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Bay Area’s beloved BART system on brink of collapse as riders vanish and deficits soar
Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Mar 16 17:51:50 2026 Is the headline to the article, which is a waste of time as they blame remote work, and not the needles, dung, and danger of riding the trains which no one wants to take. There was a good local news SERIES posted here not many years ago about how and why no one wants to take the train. None of it matched this lazy predictable reporting. It's never crime, drugs, or skells that chase people away from transit, with a reputation that never recovers.
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Re: Bay Area’s beloved BART system on brink of collapse as riders vanish and deficits soar
Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Mar 16 21:05:36 2026, in response to Bay Area’s beloved BART system on brink of collapse as riders vanish and deficits soar, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Mar 16 17:51:50 2026. What OBS describes is NOT the subway I regularly use at many hours of the day. Whether going out to music,meals w/friends or medical needs, I rarely encounter annoying issues. It is, however, the case that "rush hour" no longer means crush loading--merely a few standees. So, unlike many transit systems, BART used to rake in 60%+ farebox recovery--mainly due to distance based fares New Yorkers would not to0lerate on the subway. SF Muni and the rest of our 27 transit agencies farebox ## range from 10 to 20%. Now that BART, as many other systems, is booking more evening and weekend ridership than before covid, but lower 9-5 users, their money ## are very different. Finally, I would point out that Illinois passed a huge bailout for ALL transit in the state as they, too, have very different rider needs than pre covid.
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Re: Bay Area’s beloved BART system on brink of collapse as riders vanish and deficits soar
Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Mar 16 22:23:03 2026, in response to Bay Area’s beloved BART system on brink of collapse as riders vanish and deficits soar, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Mar 16 17:51:50 2026. No matter where, it's the same reasons.
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Mar 17 02:35:51 2026, in response to Re: Bay Area’s beloved BART system on brink of collapse as riders vanish and deficits soar, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Mar 16 21:05:36 2026. As likely other communities. Even before COVID, fewer people were working the traditional 9-5 workday and that only accelerated with COVID. With the global economy, people are often needed to work non-traditional hours to cater in many cases to people outside the US for many things.
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Re: Bay Area’s beloved BART system on brink of collapse as riders vanish and deficits soar
Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Mar 17 08:36:35 2026, in response to Re: Bay Area’s beloved BART system on brink of collapse as riders vanish and deficits soar, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Mar 16 21:05:36 2026. There it is MY description of BART.
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Re: Bay Area’s beloved BART system on brink of collapse as riders vanish and deficits soar
Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Mar 17 08:37:26 2026, in response to Re: Bay Area’s beloved BART system on brink of collapse as riders vanish and deficits soar, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Mar 17 02:35:51 2026. Well, 9 to 5 doesn't exist anymore like Sunday blue laws don't exist. So no one is working traditional 9-5 anymore. As for overcrowding, if you can't handle capacity, no one wants it.
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Re: Bay Area’s beloved BART system on brink of collapse as riders vanish and deficits soar
Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Mar 17 14:35:57 2026, in response to Re: Bay Area’s beloved BART system on brink of collapse as riders vanish and deficits soar, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Mar 17 08:36:35 2026. The hallway in the 7 year out of date video was walled off to be filled with a new transformer. Another example of a once convenient piece of a subway station closed off rather than cleaned up and regularly patrolled. Of course in a society where we don't adequately tax the overly rich, there is no money after all of the patronage payouts for things that actually benefit the citizenry at large. As to addict behavior, if we truly cared, there would be rehab/support adequate to the need. We clearly prefer to merely confine them to ever uglier areas of our cities as if they were not fellow humans. Back to rivet counting.
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 17 14:42:51 2026, in response to Re: Bay Area’s beloved BART system on brink of collapse as riders vanish and deficits soar, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Mar 16 21:05:36 2026. mainly due to distance-based fares New Yorkers would not tolerate on the subway How do you know?
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Re: Bay Area’s beloved BART system on brink of collapse as riders vanish and deficits soar
Posted by Italianstallion on Tue Mar 17 15:31:25 2026, in response to Bay Area’s beloved BART system on brink of collapse as riders vanish and deficits soar, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Mar 16 17:51:50 2026. There are always criminals in transit, as in any big city. It never stopped the growth of ridership before.
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Re: Bay Area’s beloved BART system on brink of collapse as riders vanish and deficits soar
Posted by Italianstallion on Tue Mar 17 15:33:30 2026, in response to Re: Bay Area’s beloved BART system on brink of collapse as riders vanish and deficits soar, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Mar 17 14:35:57 2026. Well said.
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Posted by Italianstallion on Tue Mar 17 15:34:28 2026, in response to Re: Bay Area’s beloved BART system on brink of collapse as riders vanish and deficits soar, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 17 14:42:51 2026. Because of the outrage stoked by the recent increase in the subway fare of a mere 10 cents.
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Re: Bay Area’s beloved BART system on brink of collapse as riders vanish and deficits soar
Posted by Italianstallion on Tue Mar 17 15:34:48 2026, in response to Bay Area’s beloved BART system on brink of collapse as riders vanish and deficits soar, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Mar 16 17:51:50 2026. There are always criminals in transit, as in any big city. It never stopped the growth of ridership before.
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Mar 17 17:12:04 2026, in response to Re: Bay Area’s beloved BART system on brink of collapse as riders vanish and deficits soar, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Mar 17 08:37:26 2026. Exactly on 9 to 5. That was already changing pre-COVID and had been for almost 20 years.
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Re: Bay Area’s beloved BART system on brink of collapse as riders vanish and deficits soar
Posted by jackson Park B Train on Tue Mar 17 18:14:13 2026, in response to Re: Bay Area’s beloved BART system on brink of collapse as riders vanish and deficits soar, posted by Italianstallion on Tue Mar 17 15:33:30 2026. Thank you. Dumping on public transit about society's failures os very low end.
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Re: Bay Area’s beloved BART system on brink of collapse as riders vanish and deficits soar
Posted by rkba on Tue Mar 17 20:22:33 2026, in response to Re: Bay Area’s beloved BART system on brink of collapse as riders vanish and deficits soar, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Mar 17 14:35:57 2026. >> adequately tax the overly rich check your envy at the door.
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Re: Bay Area’s beloved BART system on brink of collapse as riders vanish and deficits soar
Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 17 21:07:43 2026, in response to Re: Bay Area’s beloved BART system on brink of collapse as riders vanish and deficits soar, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Mar 17 14:35:57 2026. Your overt use of communistic rhetoric makes you a person to not be listened to.
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Re: Bay Area’s beloved BART system on brink of collapse as riders vanish and deficits soar
Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Mar 17 21:29:53 2026, in response to Re: Bay Area’s beloved BART system on brink of collapse as riders vanish and deficits soar, posted by rkba on Tue Mar 17 20:22:33 2026. Envy???
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Mar 17 21:31:06 2026, in response to Re: Bay Area’s beloved BART system on brink of collapse as riders vanish and deficits soar, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 17 21:07:43 2026. ear plugs are safety devices for the construction trades
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Re: Bay Area’s beloved BART system on brink of collapse as riders vanish and deficits soar
Posted by Displaced Angeleno on Wed Mar 18 11:55:49 2026, in response to Re: Bay Area’s beloved BART system on brink of collapse as riders vanish and deficits soar, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Mar 16 21:05:36 2026. I read that the new BART fare gates have really cut down on fare evasion and antisocial behavior in the past two years. It was really good to hear. Most fare evaders don't cause problems for other riders, but nearly every problem rider evades the fare, so it really cuts down on both problems.
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Re: Bay Area’s beloved BART system on brink of collapse as riders vanish and deficits soar
Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 18 13:59:05 2026, in response to Bay Area’s beloved BART system on brink of collapse as riders vanish and deficits soar, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Mar 16 17:51:50 2026. Don't have a cow, man!
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Re: Bay Area’s beloved BART system on brink of collapse as riders vanish and deficits soar
Posted by jackson Park b Train on Wed Mar 18 14:56:12 2026, in response to Re: Bay Area’s beloved BART system on brink of collapse as riders vanish and deficits soar, posted by Displaced Angeleno on Wed Mar 18 11:55:49 2026. The new gates have eliminated the slip under and leap over crowd. The squeeze behind a legit entry/exit folks are still out there.
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Re: Bay Area’s beloved BART system on brink of collapse as riders vanish and deficits soar
Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 18 22:10:24 2026, in response to Re: Bay Area’s beloved BART system on brink of collapse as riders vanish and deficits soar, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 18 13:59:05 2026. Aye carumba
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Re: Bay Area’s beloved BART system on brink of collapse as riders vanish and deficits soar
Posted by Mitch45 on Thu Mar 19 05:45:57 2026, in response to Re: Bay Area’s beloved BART system on brink of collapse as riders vanish and deficits soar, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 18 22:10:24 2026. DOH!
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