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Graffiti culture

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 13 23:35:14 2025

Some people worship graffiti culture and idolize the vandals.

In 1984 I went to the Beat Street as soon as it came out. I wanted to have fun seeing locations, like Fresh Pond Yard, NYCTM, and all the different types of equipment.

What lines were most vandalized? What yards and layups were most vandalized?

I think the IRT was the worst. Probably the 2 and 5 trains took a beating. And they usually had full car, top-to-bottom spray paint jobs. I guess vandals knew 50ft cars needed less paint than 60ft and 75ft cars?

The R27/30 cars seemed to be the worst in the B Division. Vandals knew about City Hall on Broadway BMT. Fresh Pond Yard was considered an easy target. One time we stopped a softball game while kids ran from the yard then under a fence to the baseball field to escape. Guess someone chased them.

Graffiti is one thing I don't miss.



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Re: Graffiti culture

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 14 01:02:57 2025, in response to Graffiti culture, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 13 23:35:14 2025.

IMO, the 4,5,6 lines stick out in my mind, just as the GG R10s and Eastern Division R16s did as well.

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Re: Graffiti culture

Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 14 01:16:22 2025, in response to Re: Graffiti culture, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 14 01:02:57 2025.

The R-10's are always discussed and people admire IZ and hus tag. But I rarely see full car, top to bottom graffiti on the R-10.

Ditto R27/30 although once I saw full car job on the J.

The only reason I know about IZ is because people bring it up.

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Re: Graffiti culture

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 14 04:19:50 2025, in response to Re: Graffiti culture, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 14 01:16:22 2025.

IZ THE WIZ is no longer with us.

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Re: Graffiti culture

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 14 10:39:39 2025, in response to Graffiti culture, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 13 23:35:14 2025.

Grafitti on stainless steel didn't look as.good and until 1984 no IRT cars were made of it so the IRT got the brunt of the tagging.

All yards were vulnerable until they took the matter seriously beginning in 1984

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Re: Graffiti culture

Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 14 11:31:05 2025, in response to Re: Graffiti culture, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 14 10:39:39 2025.

I think some yards were riskier for vandals.

Westchester Yard
207 Yard
CIY
Jamaica Yard
Livonia Yard
Pitkin Yard
Corona Yard
240 Yard on the 1 line


Interesting point about stainless steel. I don't think that mattered. IRT got beat up because South Bronx was a graffiti hot spot and vandals wanted to target the neighborhood trains. If R62's came out years earlier they would have been destroyed.

Do you think the movie Beat Street motivated the MTA to up their game against vandals?

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Re: Graffiti culture

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Mar 14 11:58:55 2025, in response to Re: Graffiti culture, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 14 11:31:05 2025.

IIRC, Corona yard was surrounded by chain link and razor ribboned fencing with a concrete moat patrolled by dogs. After awhile, protests got loud and the dogs were removed.


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Re: Graffiti culture

Posted by Steamdriven on Fri Mar 14 12:51:31 2025, in response to Re: Graffiti culture, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Mar 14 11:58:55 2025.

Anyone with time to protest during working hours needs to be ignored.
If it's people with jobs or who are retired, that show up to a public feedback meeting at 7pm on a Thursday, I'd listen with care.
If they're part of an activist group, do whatever they don't want.

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Re: Graffiti culture

Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 14 13:07:21 2025, in response to Re: Graffiti culture, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Mar 14 11:58:55 2025.

Who protested? Animal rights activists?

There are no residents anywhere near the yard.

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Re: Graffiti culture

Posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Mar 14 13:49:17 2025, in response to Graffiti culture, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 13 23:35:14 2025.

I was watching trains at Harrisburg and a non-railfan friend mentioned that some of the tags on the autoracks were really good. Also, while still the minority, there's been a trend towards more mural art. Both of these observations makes me wonder if there's been an overall bump in quality compared to the 80s.

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Re: Graffiti culture

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Mar 14 15:15:20 2025, in response to Re: Graffiti culture, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 14 13:07:21 2025.

"Animal rights activists?"

Bingo!

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Re: Graffiti culture

Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 14 18:06:39 2025, in response to Re: Graffiti culture, posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Mar 14 13:49:17 2025.

The mural work is definitely more elaborate now compared to the 80's.

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Re: Graffiti culture

Posted by W.B. on Sat Mar 15 06:03:02 2025, in response to Re: Graffiti culture, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 14 01:02:57 2025.

Yeah, of the "B" Division lot the R-16's seemed to get it worst of all.

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Re: Graffiti culture

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 15 11:31:26 2025, in response to Graffiti culture, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 13 23:35:14 2025.

POOR R 21 -22 -

WOW DID THEY EVER GET TAGGED

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Re: Graffiti anticulture

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 17 05:34:24 2025, in response to Graffiti culture, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 13 23:35:14 2025.

Graffiti is one thing I don't miss

Then why did you bring it up, #37?

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Re: Graffiti culture

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Mar 17 07:51:38 2025, in response to Re: Graffiti culture, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 15 11:31:26 2025.

Yeah they did.

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[PHOTO] Re: Graffiti culture

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Mar 18 09:19:26 2025, in response to Re: Graffiti culture, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Mar 15 11:31:26 2025.

POOR R 21 -22 - WOW DID THEY EVER GET TAGGED
233rd St & Broadway (April 1976)
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Re: [PHOTO] Re: Graffiti culture

Posted by Joe on Tue Mar 18 11:21:28 2025, in response to [PHOTO] Re: Graffiti culture, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Mar 18 09:19:26 2025.

Quite puzzled by the title added above the photo. Not Broadway.
Joe

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Re: [PHOTO] Re: Graffiti culture

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Mar 18 11:58:31 2025, in response to [PHOTO] Re: Graffiti culture, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Mar 18 09:19:26 2025.

You should see some of the freight "art" thats out there. Shown here is a CSX train just south of Conway Yard in western Pa.

DSCN1154

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Re: [PHOTO] Re: Graffiti culture

Posted by Italianstallion on Tue Mar 18 13:33:27 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Graffiti culture, posted by Joe on Tue Mar 18 11:21:28 2025.

Yep, no 2 trains there.

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Re: [PHOTO] Re: Graffiti culture

Posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Mar 18 13:57:01 2025, in response to [PHOTO] Re: Graffiti culture, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Mar 18 09:19:26 2025.

Disgusting

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Re: [PHOTO] Re: Graffiti culture

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Mar 18 14:09:18 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Graffiti culture, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Mar 18 11:58:31 2025.

I'm a fan of "Tubby". He's actually "all world"

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Re: [PHOTO] Re: Graffiti culture

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Mar 18 18:52:22 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Graffiti culture, posted by Joe on Tue Mar 18 11:21:28 2025.

Quite puzzled by the title added above the photo. Not Broadway.

That's the location that was written on the slide mount. Is this the 233rd St station ? If so, could this train be bearing incorrect signs ?

Bill M.

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Re: [PHOTO] Re: Graffiti anticulture

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 18 20:43:58 2025, in response to [PHOTO] Re: Graffiti culture, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Mar 18 09:19:26 2025.

Bad days. Made one definitely want to drive around the city.

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Re: [PHOTO] Re: Graffiti culture

Posted by mcorivervsaf on Wed Mar 19 01:34:12 2025, in response to [PHOTO] Re: Graffiti culture, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Mar 18 09:19:26 2025.

233rd Street & Broadway (April 1976)

This is actually 233rd Street & White Plains Road.

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Re: [PHOTO] Re: Graffiti culture

Posted by randyo on Wed Mar 19 03:52:40 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Graffiti culture, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Mar 18 18:52:22 2025.

It is 233rd St but it is on White Plains Rd, NOT Broadway!

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Re: [PHOTO] Re: Graffiti culture

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Mar 19 06:52:55 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Graffiti culture, posted by randyo on Wed Mar 19 03:52:40 2025.

It is 233rd St but it is on White Plains Rd, NOT Broadway!


Okay thank you.

Bill M.

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Re: [PHOTO] Re: Graffiti culture

Posted by Italianstallion on Wed Mar 19 17:20:25 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Graffiti culture, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Mar 18 18:52:22 2025.

There’s no 233rd St. station on Broadway.

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Re: Graffiti culture

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Mar 19 18:13:12 2025, in response to Re: Graffiti culture, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 14 18:06:39 2025.

I used to think they were elaborate, until one that I thought was particularly creative on an autorack I later spotted on an ad for a terrible cartoon on showtime or some pay channel.
May as well be corporate creatives using instagram for ideas.

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