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Re: [PHOTOS] BMT Multi Section Motorman's Cabs |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jul 11 19:53:52 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] BMT Multi Section Motorman's Cabs, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jul 11 13:16:04 2025. Looks as if the controls are installed IND-style. And faucet handle door controls.:) |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jul 12 03:31:11 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] BMT Multi Section Motorman's Cabs, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jul 11 19:53:52 2025. Although the Zephyr and Green Hornet had the controls BMT style with left handed brake valves, the production Multis had IND style controls with right handed brake valves. I suspect that was done because operating a self lapping brake valve like the ME-39 is a bit awkward if installed left handed. The faucet handle door controls on the Multis were quite unique. The single handle in the lower middle opened the entire train like the opening button on the steels. The C/R would move the opening handle off the center position to open the doors and the handle would spring back to center. The C/R would operate the closing handles the same way. To close the doors left of the C/R position the C/R would move the handle to the left. To close the doors to the right, the C/R would move the handle to the right and in both cases, the handles would spring pack to the center position. Effectively those handles were nothing more than long buttons that moved to the right and left instead of being pushed in. You’ll notice in the rear of the cab just to the right of the cab door there is a box with a small handle on top. That is a drum switch much like the drum switches on the R types that needed a key to unlock but with only 2 positions, off and on. With the drum switch in the on position, the door controls in that cab were activated. There was no “thru” position on the drum switches because for some reason instead of putting the door control circuit in the electric portions of the couplers, the BMT chose to use door jumpers like the D types. |
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Re: [PHOTOS] BMT Multi Section Motorman's Cabs |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jul 12 03:44:00 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] BMT Multi Section Motorman's Cabs, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jul 11 19:53:52 2025. An interesting aspect of the Multis is that although the cabs were convertible from corner to full width (transverse) most of the time they were operated with the cabs transverse. I have an instruction sheet for the Multis but I don’t know whether it was issued by the BMT ot the B of T since the letterhead is missing. The instructions, however indicate that only the cab at the C/R position was to be kept transverse, but all other cabs were to be in the corner configuration because in the off side of the cabs there was a passenger seat. When I asked M/M about that he told me that “they” wanted the cabs to be kept transverse. I never did figure out who “they” who wanted the crews to violate the instructions were. When I was still working for the TA I came across a similar situation in which a supt told me that “they” told the supervisors to go easy on a particular operating rule. As a mgr myself, my take on something like that is that if “they” didn’t put it in writing, then “they” never said it. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jul 12 07:15:16 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] BMT Multi Section Motorman's Cabs, posted by randyo on Sat Jul 12 03:31:11 2025. Didn't the BMT standards have jumpers installed when they were modified for MUDC? IINM the Triplexes had internal door controls that did not trainline as well as external controls that did. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Sat Jul 12 18:07:42 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] BMT Multi Section Motorman's Cabs, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jul 12 07:15:16 2025. Yes the AB Standards did use jumpers for door control since the automatic couplers didn't have a sufficient number of contacts for that purpose. This problem was solved by the time the R1-9 cars were built a few years later. |
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Posted by gbs on Sat Jul 12 22:29:11 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] BMT Multi Section Motorman's Cabs, posted by randyo on Sat Jul 12 03:44:00 2025. One rule violation that seemed to be tolerated (maybe still is) is the papering-over of the window on the R46 cab door. In some cases there have been coats and bags hanging inside the cab over the window blocking the view. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jul 13 12:35:53 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] BMT Multi Section Motorman's Cabs, posted by gbs on Sat Jul 12 22:29:11 2025. They don't want spilt coffee or other liquids rolling into the cab and ruining their property. Bugs too. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jul 14 02:05:33 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] BMT Multi Section Motorman's Cabs, posted by gbs on Sat Jul 12 22:29:11 2025. That’’s actually the rule I was referring to. When I brought to the attention of one of the line supts that many T/Os were violating that rule he told me that ”they told us to go easy on that one.” As i mentioned in my other post. as far as I am concerned, if “they” didn’t put it in writing then “they” never said it. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jul 14 02:07:33 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] BMT Multi Section Motorman's Cabs, posted by murray1575 on Sat Jul 12 18:07:42 2025. Yet for some reason even though the electric portions on the D types and Multis had enough contacts to allow for door circuits, the BMT chose to keep the door circuits separate. |
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[PHOTOS] More Motorman's Cabs |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jul 14 10:19:39 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] BMT Multi Section Motorman's Cabs, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jul 11 13:16:04 2025.  BMT "Bluebird" motorman's cab.  The stainless steel Budd built BMT "Zephry" motorman's cab  SIRT ME 1 Motorman's cab mothballed at Tottenville, SI (February 1981).  R-42 undegoing general overhaul at M & K in Hornell, NY (Sept 14, 1988)  Cab view of R1/9 in service on the Nostalgia Special forty eight years ago, speeding somewhere along the Fulton St subway enroute to the Rockaways. (July 1977)  Not a motorman's cab but an engineer's cab. SEPTA MP-54 fantrip at Chestnut Hill, PA Grilled cheeze on toast sandwich not SEPTA authorized. lol (April 29, 1979) 
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jul 14 13:33:13 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] BMT Multi Section Motorman's Cabs, posted by randyo on Mon Jul 14 02:05:33 2025. The motormen don't want the "railfan element" looking at them even with the blurry vision. |
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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Mon Jul 14 14:04:16 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] BMT Multi Section Motorman's Cabs, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jul 11 13:16:04 2025. COOL!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Re: [PHOTOS] More Motorman's Cabs |
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Posted by zac on Mon Jul 14 17:24:48 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] More Motorman's Cabs, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jul 14 10:19:39 2025. Gate car controller taken at the Parade of Trains just last month. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Jul 14 17:24:54 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] More Motorman's Cabs, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jul 14 10:19:39 2025. I always liked how bare the old cabs are versus the cushy ones of today. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jul 14 18:45:13 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] More Motorman's Cabs, posted by zac on Mon Jul 14 17:24:48 2025. The elevator control.:) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jul 14 18:46:16 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] BMT Multi Section Motorman's Cabs, posted by randyo on Mon Jul 14 02:07:33 2025. Didn't the Triplexes have trainline pins for the external door controls? |
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Re: [PHOTOS] More Motorman's Cabs |
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Posted by zac on Mon Jul 14 20:37:57 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] More Motorman's Cabs, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jul 14 18:45:13 2025. I remember those from A&S. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jul 15 03:41:39 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] BMT Multi Section Motorman's Cabs, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jul 14 13:33:13 2025. Not the motorman’s call. back when the Mulltis had a similar setup, no BMT M/M worth his salt would dare cover the cab window over! |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jul 15 03:43:50 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] BMT Multi Section Motorman's Cabs, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jul 14 18:46:16 2025. Not that I know of. They had door jumpers at waist level like the Mulltis. At the C/R position, the jumpers were not connected, but elsewhere in the train where 2 units were coupled, the jumpers were connected. |
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Re: [PHOTOS] More Motorman's Cabs |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jul 15 03:51:30 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] More Motorman's Cabs, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jul 14 18:45:13 2025. Photo #2 is NOT the Bluebird. It is the Pullman built Green Hornet. The Bluebird had a single handled “cineston” type controller of which there are only 2 left. The controller from 8000A is at Shore Line Museum in Connecticut and the controller from 8000A1 is in my apartment. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 15 05:18:56 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] More Motorman's Cabs, posted by randyo on Tue Jul 15 03:51:30 2025. But it still has faucet handles.:) |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Jul 15 06:37:56 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] More Motorman's Cabs, posted by randyo on Tue Jul 15 03:51:30 2025. Photo #2 is NOT the Bluebird. It is the Pullman built Green Hornet.Thank you, I'll make the correction in my photo file. Bill M. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jul 15 08:40:36 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] BMT Multi Section Motorman's Cabs, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jul 14 13:33:13 2025. I always thought that they wanted the speedometer hidden. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 15 18:56:14 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] BMT Multi Section Motorman's Cabs, posted by randyo on Tue Jul 15 03:43:50 2025. So it wasn't until the R-1s came along that you had trainline door controls in the electric portions. |
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