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Re: ''History'' Questions on the offset C/R position on 8-car trains |
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Posted by zac on Fri Mar 27 07:59:56 2026, in response to "History" Questions on the offset C/R position on 8-car trains, posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Mar 27 07:13:50 2026. I'm not sure on this but I think all the married pair cars had door controls at one end and the operating controls at the other. That would mean that any 4 or 8 car train would have the c/r offset from the middle. |
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Re: ''History'' Questions on the offset C/R position on 8-car trains |
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Posted by Billy P. on Fri Mar 27 15:52:39 2026, in response to "History" Questions on the offset C/R position on 8-car trains, posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Mar 27 07:13:50 2026. It only dates to the early 90s, when the R42s and R40M's (with the occasional slant) became the primary equipment used on the Eastern Division (J, L, M). Prior to that, 8-car R16s, R27/30s, and R32s were drummed up 4x4, with the conductor in the middle of the train. The 4x4 position had the traditional conductor's board (white with black stripes), while the 3x5 position for the R42s had a red board with yellow stripes with 'R42' printed on them in yellow. This also was the setup in The Southern Division, because up until around 1987 or 88, the B, N, & RR only ran 8 car trains.As far as the equipment goes, this came about because the R40s & R42s only had conductor's controls in the #2 cab, whereas the older stuff had both Motorman's and conductor's controls in the #1 cab, and only conductor's controls in the #2 cab. So any cab could have been used as a conductor's position, hence the ability for 4x4 operation. |
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Re: ''History'' Questions on the offset C/R position on 8-car trains |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Mar 28 03:27:06 2026, in response to Re: ''History'' Questions on the offset C/R position on 8-car trains, posted by Billy P. on Fri Mar 27 15:52:39 2026. To clarify, up to and including th R-38s, any cab could be used as a C/;R position. Starting with the R-32s, the #2 I(C/R only) cabs had no seats on the theory, that the C.R was not to sit inside the cab between stations. In 1966 when I started, in the BMT East with R-16s, 6 car trains were drummed up 3 X 3. IN the Southern Div after a significant number of R-32s were in service, it was decided to have 6 car trains drummed up 2 south/4 north so that C/R would be guaranteed a seat. Another detail is that when less than maximum length traijs were operated, no C/R boards (called “tell tale” boards at the time) were required since on shorter trains, C/Rs were expected to ba able to ascertain that the entire train was in the station without the need for a board. The only circumstance in which C/R boards for short trains were required was where ABs wew operated since the C/R was unable to observe the platform before the doors were opened which was the case on other equipment. |
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Re: ''History'' Questions on the offset C/R position on 8-car trains |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Mar 28 10:27:18 2026, in response to Re: ''History'' Questions on the offset C/R position on 8-car trains, posted by randyo on Sat Mar 28 03:27:06 2026. When I became a conductor in 1979, our Motorman Instructor trainers emphasized that the cab seat was called a Motormans seat, not Conductor seat, meaning the conductor is not allowed to use it.....that the conductor must be visible to the passengers at all times in between stations. |
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Re: ''History'' Questions on the offset C/R position on 8-car trains |
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Posted by Billy P. on Sat Mar 28 11:47:27 2026, in response to Re: ''History'' Questions on the offset C/R position on 8-car trains, posted by randyo on Sat Mar 28 03:27:06 2026. Interesting. As Bill said, in school car they had it in our heads that sitting between stations was a no-no. Although I don't recall anyone ever getting hassled about it. |
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Re: ''History'' Questions on the offset C/R position on 8-car trains |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Mar 29 02:46:48 2026, in response to Re: ''History'' Questions on the offset C/R position on 8-car trains, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Mar 28 10:27:18 2026. There are always caveats to every rule. Heavy passenger loading often prevents the C/R from riding outside the cab. |
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PATH conductor position (was: Re: ''History'' Questions on the offset C/R position on 8-car trains) |
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Posted by Asgard on Tue Mar 31 23:54:49 2026, in response to "History" Questions on the offset C/R position on 8-car trains, posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Mar 27 07:13:50 2026. This thread reminded me of something I've wondered about.As far as I can remember, back to the end of the black car era, PATH conductors were at the rear of the first/front of the second car. I wondered then why they weren't closer to the center. A couple of years ago, I noticed a conductor working from the center of the train. I asked her, and she said that had started with the full-width cabs of the PA5s. I've recently seen conductors back at the first/second car position -- but always on crowded trains or when I was in a hurry and wasn't able to ask them about it. Does anyone know why they've been traditionally at the front, and briefly at the center? Thanks! |
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Re: PATH conductor position (was: Re: ''History'' Questions on the offset C/R position on 8-car trains) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Apr 1 02:09:33 2026, in response to PATH conductor position (was: Re: ''History'' Questions on the offset C/R position on 8-car trains), posted by Asgard on Tue Mar 31 23:54:49 2026. I remember PATH conductors being in that position all through the 1990s, while the PA-1 through 3 were still running. Don't know why, though. |
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