not wish to show you my photos. Am I free to go?" |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Mon Aug 14 11:05:59 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Canton Viaduct on Mon Aug 14 10:55:04 2006. It is standard procedure to remove people from the train when invesitigating a violation.If you have stuff on two seats, they will pull you off the train and then go through the rig-a-ma-roll before writing the summons. This is for protection of the officer (if he calls for help it is harder for them to get to a moving train). |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Aug 14 11:07:23 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 14 11:04:39 2006. It seems many people on here will talk a good game about standing up to a cop, but when it actually happens, they'll meekly comply. It's hard to be tough when the other guy has a gun and a uniform which gives him authority over you, even if he's wrong. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 14 11:09:31 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Fred G on Mon Aug 14 11:03:10 2006. It's not just standing on principle. Since the officer clearly can't hold him based on what he saw or what the passengers told him, refusing to show ID and asking to leave puts the officer on the spot to have to decide whether to arrest him or let him go. Since arresting him does not follow procedure for what he was doing, he'd be let go. If not, there'd be great grounds for a lawsuit that could possibly put an end to this sort of behavior (which luckily I have not experienced in a couple years from the NYPD, but have experienced last year from the MTA Police before that memo came out). |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Aug 14 11:09:37 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Aug 14 11:07:23 2006. Not that I'm a felon, but I've had some encounters with the law that make me relieved that it's only a drivers license he's asking for. It's all a matter of perspective I guess.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 14 11:11:23 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Aug 14 11:07:23 2006. I agree. And since I have learned this info about your rights, I have not had a chance to exercise them. And hopefully I won't. But I'm ready. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Aug 14 11:12:54 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Fred G on Mon Aug 14 11:09:37 2006. My best advice: Be polite, comply, but do not lie, and that includes lying about the cop being mistaken. Always tell the truth, even if the truth is that the cop has screwed up. |
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Posted by Canton Viaduct on Mon Aug 14 11:13:13 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Aug 14 11:07:23 2006. To be fair, if it happens again (especially while alone), I'd probably react in the same way -- nervous, shake, and do whatever he says. The last thing I want is to be detained or whatnot, even if what I've done is perfectly legal. If the police are going to pull paying customers off trains, there should be a standard protocol for all to follow. Basically, if you know what to expect, the situation (or "headache" as he called it) would move smoother. As Fred said, and I think he's right, once the officer placed my camera in his pocket, he was adding a personal spin to the situation.I really hope they don't enter all of the information into some database now. I wouldn't understand the reasoning, unless they're compiling a mass list of photo hobbyists or something. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Aug 14 11:14:29 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 14 11:11:23 2006. Don't be confrontational. Cops are human, and quite a few are complete assholes when on the clock. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 14 11:14:52 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Canton Viaduct on Mon Aug 14 11:13:13 2006. The reasoning is that "they can," since you volunteered the info. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Aug 14 11:15:08 2006, in response to Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Canton Viaduct on Mon Aug 14 10:19:26 2006. I hate to say this, but although I'm sorry you had to go through this experience, the cop was doing his job. You may know who you are, but the cop didn't and given today's atmosphere, he could not take the chance that you were harmless.If that had happened to me, I probably would have thanked the cop for being diligent and keeping his eyes open. Its good to know the cops are watching because that tells potential terrorists that they could get caught at any time. Again, I'm not saying you deserved what you got. You didn't. But I am saying that the cop was doing his job and protecting the public's interests. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 14 11:15:32 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Aug 14 11:14:29 2006. I wouldn't be. I would do as I outlined in my first response to Jarid. |
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Posted by Canton Viaduct on Mon Aug 14 11:17:10 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 14 11:14:52 2006. Not completely. I was told to give the information after stating multpile times that I did not feel comfortable doing so, with the response being "because I pulled you off the train." Though I wasn't prepared to hear his response should I have declined to provide him with the information. If there is such a list, so to speak, I'm hoping the NYCLU can provide me with more specifics. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 14 11:17:40 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Aug 14 11:15:08 2006. the cop was doing his jobHave you read anything I've said??? He was only doing his job until he demanded that Jarid produce ID, even after Jarid said he did not wish to. That is 100% illegal. And everything the officer did after that was also improper, including bringing the FBI up and making Jarid show him his photos and explain why he was taking certain photos. |
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Posted by Clayton on Mon Aug 14 11:20:35 2006, in response to Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Canton Viaduct on Mon Aug 14 10:19:26 2006. What a joke...what a joke. "Security" is a big fat joke! |
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Posted by Canton Viaduct on Mon Aug 14 11:20:48 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Aug 14 11:15:08 2006. Mitch, I think he stopped doing his job after he asked me multiple times why I was taking photos of the system (and not just photos, but videos, which I was not). After my simple, honest answer, complete with website URLs, he then took (and pocketed) my camera and at another point asked me to run through the photos with him (first telling me that he'd operate it).At the same time, I don't believe there was any fault with him asking me to come off the train. I'm guessing, and as others have indicated, it's standard procedure. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Aug 14 11:25:03 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 14 11:17:40 2006. How is asking for ID, 100 illegal?The cop asked for ID, that is standard procedure. The cop asked questions, that is standard procedure. The cop acknowledged to Jared that photography is legal, that is standard procedure. The cop entered Jared's information into a database, believe it or not that is also standard procedure. The cop did not confiscate the camera, told him no picture/video taking, or even talked about giving a summons or arresting him. Except the fact that the officer should have made Jared a bit more comfortable during questioning, I think the officer did everything right in protecting our subway system. |
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Posted by Canton Viaduct on Mon Aug 14 11:25:56 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Aug 14 11:25:03 2006. So there is a database? |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Mon Aug 14 11:26:35 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Canton Viaduct on Mon Aug 14 11:00:03 2006. Report time and place, the cop has to make a record of the stop since he took your ID. Cops also log where they are in the system. They get employee ID numbers and write them down with date time and place just to prove where they were in their log book as well as motor numbers. |
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Posted by Canton Viaduct on Mon Aug 14 11:28:00 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Mon Aug 14 11:26:35 2006. Thanks. I'll look into it as soon as I run a few things by the NYCLU. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 14 11:29:59 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Aug 14 11:25:03 2006. How is asking for ID, 100 illegal?He demanded it even after Jarid said he didn't feel comfortable giving in. He has no right to demand it. The cop asked for ID, that is standard procedure. He demanded it. The cop did not confiscate the camera, told him no picture/video taking The cop took the camera from Jarid and put it in his pocket. He told him that he was taking photos of sensitive areas (a lie). He certainly implied that it is not a good idea to be doing it (a lie). Finally, he told Jarid to put the camera in his pocket and get on the next train. He essentially told him to put away the camera and not to take any more photos. |
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Posted by Neil Feldman on Mon Aug 14 11:31:42 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 14 10:40:34 2006. I totally agree here. If a cop approached me, I'd give the action as well. If the cop let me go however, I would kindly of asked him for his name and badge number, and also the number of his supervisor, and called it in as well as contacting the NYCLU. I would kindly explain to him that I would understand the situations with the terrorist activities going on, however the actions he did is totally wrong. |
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Posted by JohnL on Mon Aug 14 11:32:15 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 14 10:40:34 2006. I agree. I would do one more thing:I would ask the cop for his badge number, last name and precinct/etc. Ie enough professional identification so that I could file a complaint. I wouldn’t tell the cop that I was going to file the complaint. I would then continue to take photographs. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Aug 14 11:32:39 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Canton Viaduct on Mon Aug 14 11:25:56 2006. Yes, but if anything you will be placed on the very bottom rung of the ladder, so to speak.They may investigate your background, see about your schooling and maybe write you off (hopefully!) |
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Posted by Canton Viaduct on Mon Aug 14 11:36:26 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Aug 14 11:32:39 2006. Um. That makes me feel very uncomfortable, especially if it comes up at any point in the future. Any idea who I should contact to make sure that I am written off? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 14 11:38:14 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by JohnL on Mon Aug 14 11:32:15 2006. I would only ask for the badge number if the cop did something wrong. Following my 4 steps, if he let me go after I asked to be let go, then he did nothing wrong and I applaud him for keeping a vigilant eye over the subway. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 14 11:39:22 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Aug 14 11:32:39 2006. Yes, but if anything you will be placed on the very bottom rung of the ladder, so to speak.They may investigate your background, see about your schooling and maybe write you off (hopefully!) Why would you risk that by voluntarily providing your info to the police officer? |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Aug 14 11:44:11 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 14 11:39:22 2006. I would rather give my information (except my SS #, of course) in a truthful and open manner, all in the interest of security.Anyone who refuses ID or does not give out information when requested, will (in the eyes of the NYPD) be viewed as a suspicious person. They can ask me for information but they won't tell me that picture taking is not allowed. I've had enough at Smith-9th st while waiting for the Low-V train to pass (the asshole officer didn't even apologize to me, Fred G., or whoever else weas there, after they found out and saw the train pass). |
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Posted by Canton Viaduct on Mon Aug 14 11:44:44 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Aug 14 11:44:11 2006. My SS# is on my ID. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 14 11:50:06 2006, in response to Re: Removed from a train by the NYPD this morning, posted by Canton Viaduct on Mon Aug 14 11:44:44 2006. Thank you. |
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