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Fox 5 NYC story about F/M swap

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 18 02:14:43 2025

One of the benefits cited by NYCT is that the AM, Manhattan-bound trains arriving at Roosevelt Island won't be as crowded (sometimes they were at full capacity).

Now that the M serves Roosevelt Island, arriving AM Manhattan-bound trains won't be a full. That makes 100% sense to anyone. I guess the only argument against this is that the M is only an 8-car train so it's possible that arriving trains might not be so empty?

I'm guessing the demand for the F express was so much greater, it's still a benefit to Roosevelt Island passengers.

As for station signage, I think NYCT should have kept F letters/circles/bullets at the 63rd tunnel stations, but made the F smaller to communicate it's not the primary service, only night and weekends.



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Re: Fox 5 NYC story about F/M swap

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Dec 18 07:07:46 2025, in response to Fox 5 NYC story about F/M swap, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 18 02:14:43 2025.

I think I remember both orange B and orange Q as depicted on maps in the 90s even though it was Q all day and B weekends (and F late nights). I don't know what the entrance signage at the actual stations said though.

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Re: Fox 5 NYC story about F/M swap

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 18 13:19:14 2025, in response to Re: Fox 5 NYC story about F/M swap, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Dec 18 07:07:46 2025.

In this video, they quickly show Queensbridge station and the M is visible on the entrance sign.

They really should have an F displayed too. Maybe make it smaller which communicates it isn't the primary line serving that station.

I'm guessing there is signage downstairs, along the platform, that explains the service.

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Re: Fox 5 NYC story about F/M swap

Posted by jasonnyc on Fri Dec 19 11:18:29 2025, in response to Fox 5 NYC story about F/M swap, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 18 02:14:43 2025.

If I recall correctly, the V was planned as a local so that the G, now terminating at Court Square, could have access to local QBL service. Now G riders have a transfer to E/F to QP for the R. Increased E/F service should take care of that, and I'm guessing the demand wasn't as high.

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Re: Fox 5 NYC story about F/M swap

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Dec 19 12:22:14 2025, in response to Fox 5 NYC story about F/M swap, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 18 02:14:43 2025.

I can just imagine Moe and Fred going at it.

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Re: Fox 5 NYC story about F/M swap

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Dec 19 13:04:37 2025, in response to Re: Fox 5 NYC story about F/M swap, posted by jasonnyc on Fri Dec 19 11:18:29 2025.

Continental cannot handle 3 services at one time, be it M/R/V then or G/M/R.

Unless I misunderstood you.

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Re: Fox 5 NYC story about F/M swap

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Dec 19 13:07:14 2025, in response to Re: Fox 5 NYC story about F/M swap, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Dec 19 13:04:37 2025.

Oops. Meant to say G/R/V and G/M/R. Sorry

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Re: Fox 5 NYC story about F/M swap

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 19 14:20:04 2025, in response to Re: Fox 5 NYC story about F/M swap, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Dec 19 13:04:37 2025.

I think you did misunderstand. I think he meant that the V was local so that G passengers could transfer directly to it. Now G passengers who need QB local service need to transfer twice.

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Re: Fox 5 NYC story about F/M swap

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 19 14:27:31 2025, in response to Fox 5 NYC story about F/M swap, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 18 02:14:43 2025.



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Re: Fox 5 NYC story about F/M swap

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Dec 20 06:47:55 2025, in response to Re: Fox 5 NYC story about F/M swap, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 19 14:20:04 2025.

On one level this can be interpreted as the final convenience removed for G riders -- 24 years delayed -- but as was stated before things have changed since 2001 when this debate was at its height and the G riders now have the 7 train at Court Square which they didn't back then.

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Re: Fox 5 NYC story about F/M swap

Posted by Allen45 on Sat Dec 20 17:31:25 2025, in response to Re: Fox 5 NYC story about F/M swap, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Dec 19 13:04:37 2025.

If there ever is a 2010 service cut situation again. I can make an argument for the G to return to Continental. Send the G to Continental all times. Keep the M as it is. Have the N and R both go to Ditmars. Yard access for the R will not be a problem if it is basically part of the N when it comes to sharing equipment etc. You can also get rid of some merges.

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Re: Fox 5 NYC story about F/M swap

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Dec 20 21:40:55 2025, in response to Re: Fox 5 NYC story about F/M swap, posted by Allen45 on Sat Dec 20 17:31:25 2025.

That will be fun for passengers along the Broadway BMT corridor.

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Re: Fox 5 NYC story about F/M swap

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 21 11:15:24 2025, in response to Re: Fox 5 NYC story about F/M swap, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Dec 19 13:04:37 2025.

Especially now that M and G frequencies have risen in recent years.

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Re: Fox 5 NYC story about F/M swap

Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Dec 21 14:23:21 2025, in response to Re: Fox 5 NYC story about F/M swap, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 21 11:15:24 2025.

Maybe then the MTA should find the money necessary to extend the G/M/R to 179th Street. It can be done where as needed any of those lines could be sent express with the (F) at Parsons if there is a backlog on the local going into 179.

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Re: Fox 5 NYC story about F/M swap

Posted by jasonnyc on Mon Dec 22 00:10:20 2025, in response to Re: Fox 5 NYC story about F/M swap, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 19 14:20:04 2025.

Yes this is what I meant.

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Re: Fox 5 NYC story about F/M swap

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 22 11:09:25 2025, in response to Re: Fox 5 NYC story about F/M swap, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Dec 21 14:23:21 2025.

Hillside Ave riders rejected this service pattern 30 years ago.

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Re: Fox 5 NYC story about F/M swap

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 22 11:51:03 2025, in response to Re: Fox 5 NYC story about F/M swap, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 22 11:09:25 2025.

PWNED!

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Re: Fox 5 NYC story about F/M swap

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Dec 22 16:35:07 2025, in response to Re: Fox 5 NYC story about F/M swap, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 22 11:09:25 2025.

Yeah, they ran the Ricky all the way to 179th after the Archer Ave. line opened. Didn't catch on.

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Re: Fox 5 NYC story about F/M swap

Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Dec 23 08:18:47 2025, in response to Re: Fox 5 NYC story about F/M swap, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 22 11:09:25 2025.

These trains would be in addition to the (F) going to 179. The (F) (and limited (E) trains) would not be affected by this at all.

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Re: Fox 5 NYC story about F/M swap

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Dec 23 08:44:14 2025, in response to Re: Fox 5 NYC story about F/M swap, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Dec 23 08:18:47 2025.

Local riders don't want to choose between a long ride with a seat or a shorter one with a standing Ferrari.

Running locals east of Forest Hills is a non starter.

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Re: Fox 5 NYC story about F/M swap

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Dec 23 08:44:30 2025, in response to Re: Fox 5 NYC story about F/M swap, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Dec 23 08:18:47 2025.

Local riders don't want to choose between a long ride with a seat or a shorter one with a standing xfer.

Running locals east of Forest Hills is a non starter.

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Re: Fox 5 NYC story about F/M swap

Posted by AlM on Tue Dec 23 13:31:23 2025, in response to Re: Fox 5 NYC story about F/M swap, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Dec 23 08:44:14 2025.

standing Ferrari

???

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