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Broadway Brooklyn Train Lengths 1960's-70's |
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Posted by TonyIND on Fri Nov 19 01:01:46 2004 Remembering a recent post about the train lengths of the Broadway Bklyn Lines of the late 60's until 1973, please clarify for me:QJ trains were a max. of 8 cars M " 6 KK " 6 JJ " 6 Was this only AFTER Chrystie Street opened, or pre 1967, were "JJ" and "M" services (or whatever numbers they were) 8 cars?? Tony |
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Re: Broadway Brooklyn Train Lengths 1960's-70's |
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Posted by VictorM on Fri Nov 19 18:24:05 2004, in response to Broadway Brooklyn Train Lengths 1960's-70's, posted by TonyIND on Fri Nov 19 01:01:46 2004. Before Chrystie St, the Jamaica line (#15) had 8 cars rush hours, 6 cars non rush hours, 3 cars late nights. The Chambers-Metropolitan service had 6 car Standards, rush hours only. I'm fairly sure the Broadway Brooklyn local also had 6 cars (R16?), rush hours only.After Chrystie, until 1973, the train lengths were as you posted above. After 1973, the J, and M's were 8 cars rush hours (and I think non-rush hours as well). I think the K was also 8. |
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Re: Broadway Brooklyn Train Lengths 1960's-70's |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Nov 19 18:48:28 2004, in response to Broadway Brooklyn Train Lengths 1960's-70's, posted by TonyIND on Fri Nov 19 01:01:46 2004. If you go back to the early 1950's there were:Jamaica Express - 8 car standards @ 11 tph Bway-Bklyn Local - 6 car standards @ 8 tph Myrtle-Chambers Exp - 6 car standards @ 7 tph |
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Re: Broadway Brooklyn Train Lengths 1960's-70's |
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Posted by vengence on Fri Nov 19 18:53:28 2004, in response to Broadway Brooklyn Train Lengths 1960's-70's, posted by TonyIND on Fri Nov 19 01:01:46 2004. From what I remember....QJ=Rush hours,middays evenings -8 car trains of R6/9,16,27,30,32,42... QJ=Evenings after 7:30 pm and weekends-ran what ever was availible in ENY Yard 6 car trains...untill 73[8 car train weekends untill service cuts in 77] KK=Rush hour only 6 car train[1968-73] 8 car trains 1973-76.... M=Rush hours,middays 6 car trains...R 6/9,42[late commers-27/30/32] SS MYRTLE SHUTTLE=Evenings nights weekends...3 car R6/9 ,LATER 4 car r27/30 or 42... |
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Re: Broadway Brooklyn Train Lengths 1960's-70's |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 19 18:57:09 2004, in response to Re: Broadway Brooklyn Train Lengths 1960's-70's, posted by vengence on Fri Nov 19 18:53:28 2004. KK=Rush hour only 6 car train[1968-73] 8 car trains 1973-76... Interesting, trains on the KK got longer after being cut back to Atlantic Ave. I guess Jamaica Ave/Fulton St. patronage was very poor. |
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Re: Broadway Brooklyn Train Lengths 1960's-70's |
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Posted by TonyIND on Sat Nov 20 01:28:14 2004, in response to Re: Broadway Brooklyn Train Lengths 1960's-70's, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 19 18:57:09 2004. That is an interesting observation!! From what I see, the "KK" only ran on the Jamaica Av leg TO Manhattan during the AM rush hrs making Skip Stops, then via. Local past Eastern Pkway. I guess people baarding the "KK" at the skip stops got the next "QJ" express into Manhattan as soon as possible. Someone once told me that the same held true when the "JJ" ran from 168, it was never heavily used alongthe Jamaica Av/ Fulton portion. However, the Jamaica Express was crowded right from 168 all the way into Manhattan!! Tony |
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Re: Broadway Brooklyn Train Lengths 1960's-70's |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Nov 20 10:38:52 2004, in response to Re: Broadway Brooklyn Train Lengths 1960's-70's, posted by VictorM on Fri Nov 19 18:24:05 2004. BMT standards were used on the Broadway-Brooklyn local as well. Most likely they were six cars long. |
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Re: Broadway Brooklyn Train Lengths 1960's-70's |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Nov 20 10:58:00 2004, in response to Re: Broadway Brooklyn Train Lengths 1960's-70's, posted by TonyIND on Sat Nov 20 01:28:14 2004. I can imagine why those who lived at #14/JJ/KK only skipped stops would want to get a #15/QJ/J train ASAP, to avoid making all those stops above Broadway. That's why I think the current J/Z service pattern is far superior. |
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Re: Broadway Brooklyn Train Lengths 1960's-70's |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Nov 22 20:24:46 2004, in response to Re: Broadway Brooklyn Train Lengths 1960's-70's, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Nov 20 10:38:52 2004. In the 1960's until Chrystie, the #14 local was pretty much a crap shoot of 5 and 5 car R16's or Standards.hile officially called JJ when the QJ began, that Standards held it down like that for about 6 more months until the R-9's invaded in the Spring of 68. I reverse commuted that school year between Woodhaven Blvd and 121 St. I often caught a Bway Bklyn local toward Jamaica around 7:50am, saw a Long Island City-bound Oyster Bay train with P54's around 8:10am, and got an 8 car R27 QJ around 3pm. |
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