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Posted by AlM on Sun Oct 4 08:59:29 2026, in response to Fare inspectors, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Oct 3 14:58:47 2026. farebox recovery is less than 20& of the cost per rideI certainly haven't ever seen such a claim about NYC. Also, if the fare were zero, ridership would probably double, which would require an extraordinary influx of additional funding. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Oct 4 09:40:59 2026, in response to Re: Fare inspectors, posted by AlM on Sun Oct 4 08:59:29 2026. Even the most boisterous advocates of public transit usually insist on some sort of a fare, probably in part for the reason you give.But the question does arise -- if fare gates do not deter evasion, should we just take all the barriers down and have systemwide POP like in Germany? Or maybe just keep the cheap stuff that is at least technically a barrier and supplement that with inspections. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Oct 4 11:56:51 2026, in response to Re: Fare inspectors, posted by AlM on Sun Oct 4 08:59:29 2026. Why would ridership double? Which modes would people be switching from? The only thing cheaper is walking.Counterintuitively I think that ridership in LA would fall if fares were free. People would literally start living in trains and stations. And I know this because that's exactly what happened when ridership was made free in 2020 and 2021. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Oct 4 12:49:27 2026, in response to Re: Fare inspectors, posted by AlM on Sun Oct 4 08:59:29 2026. I certainly haven't ever seen such a claim about NYC.According to the 2024 NTD tables for operating expenses and fare revenue for bus operation for combined NYCT and MTA Bus operations. total operating cost: $4,886,628,308 total fare revenue: $814,126,685 Fare Recovery Rate: 16.7% For NYCT Heavy Rail Operation: total operating cost: $6,500,549,691 total fare revenue: $2,891,420,498 Fare Recovery Rate: 44.48% |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Oct 4 17:16:03 2026, in response to Re: Fare inspectors, posted by Easy on Sun Oct 4 11:56:51 2026. Which modes would people be switching from?They would take more trips. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Oct 4 22:40:14 2026, in response to Re: Fare inspectors, posted by AlM on Sun Oct 4 17:16:03 2026. I can support that by stating anecdotally that I would be making a lot of 4-stop or 5-stop bus trips, especially if I wasn't fond of the weather, if the fare was free. I'd probably still walk a bunch of those same trips too, but if I'm going 4 stops, or say a half-mile, and I see either visually or from the app that the bus is coming, I'd be inclined to use it if I knew it was free -- probably even in good walking weather. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Oct 5 02:12:34 2026, in response to Re: Fare inspectors, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Oct 4 22:40:14 2026. Once I turned 65--which meant an unlimited ride bus pass was cheao, I displayed that behavior. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Oct 5 16:56:00 2026, in response to Re: Fare inspectors, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Oct 4 09:40:59 2026. BART installed faregates that were harder to avoid, and crime in the system went down.It's about building mass transit for the TOP 99% and excluding the bottom 1%. #OccupySkidRow. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Oct 5 17:37:50 2026, in response to Re: Fare inspectors, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Oct 5 16:56:00 2026. The new gates are fairly easy to double up through. They do prevent the athletic leapers, and the crawl under types. The other version which I see at Ashby is simply walking out the emergency doors. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Oct 6 10:40:19 2026, in response to Re: Fare inspectors, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Oct 5 17:37:50 2026. Nothing is perfect. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Oct 6 15:09:58 2026, in response to Re: Fare inspectors, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Oct 6 10:40:19 2026. correct. In recent weeks buses alternate FARE REQUIRED with route info. I see this as a PR move in response to anti-transit right wingers trying to defeat a tax measure. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Oct 7 08:34:06 2026, in response to Re: Fare inspectors, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Oct 5 16:56:00 2026. I'm going to keep mentioning that BART was able to enjoy low crime rates back when it had the clamshell gates for its first 50 years of service, a period that is often referred to as the "high crime era".I wasn't a huge fan of NYPD rules enforcement up through the 2010's, but I feel we should have more options than "arrest fare evaders and photographers" and "arrest nobody". Arresting fare evaders would be like shooting fish in a barrel on today's NYCT Subway. |
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