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Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 18 20:22:11 2006, in response to Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long), posted by Easy on Sat Mar 18 20:02:12 2006. Fight it, if you have the will to see it thru. |
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Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Mar 18 20:24:49 2006, in response to Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long), posted by Easy on Sat Mar 18 20:02:12 2006. SHIT, MAN. You did good, but that sucks. Yes, fight it. |
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Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long) |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Mar 18 20:27:33 2006, in response to Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long), posted by Easy on Sat Mar 18 20:02:12 2006. I likely will at least contest it in court. I don't feel like I did anything wrong. I once fought a traffic ticket and won, so maybe I'm overly optimistic :)I wish that I knew more about the infraction that they cited. If that really is for failure to produce identification or some such sort, then fighting it might be a waste of time. I never really refused, but he did ask more than once and I didn't offer it. |
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Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long) |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Mar 18 20:30:02 2006, in response to Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long), posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Mar 18 20:24:49 2006. I'm not really worried about the summons or even the money. What really bugs me is that I'm on the terrorism list. Like a terrorist couldn't download similar pictures from the internet. Hell, the LACMTA even has a subway tour on their website! |
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Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long) |
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Posted by R40slantontheB on Sat Mar 18 20:30:30 2006, in response to Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long), posted by Easy on Sat Mar 18 20:27:33 2006. You really need to start getting some media attention on this. I think a lawsuit for unlawful detention and search is warrented. Good luck! |
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Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long) |
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Posted by Henri G on Sat Mar 18 20:40:10 2006, in response to Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long), posted by Easy on Sat Mar 18 20:27:33 2006. I must be lucky. I have taken photos in plain sight of police at various locations: Blue Line terminal at 7th & Flower, Union Station, Gold Line, Green Line (I reside nearby in Manhattan Beach), Metrolink, railfan window at rear of train in pull operation also various other locations too many to mention. I have never been asked for ID in L.A. Should I be asked, I would quickly pull it out and hand it over. As far handing over camera and flas card, I would be a little more hesitant |
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Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long) |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Mar 18 20:53:01 2006, in response to Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long), posted by Easy on Sat Mar 18 20:02:12 2006. Well actually, they missed something:Photo ID is not required to ride the subway. If you did not have ID on you, you could have said "I don't have ID on me," and you would have done nothing wrong. The supervisor correctly pegged you as a railbuff and gave you your camera back. I think if you take your summons to court it will be dismissed. As to whether or not your name should be on the list, consult an attorney. |
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Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long) |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Mar 18 20:58:02 2006, in response to Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long), posted by Henri G on Sat Mar 18 20:40:10 2006. "Should I be asked, I would quickly pull it out and hand it over."Then you would be on the anti-terrorism list as well. I am, but with more hassle. I can't really say right now if I would do it differently. The whole list thing really bothers me. I didn't hand over any equipment. Once the handcuffs were on they did as they pleased. They retrieved my ID and looked for my ticket. My silence was from that point was encouraged. I asked a few questions and they explained their point of view (which I can appreciate BTW). When I was able to logically contradict their responses they would tell me to be quiet. |
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Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long) |
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Posted by BIE on Sat Mar 18 20:59:59 2006, in response to Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long), posted by Easy on Sat Mar 18 20:02:12 2006. Contact your local ACLU HEROES Their Public Protection Court Officers Know how to deal with gutless pig slime who shit on the Constitution. Good Police Officers know that they are SERVANTS to the Constitution. |
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Re: NOW DOES EVERBODY SEE WHAT I WAS SAYING !! |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Mar 18 21:00:27 2006, in response to Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long), posted by Easy on Sat Mar 18 20:02:12 2006. the same F-- ting happened to me !!they are wrong the court will throw your charges out when do you go to court ? |
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Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long) |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Mar 18 21:00:35 2006, in response to Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long), posted by Easy on Sat Mar 18 20:02:12 2006. the same F-- ting happened to me !!they are wrong the court will throw your charges out when do you go to court ? |
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Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Mar 18 21:01:24 2006, in response to Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long), posted by Easy on Sat Mar 18 20:30:02 2006. That deputy was an asshole on a power trip, plain and simple. He should be dragged out in the street and beaten. |
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Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long) |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Mar 18 21:02:48 2006, in response to Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long), posted by Easy on Sat Mar 18 20:02:12 2006. I AM REALLY SORRY THEY DID THIS TO YOU THE DAMMED GESTAPOS !!I HOPE YOU ARE DOING WELL AFTER THIS OUTRAGE !! DAMMN GESTAPOS / NAZI / BASTARDS !! please call me 1 626 794 4503 ask for salaam allah may i talk to you on the phone ? if i am out leave your number can i call you back ?? |
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Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long) |
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Posted by BIE on Sat Mar 18 21:03:55 2006, in response to Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 18 20:22:11 2006. I hope that once we get our country back from you nazis that a whole generation of Public Protection Court Officers (trial lawyers, Our best and brightest) get rich by suing the crap out of the fascists who are keeping these illegal lists. |
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Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long) |
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Posted by BIE on Sat Mar 18 21:05:32 2006, in response to Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long), posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Mar 18 21:01:24 2006. Watch out -- Look at what happened on My Face.com |
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Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff a& added to the LA terrorism list California code640 |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Mar 18 21:12:38 2006, in response to Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long), posted by Easy on Sat Mar 18 20:02:12 2006. 640. (a) Any of the acts described in subdivision (b) is an infraction punishable by a fine not to exceed two hundred fifty dollars ($250) and by community service for a total time not to exceed 48 hours over a period not to exceed 30 days, during a time other than during his or her hours of school attendance or employment, when committed on or in any of the following: (1) Any facility or vehicle of a public transportation system as defined by Section 99211 of the Public Utilities Code. (2) Any facility of, or vehicle operated by any entity subsidized by, the Department of Transportation. (3) Any leased or rented facility or vehicle for which any of the entities described in paragraph (1) or (2) incur costs of cleanup, repair, or replacement as a result of any of those acts. (b) (1) Evasion of the payment of any fare of the system. (2) Misuse of any transfer, pass, ticket, or token with the intent to evade the payment of any fare. (3) Playing sound equipment on or in any system facility or vehicle. (4) Smoking, eating, or drinking in or on any system facility or vehicle in those areas where those activities are prohibited by that system. (5) Expectorating upon any system facility or vehicle. (6) Willfully disturbing others on or in any system facility or vehicle by engaging in boisterous or unruly behavior. (7) Carrying any explosive or acid, flammable liquid, or toxic or hazardous material in any public transit facility or vehicle. (8) Urinating or defecating in any system facility or vehicle, except in a lavatory. However, this paragraph shall not apply to any person who cannot comply with this paragraph as a result of a disability, age, or a medical condition. (9) (A) Willfully blocking the free movement of another person in any system facility or vehicle. (B) This paragraph (9) shall not be interpreted to affect any lawful activities permitted or first amendment rights protected under the laws of this state or applicable federal law, including, but not limited to, laws related to collective bargaining, labor relations, or labor disputes. (10) Skateboarding, roller skating, bicycle riding, or roller blading in any system facility, vehicle, or parking structure. This paragraph does not apply to any activity that is necessary for utilization of the transit facility by a bicyclist, including, but not limited to, any activity that is necessary for parking a bicycle or transporting a bicycle aboard a transit vehicle, if that activity is conducted with the permission of the transit agency in a manner that does not interfere with the safety of the bicyclist or other patrons of the transit facility. (11) (A) Unauthorized use of a discount ticket or failure to present, upon request from a transit system representative, acceptable proof of eligibility to use a discount ticket, in accordance with Section 99155 of the Public Utilities Code and posted system identification policies when entering or exiting a transit station or vehicle. Acceptable proof of eligibility must be clearly defined in the posting. (B) In the event that an eligible discount ticket user is not in possession of acceptable proof at the time of request, any citation issued shall be held for a period of 72 hours to allow the user to produce acceptable proof. If the proof is provided, the citation shall be voided. If the proof is not produced within that time period, the citation shall be processed. 640.2. (a) Any person who stamps, prints, places, or inserts any writing in or on any product or box, package, or other container containing a consumer product offered for sale is guilty of a misdemeanor. (b) This section does not apply if the owner or manager of the premises where the product is stored or sold, or his or her designee, or the product manufacturer or authorized distributor or retailer of the product consents to the placing or inserting of the writing. (c) As used in this section, "writing" means any form of representation or communication, including handbills, notices, or advertising, that contains letters, words, or pictorial representations. 640.5. (a) (1) Any person who defaces with graffiti or other inscribed material the interior or exterior of the facilities or vehicles of a governmental entity, as defined by Section 811.2 of the Government Code, or the interior or exterior of the facilities or vehicles of a public transportation system as defined by Section 99211 of the Public Utilities Code, or the interior or exterior of the facilities of or vehicles operated by entities subsidized by the Department of Transportation or the interior or exterior of any leased or rented facilities or vehicles for which any of the above entities incur costs of less than two hundred fifty dollars ($250) for cleanup, repair, or replacement is guilty of an infraction, punishable by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000) and by a minimum of 48 hours of community service for a total time not to exceed 200 hours over a period not to exceed 180 days, during a time other than his or her hours of school attendance or employment. This subdivision does not preclude application of Section 594. (2) In lieu of the community service required pursuant to paragraph (1), the court may, if a jurisdiction has adopted a graffiti abatement program as defined in subdivision (f) of Section 594, order the defendant, and his or her parents or guardians if the defendant is a minor, to keep a specified property in the community free of graffiti for 90 days. Participation of a parent or guardian is not required under this paragraph if the court deems this participation to be detrimental to the defendant, or if the parent or guardian is a single parent who must care for young children. (b) (1) If the person has been convicted previously of an infraction under subdivision (a) or has a prior conviction of Section 594, 594.3, 594.4, 640.6, or 640.7, the offense is a misdemeanor, punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed six months, by a fine not to exceed two thousand dollars ($2,000), or by both that imprisonment and fine. As a condition of probation, the court shall order the defendant to perform a minimum of 96 hours of community service not to exceed 400 hours over a period not to exceed 350 days during a time other than his or her hours of school attendance or employment. (2) In lieu of the community service required pursuant to paragraph (1), the court may, if a jurisdiction has adopted a graffiti abatement program as defined in subdivision (f) of Section 594, order the defendant, and his or her parents or guardians if the defendant is a minor, as a condition of probation, to keep a specified property in the community free of graffiti for 180 days. Participation of a parent or guardian is not required under this paragraph if the court deems this participation to be detrimental to the defendant, or if the parent or guardian is a single parent who must care for young children. (c) (1) Every person who, having been convicted previously under this section or Section 594, 594.3, 594.4, 640.6, or 640.7, or any combination of these offenses, on two separate occasions, and having been incarcerated pursuant to a sentence, a conditional sentence, or a grant of probation for at least one of the convictions, is subsequently convicted under this section, shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed one year, by a fine not to exceed three thousand dollars ($3,000), or by both that imprisonment and fine. As a condition of probation, the court may order the defendant to perform community service not to exceed 600 hours over a period not to exceed 480 days during a time other than his or her hours of school attendance or employment. (2) In lieu of the community service that may be ordered pursuant to paragraph (1), the court may, if a jurisdiction has adopted a graffiti abatement program as defined in subdivision (f) of Section 594, order the defendant, and his or her parents or guardians if the defendant is a minor, as a condition of probation, to keep a specified property in the community free of graffiti for 240 days. Participation of a parent or guardian is not required under this paragraph if the court deems this participation to be detrimental to the defendant, or if the parent or guardian is a single parent who must care for young children. (d) (1) Upon conviction of any person under subdivision (a), the court, in addition to any punishment imposed pursuant to subdivision (a), (b), or (c), at the victim's option, may order the defendant to perform the necessary labor to clean up, repair, or replace the property damaged by that person. (2) If a minor is personally unable to pay any fine levied for violating subdivision (a), (b), or (c), the parent or legal guardian of the minor shall be liable for payment of the fine. A court may waive payment of the fine or any part thereof by the parent or legal guardian upon a finding of good cause. (e) Any fine levied for a violation of subdivision (a), (b), or (c) shall be credited by the county treasurer pursuant to Section 1463.29 to the governmental entity having jurisdiction over, or responsibility for, the facility or vehicle involved, to be used for removal of the graffiti or other inscribed material or replacement or repair of the property defaced by the graffiti or other inscribed material. Before crediting these fines to the appropriate governmental entity, the county may determine the administrative costs it has incurred pursuant to this section, and retain an amount equal to those costs. Any community service which is required pursuant to subdivision (a), (b), or (c) of a person under the age of 18 years may be performed in the presence, and under the direct supervision, of the person's parent or legal guardian. (f) As used in this section, the term "graffiti or other inscribed material" includes any unauthorized inscription, word, figure, mark, or design that is written, marked, etched, scratched, drawn, or painted on real or personal property. (g) The court may order any person ordered to perform community service or graffiti removal pursuant to subdivision (a), (b), (c), or (d) to undergo counseling. 640.6. (a) (1) Except as provided in Section 640.5, any person who defaces with graffiti or other inscribed material any real or personal property not his or her own, when the amount of the defacement, damage, or destruction is less than two hundred fifty dollars ($250), is guilty of an infraction, punishable by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000). This subdivision does not preclude application of Section 594. In addition to the penalty set forth in this section, the court shall order the defendant to perform a minimum of 48 hours of community service not to exceed 200 hours over a period not to exceed 180 days during a time other than his or her hours of school attendance or employment. (2) In lieu of the community service required pursuant to paragraph (1), the court may, if a jurisdiction has adopted a graffiti abatement program as defined in subdivision (f) of Section 594, order the defendant, and his or her parents or guardians if the defendant is a minor, to keep a specified property in the community free of graffiti for 90 days. Participation of a parent or guardian is not required under this paragraph if the court deems this participation to be detrimental to the defendant, or if the parent or guardian is a single parent who must care for young children. (b) (1) If the person has been convicted previously of an infraction under subdivision (a) or has a prior conviction of Section 594, 594.3, 594.4, 640.5, or 640.7, the offense is a misdemeanor, punishable by not to exceed six months in a county jail, by a fine not to exceed two thousand dollars ($2,000), or by both that imprisonment and fine. As a condition of probation, the court shall order the defendant to perform a minimum of 96 hours of community service not to exceed 400 hours over a period not to exceed 350 days during a time other than his or her hours of school attendance or employment. (2) In lieu of the community service required pursuant to paragraph (1), the court may, if a jurisdiction has adopted a graffiti abatement program as defined in subdivision (f) of Section 594, order the defendant, and his or her parents or guardians if the defendant is a minor, as a condition of probation, to keep a specified property in the community free of graffiti for 180 days. Participation of a parent or guardian is not required under this paragraph if the court deems this participation to be detrimental to the defendant, or if the parent or guardian is a single parent who must care for young children. (c) (1) Every person who, having been convicted previously under this section or Section 594, 594.3, 594.4, 640.5, or 640.7, or any combination of these offenses, on two separate occasions, and having been incarcerated pursuant to a sentence, a conditional sentence, or a grant of probation for at least one of the convictions, is subsequently convicted under this section, shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed one year, by a fine not to exceed three thousand dollars ($3,000), or by both that imprisonment and fine. As a condition of probation, the court may order the defendant to perform community service not to exceed 600 hours over a period not to exceed 480 days during a time other than his or her hours of school attendance or employment. (2) In lieu of the community service that may be ordered pursuant to paragraph (1), the court may, if a jurisdiction has adopted a graffiti abatement program as defined in subdivision (f) of Section 594, order the defendant, and his or her parents or guardians if the defendant is a minor, as a condition of probation, to keep a specified property in the community free of graffiti for 240 days. Participation of a parent or guardian is not required under this paragraph if the court deems this participation to be detrimental to the defendant, or if the parent or guardian is a single parent who must care for young children. (d) Upon conviction of any person under subdivision (a), the court, in addition to any punishment imposed pursuant to subdivision (a), (b), or (c), at the victim's option, may order the defendant to perform the necessary labor to clean up, repair, or replace the property damaged by that person. (e) If a minor is personally unable to pay any fine levied for violating subdivision (a), (b), or (c), the parent or legal guardian of the minor shall be liable for payment of the fine. A court may waive payment of the fine or any part thereof by the parent or legal guardian upon a finding of good cause. Any community service which is required pursuant to subdivision (a), (b), or (c) of a person under the age of 18 years may be performed in the presence, and under the direct supervision, of the person's parent or legal guardian. (f) As used in this section, the term "graffiti or other inscribed material" includes any unauthorized inscription, word, figure, mark, or design that is written, marked, etched, scratched, drawn, or painted on real or personal property. (g) The court may order any person ordered to perform community service or graffiti removal pursuant to subdivision (a), (b), (c), or (d) to undergo counseling. 640.7. Any person who violates Section 594, 640.5, or 640.6 on or within 100 feet of a highway, or its appurtenances, including, but not limited to, guardrails, signs, traffic signals, snow poles, and similar facilities, excluding signs naming streets, is guilty of a misdemeanor, punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding six months, or by a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both that imprisonment and fine. A second conviction is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year, or by a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both that imprisonment and fine. 640.8. Any person who violates Section 594, 640.5, or 640.6, on a freeway, or its appurtenances, including sound walls, overpasses, overpass supports, guardrails, signs, signals, and other traffic control devices, is guilty of a misdemeanor, punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed one year, by a fine not to exceed five thousand dollars ($5,000), or by both that imprisonment and fine. As a condition of probation, the court may order the defendant to perform community service not to exceed 480 hours over a period not to exceed 420 days during a time other than his or her hours of school attendance or employment. 640a. 1. Any person who shall knowingly and wilfully operate, or cause to be operated, or who shall attempt to operate, or attempt to cause to be operated, any automatic vending machine, slot machine or other receptacle designed to receive lawful coin of the United States of America in connection with the sale, use or enjoyment of property or service, by means of a slug or any false, counterfeited, mutilated, sweated or foreign coin, or by any means, method, trick or device whatsoever not lawfully authorized by the owner, lessee or licensee of such machine or receptacle, or who shall take, obtain or receive from or in connection with any automatic vending machine, slot machine or other receptacle designed to receive lawful coin of the United States of America in connection with the sale, use or enjoyment of property or service, any goods, wares, merchandise, gas, electric current, article of value, or the use or enjoyment of any musical instrument, phonograph or other property, without depositing in and surrendering to such machine or receptacle lawful coin of the United States of America to the amount required therefor by the owner, lessee or licensee of such machine or receptacle shall be guilty of a misdemeanor. 2. Any person who, with intent to cheat or defraud the owner, lessee, licensee or other person entitled to the contents of any automatic vending machine, slot machine or other receptacle, depository or contrivance designed to receive lawful coin of the United States of America in connection with the sale, use or enjoyment of property or service, or who, knowing or having cause to believe that the same is intended for unlawful use, shall manufacture for sale, or sell or give away any slug, device or substance whatsoever intended or calculated to be placed or deposited in any such automatic vending machine, slot machine or other such receptacle, depository or contrivance, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor. 640b. 1. Any person who knowingly, wilfully and with intent to defraud the owner, lessee or licensee of any coin-box telephone, shall operate or cause to be operated, attempt to operate, or attempt to cause to be operated, any coin-box telephone by means of any slug or any false, counterfeited, mutilated, sweated or foreign coin, or by any means, method, trick or device whatsoever not lawfully authorized by such owner, lessee or licensee, or any person who, knowingly, wilfully and with intent to defraud the owner, lessee or licensee of any coin-box telephone, shall take, obtain or receive from or in connection with any such coin-box telephone, the use or enjoyment of any telephone or telegraph facilities or service, without depositing in or surrendering to such coin-box telephone lawful coin of the United States of America to the amount required therefor by such owner, lessee or licensee, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor. 2. Any person who, with the intent to cheat or defraud the owner, lessee or licensee or other person entitled to the contents of any coin-box telephone, or who, knowing or having cause to believe that the same is intended for unlawful use, shall manufacture for sale, or sell or give away any slug, device or substance whatsoever intended or calculated to be placed or deposited in any such coin-box telephone, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor. |
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Re: to 'easy'-Today I got a summons California Penal Code 640 LONG TEXT |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Mar 18 21:14:06 2006, in response to Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long), posted by Easy on Sat Mar 18 20:02:12 2006. 640. (a) Any of the acts described in subdivision (b) is an infraction punishable by a fine not to exceed two hundred fifty dollars ($250) and by community service for a total time not to exceed 48 hours over a period not to exceed 30 days, during a time other than during his or her hours of school attendance or employment, when committed on or in any of the following: (1) Any facility or vehicle of a public transportation system as defined by Section 99211 of the Public Utilities Code. (2) Any facility of, or vehicle operated by any entity subsidized by, the Department of Transportation. (3) Any leased or rented facility or vehicle for which any of the entities described in paragraph (1) or (2) incur costs of cleanup, repair, or replacement as a result of any of those acts. (b) (1) Evasion of the payment of any fare of the system. (2) Misuse of any transfer, pass, ticket, or token with the intent to evade the payment of any fare. (3) Playing sound equipment on or in any system facility or vehicle. (4) Smoking, eating, or drinking in or on any system facility or vehicle in those areas where those activities are prohibited by that system. (5) Expectorating upon any system facility or vehicle. (6) Willfully disturbing others on or in any system facility or vehicle by engaging in boisterous or unruly behavior. (7) Carrying any explosive or acid, flammable liquid, or toxic or hazardous material in any public transit facility or vehicle. (8) Urinating or defecating in any system facility or vehicle, except in a lavatory. However, this paragraph shall not apply to any person who cannot comply with this paragraph as a result of a disability, age, or a medical condition. (9) (A) Willfully blocking the free movement of another person in any system facility or vehicle. (B) This paragraph (9) shall not be interpreted to affect any lawful activities permitted or first amendment rights protected under the laws of this state or applicable federal law, including, but not limited to, laws related to collective bargaining, labor relations, or labor disputes. (10) Skateboarding, roller skating, bicycle riding, or roller blading in any system facility, vehicle, or parking structure. This paragraph does not apply to any activity that is necessary for utilization of the transit facility by a bicyclist, including, but not limited to, any activity that is necessary for parking a bicycle or transporting a bicycle aboard a transit vehicle, if that activity is conducted with the permission of the transit agency in a manner that does not interfere with the safety of the bicyclist or other patrons of the transit facility. (11) (A) Unauthorized use of a discount ticket or failure to present, upon request from a transit system representative, acceptable proof of eligibility to use a discount ticket, in accordance with Section 99155 of the Public Utilities Code and posted system identification policies when entering or exiting a transit station or vehicle. Acceptable proof of eligibility must be clearly defined in the posting. (B) In the event that an eligible discount ticket user is not in possession of acceptable proof at the time of request, any citation issued shall be held for a period of 72 hours to allow the user to produce acceptable proof. If the proof is provided, the citation shall be voided. If the proof is not produced within that time period, the citation shall be processed. 640.2. (a) Any person who stamps, prints, places, or inserts any writing in or on any product or box, package, or other container containing a consumer product offered for sale is guilty of a misdemeanor. (b) This section does not apply if the owner or manager of the premises where the product is stored or sold, or his or her designee, or the product manufacturer or authorized distributor or retailer of the product consents to the placing or inserting of the writing. (c) As used in this section, "writing" means any form of representation or communication, including handbills, notices, or advertising, that contains letters, words, or pictorial representations. 640.5. (a) (1) Any person who defaces with graffiti or other inscribed material the interior or exterior of the facilities or vehicles of a governmental entity, as defined by Section 811.2 of the Government Code, or the interior or exterior of the facilities or vehicles of a public transportation system as defined by Section 99211 of the Public Utilities Code, or the interior or exterior of the facilities of or vehicles operated by entities subsidized by the Department of Transportation or the interior or exterior of any leased or rented facilities or vehicles for which any of the above entities incur costs of less than two hundred fifty dollars ($250) for cleanup, repair, or replacement is guilty of an infraction, punishable by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000) and by a minimum of 48 hours of community service for a total time not to exceed 200 hours over a period not to exceed 180 days, during a time other than his or her hours of school attendance or employment. This subdivision does not preclude application of Section 594. (2) In lieu of the community service required pursuant to paragraph (1), the court may, if a jurisdiction has adopted a graffiti abatement program as defined in subdivision (f) of Section 594, order the defendant, and his or her parents or guardians if the defendant is a minor, to keep a specified property in the community free of graffiti for 90 days. Participation of a parent or guardian is not required under this paragraph if the court deems this participation to be detrimental to the defendant, or if the parent or guardian is a single parent who must care for young children. (b) (1) If the person has been convicted previously of an infraction under subdivision (a) or has a prior conviction of Section 594, 594.3, 594.4, 640.6, or 640.7, the offense is a misdemeanor, punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed six months, by a fine not to exceed two thousand dollars ($2,000), or by both that imprisonment and fine. As a condition of probation, the court shall order the defendant to perform a minimum of 96 hours of community service not to exceed 400 hours over a period not to exceed 350 days during a time other than his or her hours of school attendance or employment. (2) In lieu of the community service required pursuant to paragraph (1), the court may, if a jurisdiction has adopted a graffiti abatement program as defined in subdivision (f) of Section 594, order the defendant, and his or her parents or guardians if the defendant is a minor, as a condition of probation, to keep a specified property in the community free of graffiti for 180 days. Participation of a parent or guardian is not required under this paragraph if the court deems this participation to be detrimental to the defendant, or if the parent or guardian is a single parent who must care for young children. (c) (1) Every person who, having been convicted previously under this section or Section 594, 594.3, 594.4, 640.6, or 640.7, or any combination of these offenses, on two separate occasions, and having been incarcerated pursuant to a sentence, a conditional sentence, or a grant of probation for at least one of the convictions, is subsequently convicted under this section, shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed one year, by a fine not to exceed three thousand dollars ($3,000), or by both that imprisonment and fine. As a condition of probation, the court may order the defendant to perform community service not to exceed 600 hours over a period not to exceed 480 days during a time other than his or her hours of school attendance or employment. (2) In lieu of the community service that may be ordered pursuant to paragraph (1), the court may, if a jurisdiction has adopted a graffiti abatement program as defined in subdivision (f) of Section 594, order the defendant, and his or her parents or guardians if the defendant is a minor, as a condition of probation, to keep a specified property in the community free of graffiti for 240 days. Participation of a parent or guardian is not required under this paragraph if the court deems this participation to be detrimental to the defendant, or if the parent or guardian is a single parent who must care for young children. (d) (1) Upon conviction of any person under subdivision (a), the court, in addition to any punishment imposed pursuant to subdivision (a), (b), or (c), at the victim's option, may order the defendant to perform the necessary labor to clean up, repair, or replace the property damaged by that person. (2) If a minor is personally unable to pay any fine levied for violating subdivision (a), (b), or (c), the parent or legal guardian of the minor shall be liable for payment of the fine. A court may waive payment of the fine or any part thereof by the parent or legal guardian upon a finding of good cause. (e) Any fine levied for a violation of subdivision (a), (b), or (c) shall be credited by the county treasurer pursuant to Section 1463.29 to the governmental entity having jurisdiction over, or responsibility for, the facility or vehicle involved, to be used for removal of the graffiti or other inscribed material or replacement or repair of the property defaced by the graffiti or other inscribed material. Before crediting these fines to the appropriate governmental entity, the county may determine the administrative costs it has incurred pursuant to this section, and retain an amount equal to those costs. Any community service which is required pursuant to subdivision (a), (b), or (c) of a person under the age of 18 years may be performed in the presence, and under the direct supervision, of the person's parent or legal guardian. (f) As used in this section, the term "graffiti or other inscribed material" includes any unauthorized inscription, word, figure, mark, or design that is written, marked, etched, scratched, drawn, or painted on real or personal property. (g) The court may order any person ordered to perform community service or graffiti removal pursuant to subdivision (a), (b), (c), or (d) to undergo counseling. 640.6. (a) (1) Except as provided in Section 640.5, any person who defaces with graffiti or other inscribed material any real or personal property not his or her own, when the amount of the defacement, damage, or destruction is less than two hundred fifty dollars ($250), is guilty of an infraction, punishable by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000). This subdivision does not preclude application of Section 594. In addition to the penalty set forth in this section, the court shall order the defendant to perform a minimum of 48 hours of community service not to exceed 200 hours over a period not to exceed 180 days during a time other than his or her hours of school attendance or employment. (2) In lieu of the community service required pursuant to paragraph (1), the court may, if a jurisdiction has adopted a graffiti abatement program as defined in subdivision (f) of Section 594, order the defendant, and his or her parents or guardians if the defendant is a minor, to keep a specified property in the community free of graffiti for 90 days. Participation of a parent or guardian is not required under this paragraph if the court deems this participation to be detrimental to the defendant, or if the parent or guardian is a single parent who must care for young children. (b) (1) If the person has been convicted previously of an infraction under subdivision (a) or has a prior conviction of Section 594, 594.3, 594.4, 640.5, or 640.7, the offense is a misdemeanor, punishable by not to exceed six months in a county jail, by a fine not to exceed two thousand dollars ($2,000), or by both that imprisonment and fine. As a condition of probation, the court shall order the defendant to perform a minimum of 96 hours of community service not to exceed 400 hours over a period not to exceed 350 days during a time other than his or her hours of school attendance or employment. (2) In lieu of the community service required pursuant to paragraph (1), the court may, if a jurisdiction has adopted a graffiti abatement program as defined in subdivision (f) of Section 594, order the defendant, and his or her parents or guardians if the defendant is a minor, as a condition of probation, to keep a specified property in the community free of graffiti for 180 days. Participation of a parent or guardian is not required under this paragraph if the court deems this participation to be detrimental to the defendant, or if the parent or guardian is a single parent who must care for young children. (c) (1) Every person who, having been convicted previously under this section or Section 594, 594.3, 594.4, 640.5, or 640.7, or any combination of these offenses, on two separate occasions, and having been incarcerated pursuant to a sentence, a conditional sentence, or a grant of probation for at least one of the convictions, is subsequently convicted under this section, shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed one year, by a fine not to exceed three thousand dollars ($3,000), or by both that imprisonment and fine. As a condition of probation, the court may order the defendant to perform community service not to exceed 600 hours over a period not to exceed 480 days during a time other than his or her hours of school attendance or employment. (2) In lieu of the community service that may be ordered pursuant to paragraph (1), the court may, if a jurisdiction has adopted a graffiti abatement program as defined in subdivision (f) of Section 594, order the defendant, and his or her parents or guardians if the defendant is a minor, as a condition of probation, to keep a specified property in the community free of graffiti for 240 days. Participation of a parent or guardian is not required under this paragraph if the court deems this participation to be detrimental to the defendant, or if the parent or guardian is a single parent who must care for young children. (d) Upon conviction of any person under subdivision (a), the court, in addition to any punishment imposed pursuant to subdivision (a), (b), or (c), at the victim's option, may order the defendant to perform the necessary labor to clean up, repair, or replace the property damaged by that person. (e) If a minor is personally unable to pay any fine levied for violating subdivision (a), (b), or (c), the parent or legal guardian of the minor shall be liable for payment of the fine. A court may waive payment of the fine or any part thereof by the parent or legal guardian upon a finding of good cause. Any community service which is required pursuant to subdivision (a), (b), or (c) of a person under the age of 18 years may be performed in the presence, and under the direct supervision, of the person's parent or legal guardian. (f) As used in this section, the term "graffiti or other inscribed material" includes any unauthorized inscription, word, figure, mark, or design that is written, marked, etched, scratched, drawn, or painted on real or personal property. (g) The court may order any person ordered to perform community service or graffiti removal pursuant to subdivision (a), (b), (c), or (d) to undergo counseling. 640.7. Any person who violates Section 594, 640.5, or 640.6 on or within 100 feet of a highway, or its appurtenances, including, but not limited to, guardrails, signs, traffic signals, snow poles, and similar facilities, excluding signs naming streets, is guilty of a misdemeanor, punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding six months, or by a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both that imprisonment and fine. A second conviction is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year, or by a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both that imprisonment and fine. 640.8. Any person who violates Section 594, 640.5, or 640.6, on a freeway, or its appurtenances, including sound walls, overpasses, overpass supports, guardrails, signs, signals, and other traffic control devices, is guilty of a misdemeanor, punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed one year, by a fine not to exceed five thousand dollars ($5,000), or by both that imprisonment and fine. As a condition of probation, the court may order the defendant to perform community service not to exceed 480 hours over a period not to exceed 420 days during a time other than his or her hours of school attendance or employment. 640a. 1. Any person who shall knowingly and wilfully operate, or cause to be operated, or who shall attempt to operate, or attempt to cause to be operated, any automatic vending machine, slot machine or other receptacle designed to receive lawful coin of the United States of America in connection with the sale, use or enjoyment of property or service, by means of a slug or any false, counterfeited, mutilated, sweated or foreign coin, or by any means, method, trick or device whatsoever not lawfully authorized by the owner, lessee or licensee of such machine or receptacle, or who shall take, obtain or receive from or in connection with any automatic vending machine, slot machine or other receptacle designed to receive lawful coin of the United States of America in connection with the sale, use or enjoyment of property or service, any goods, wares, merchandise, gas, electric current, article of value, or the use or enjoyment of any musical instrument, phonograph or other property, without depositing in and surrendering to such machine or receptacle lawful coin of the United States of America to the amount required therefor by the owner, lessee or licensee of such machine or receptacle shall be guilty of a misdemeanor. 2. Any person who, with intent to cheat or defraud the owner, lessee, licensee or other person entitled to the contents of any automatic vending machine, slot machine or other receptacle, depository or contrivance designed to receive lawful coin of the United States of America in connection with the sale, use or enjoyment of property or service, or who, knowing or having cause to believe that the same is intended for unlawful use, shall manufacture for sale, or sell or give away any slug, device or substance whatsoever intended or calculated to be placed or deposited in any such automatic vending machine, slot machine or other such receptacle, depository or contrivance, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor. 640b. 1. Any person who knowingly, wilfully and with intent to defraud the owner, lessee or licensee of any coin-box telephone, shall operate or cause to be operated, attempt to operate, or attempt to cause to be operated, any coin-box telephone by means of any slug or any false, counterfeited, mutilated, sweated or foreign coin, or by any means, method, trick or device whatsoever not lawfully authorized by such owner, lessee or licensee, or any person who, knowingly, wilfully and with intent to defraud the owner, lessee or licensee of any coin-box telephone, shall take, obtain or receive from or in connection with any such coin-box telephone, the use or enjoyment of any telephone or telegraph facilities or service, without depositing in or surrendering to such coin-box telephone lawful coin of the United States of America to the amount required therefor by such owner, lessee or licensee, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor. 2. Any person who, with the intent to cheat or defraud the owner, lessee or licensee or other person entitled to the contents of any coin-box telephone, or who, knowing or having cause to believe that the same is intended for unlawful use, shall manufacture for sale, or sell or give away any slug, device or substance whatsoever intended or calculated to be placed or deposited in any such coin-box telephone, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor. |
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Re: NOW DOES EVERBODY SEE WHAT I WAS SAYING !! |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Mar 18 21:15:40 2006, in response to Re: NOW DOES EVERBODY SEE WHAT I WAS SAYING !!, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Mar 18 21:00:27 2006. The date is May 31 in Compton. I don't know how it works exactly. The summons says that I need to send a registered letter postmarked at least 5 days before that date if I intend to plead not guilty. I guess a court date will then officially be scheduled. If I want to pay the fine I can do so at anytime before that date.I am not so confident that the charges will be dismissed. My word against his doesn't work well when the other guy is a police officer. If he tells the truth I think I'm okay. I really have no idea if he will. I'm hoping that if I can somehow get the ACLU involved they may drop the charges. Will I still be on the list after that?? Who the hell knows. |
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Re: NOW DOES EVERBODY SEE WHAT I WAS SAYING !! |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Mar 18 21:17:45 2006, in response to Re: NOW DOES EVERBODY SEE WHAT I WAS SAYING !!, posted by Easy on Sat Mar 18 21:15:40 2006. The cop might not even show up for court, depending on what happens to him that day (processing a felony arrest, having to testify at a different trail etc.). In the case of a no-show your complaint will be dismissed.By all means consult an attorney. |
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Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long) |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Mar 18 21:19:57 2006, in response to Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long), posted by RonInBayside on Sat Mar 18 20:53:01 2006. Maybe. He may have phrased the first question somewhere along the lines of whether or not I had an ID. I don't really recall. But I think the same thing would have happened regardless. I would have been handcuffed and searched. He may have partly been trying to hassle me, but I think in his mind wheher or not I was in fact a terrorist was a legitimate concern. He saw some potential that I was a terrorist and he wanted to do his job and get my name on the list. He probably gave me the summons because I asked for his supervisor and pissed him off. |
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Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long) |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Mar 18 21:21:32 2006, in response to Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long), posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Mar 18 21:02:48 2006. You really are an idiot. |
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Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Mar 18 21:21:56 2006, in response to Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long), posted by Easy on Sat Mar 18 21:19:57 2006. Terrorists do not and would not take photos out in the open like that, so it was obvious you were not a terrorist, and thus what was done to you was unjust. |
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Re: to 'easy' send a letter to head sheriff |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Mar 18 21:23:29 2006, in response to Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long), posted by Easy on Sat Mar 18 20:02:12 2006. go to this webpage firstthen send a legal complaint to Leroy D. Baca, Sheriff Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department 4700 Ramona Blvd. Monterey Park, CA 91754 --------------------------------------------------------------- You may contact the Sheriff's Department at the following number: (323) 526-5541 ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.aclu.org/index.html _____________________________________________________________ The following contact information is for the Southern California affiliate of the American Civil Liberties Union. While you can contact the affiliate directly, you can also read about some of work that the affiliate is engaged in by clicking on one of the links on the left and right of this page. 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To find the address for the appropriate affiliate, please go to the National ACLU website at www.aclu.org and click on States. There are several ways in which you may contact the ACLU of Southern California for legal assistance: You may write a letter to us at: ACLU/SC Legal Intake 1616 Beverly Boulevard Los Angeles, CA 90026 You may email us by using the Intake Form on our website; we will respond by regular mail. The link to the Form is found above, and at the end of this document. You may leave a voice mail message on our Intake Line (213-977-5253) giving your name, daytime telephone number, and a brief description of the issue you wish to discuss. Your call will be returned by one of our volunteer pre-screeners; they are not lawyers and cannot give legal advice to you. Nor can they refer you to individual private attorneys. They can mail you appropriate referrals to other agencies which may be of help, and present certain information on your cases to their supervisor for review. 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Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long) |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Mar 18 21:24:42 2006, in response to Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long), posted by Easy on Sat Mar 18 21:19:57 2006. The supervisor said (according to your account) that there was no need for handcuffs.I would fight this summons. But that's up to you. |
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Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long) |
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Posted by BIE on Sat Mar 18 21:25:06 2006, in response to Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long), posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Mar 18 21:21:32 2006. Police who do not recognoze that they are the SERVANTS of the Constitution are the lowest slime around and they do GREAT HARM to all the GOOD COPS. Good thing for the ACLU. |
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Re: NOW DOES EVERBODY SEE WHAT I WAS SAYING !! |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Mar 18 21:25:33 2006, in response to Re: NOW DOES EVERBODY SEE WHAT I WAS SAYING !!, posted by Easy on Sat Mar 18 21:15:40 2006. easy i want to be there in courtwhat division or court number is it ?? i bet misdemeanor court or traffic |
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Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long) |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Mar 18 21:26:34 2006, in response to Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long), posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Mar 18 21:21:32 2006. i know you would say thatcauz you would do the same thing aint that rrrrrigggghht ? |
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Re: NOW DOES EVERBODY SEE WHAT I WAS SAYING !! |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Mar 18 21:26:53 2006, in response to Re: NOW DOES EVERBODY SEE WHAT I WAS SAYING !!, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Mar 18 21:17:45 2006. Maybe. But I remember when I fought my traffic ticket. Everyone was asking me what I would say. I would tell them and they'd say "You might win. Me, I don't have a case. I just hope my cop doesn't show." When they would annonce the cases they would ask if the accused and accuser were present. Hilariously, every time a cop would say present you would hear someone say "Damn." The only other person that won that day while I was there was a guy who's cop said present, but immediately was radioed to leave because of a major freeway accident. The whole courtroom heard the guy say "YEAH!" |
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Re: NOW DOES EVERBODY SEE WHAT I WAS SAYING !! |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Mar 18 21:27:54 2006, in response to Re: NOW DOES EVERBODY SEE WHAT I WAS SAYING !!, posted by Easy on Sat Mar 18 21:26:53 2006. and when you BEAT THISgo back and TAKE SOME MORE PICTURES !!! yea !! |
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Re: to 'easy' send a letter to head sheriff |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Mar 18 21:30:27 2006, in response to Re: to 'easy' send a letter to head sheriff, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Mar 18 21:23:29 2006. Thanks for posting that information. |
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Re: NOW DOES EVERBODY SEE WHAT I WAS SAYING !! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Mar 18 21:30:59 2006, in response to Re: NOW DOES EVERBODY SEE WHAT I WAS SAYING !!, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Mar 18 21:25:33 2006. LOL, they'd rule against easy for SURE if you showed up yelling about how the cops are nazis and stuff! |
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Re: to 'easy' send a letter to head sheriff |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Mar 18 21:31:41 2006, in response to Re: to 'easy' send a letter to head sheriff, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Mar 18 21:30:27 2006. no problemi recieved a letter from them saying they got it did not expect anything else !! whew |
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Re: NOW DOES EVERBODY SEE WHAT I WAS SAYING !! |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Mar 18 21:32:26 2006, in response to Re: NOW DOES EVERBODY SEE WHAT I WAS SAYING !!, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Mar 18 21:30:59 2006. that is not proper behavior in a COURT OF LAWand i will not behave like that in any COURT |
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Re: NOW DOES EVERBODY SEE WHAT I WAS SAYING !! |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Mar 18 21:35:26 2006, in response to Re: NOW DOES EVERBODY SEE WHAT I WAS SAYING !!, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Mar 18 21:32:26 2006. Then behave like you would in court when you post on this message board. |
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Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long) |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 18 21:41:44 2006, in response to Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long), posted by BIE on Sat Mar 18 21:03:55 2006. NEWS FLASH: Republicans and Conservatives are in FAVOR of personal rights and freedoms.ROAR™ |
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Re: NOW DOES EVERBODY SEE WHAT I WAS SAYING !! |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 18 21:47:49 2006, in response to Re: NOW DOES EVERBODY SEE WHAT I WAS SAYING !!, posted by Easy on Sat Mar 18 21:15:40 2006. The reason for the notice to the court is so that the officer can be called as a witness. The officer will probably not come, and the ticket will get tossed.If the officer does come, beg the assistance of the judge (if you do not have your own attorney) to question the officer. It is good for you to have a written account of the encounter, one that you can testify to was written on the day of the encounter. Pulling a copy of it from this forum will prove the day that it was written, and thus it may be used to refresh your memory of the events. ROAR™ |
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Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long) |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 18 21:50:22 2006, in response to Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long), posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Mar 18 21:26:34 2006. No, we would not put our phone numbers on a public forum.Your email address is sufficient. |
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Re: NOW DOES EVERBODY SEE WHAT I WAS SAYING !! |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Mar 18 21:51:45 2006, in response to Re: NOW DOES EVERBODY SEE WHAT I WAS SAYING !!, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Mar 18 21:35:26 2006. What did i say ?i have ben to traffic court before and won my case dismissed damnn dude !! there is a PROTOCOL in a court of law it is not a message board |
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Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long) |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Mar 18 21:54:36 2006, in response to Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long), posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 18 21:50:22 2006. i was just saying ........... he can call me if he lives in Caposter ''easy'' could call me if he wanted to !! and he could e mail me because i would like to request he join my yahoo groups and my new message board forum under construction now and the other transit railfan sites here with discussion boards |
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Re: NOW DOES EVERBODY SEE WHAT I WAS SAYING !! |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Mar 18 21:54:48 2006, in response to Re: NOW DOES EVERBODY SEE WHAT I WAS SAYING !!, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 18 21:47:49 2006. I had snagged a red line schedule before this episode and I wrote a detailed account of the events on the ride back. I think that the deputy that gave me the summons was not really aware of the entire situation. He would not have known to document everything. The supervisor was pretty sharp. I'm sure that he gave the deputy some instructions. I can't be sure because my train left literally seconds after they let me go. I don't know what they talked about, but they were all still there in a huddle after we pulled out. |
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Re: NOW DOES EVERBODY SEE WHAT I WAS SAYING !! |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Mar 18 21:56:06 2006, in response to Re: NOW DOES EVERBODY SEE WHAT I WAS SAYING !!, posted by Easy on Sat Mar 18 21:54:48 2006. trying to get their shit straightand knowing they F'-ed up !! big time ! |
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Re: NOW DOES EVERBODY SEE WHAT I WAS SAYING !! |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Mar 18 21:57:45 2006, in response to Re: NOW DOES EVERBODY SEE WHAT I WAS SAYING !!, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Mar 18 21:51:45 2006. You don't display much knowledge of proper behavior in any situation on this board. |
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Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long) |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Mar 18 21:59:08 2006, in response to Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long), posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Mar 18 21:54:36 2006. Like your "Report Incidents of Racism on Public Transit" board that you wanted to started? Something tells me that "Easy" is a rational thinker and would not associate with you on matters such as these. |
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Re: NOW DOES EVERBODY SEE WHAT I WAS SAYING !! |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Mar 18 22:01:25 2006, in response to Re: NOW DOES EVERBODY SEE WHAT I WAS SAYING !!, posted by Easy on Sat Mar 18 21:15:40 2006. the way i read that california penal code its something to dowith ''willful refusal to produce a valid identification''' which you did not REFUSE but you do have a right to Question !! the officer will have to PROVE you REFUSED to produce valid ID !! which you did NOT !! the crap on your TAKING PICTURES is not on any caliornia penal code and there is NO regulation by the los angeles LACMTA or - MTA here against TAKING PICTURES of trains / stations / buses / etc... nothing !!! you will not have to pay the court $ 250.oo ..........!!!! you win !! |
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Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long) |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Mar 18 22:03:39 2006, in response to Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long), posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Mar 18 21:59:08 2006. why are you and why do you INSIST on being irrelevant and totally''' [ OFF TOPIC ] ''' on this message thread ??? no reason at all |
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Re: NOW DOES EVERBODY SEE WHAT I WAS SAYING !! |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Mar 18 22:06:25 2006, in response to Re: NOW DOES EVERBODY SEE WHAT I WAS SAYING !!, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Mar 18 21:57:45 2006. your opinionyou are entitled to it ( wrong of cource ) i know proper courtroom manners and protocol and how to present myself in a courtroom of law you are still free to continue in your wrong thinking and posting its your choice |
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Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long) |
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Posted by George Foelschow on Sat Mar 18 22:12:44 2006, in response to Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long), posted by Easy on Sat Mar 18 20:02:12 2006. Easy: I would advise the following:1) I hope you got badge numbers from the deputies. (At least the deputy issuing the summons should have identified himself.) 2) Sit down, clear your mind, and commit to paper your recollection of the event to the smallest detail. You might need these notes if called to testify in court. 3) Contact the Los Angeles chapter of the ACLU. They might help; there is no guarantee. 4) There are lawyers that may handle your case on a pro-bono basis. Finally, I am appalled and embarrassed that you experienced this in Los Angeles. I use the 7th & Metro station daily, and usually the deputies stand around in groups doing nothing, not even checking fares. Some bored deputy eager for a power trip spotted you, and saw an opportunity to stir up trouble. |
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Re: Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long) |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Mar 18 22:18:00 2006, in response to Today I got a summons from the LA Sheriff and added to the LA terrorism list (Long), posted by Easy on Sat Mar 18 20:02:12 2006. Does anyone have any advice in fighting this fine? I like to think that I have a little common sense, but I really have no legal knowledge. I'm sure that many on this board are more knowledgeable. So far, I'm guessing that my defense will include:- Pictures similar to the ones that I took were already available in the public domain. (ie there was no reason for me to be detained) - I did not violate the penal code cited on the ticket (loud and boistorous behavior) - My concern in showing my ID was justified (the LA anti-terrorism list of which I am now included) - Illegal search and seizure??? If any lawyers are concerned I would not treat any responses as legal advice. BTW. Is all of this allowed by the Patriot Act? I have no idea. |
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Re: NOW DOES EVERBODY SEE WHAT I WAS SAYING !! |
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Posted by BIE on Sat Mar 18 22:25:50 2006, in response to Re: NOW DOES EVERBODY SEE WHAT I WAS SAYING !!, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Mar 18 21:56:06 2006. Yeah, they were cooking up some nice lies for the Judge. |
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