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France bans short-haul domestic flights, goes with rail travel only (also cars to e-bikes)

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 3 21:33:45 2022

Euronews

It’s official: France bans short haul domestic flights in favor of train travel

France has been given the green light to ban short haul domestic flights.

The European Commission has approved the move, which will abolish flights between cities that are linked by a train journey of less than 2.5 hours.

The decision was announced on Friday. The changes are part of the country’s 2021 Climate Law.

France is also cracking down on the use of private jets for short journeys in a bid to make transport greener and fairer for the population.

Transport minister Clément Beaune said the country could no longer tolerate the super-rich using private planes while the public are making cutbacks to deal with the energy crisis and climate change.

France has officially been given the go-ahead to halt environmentally-damaging domestic flights.

Initially, the ban will only affect routes between Paris Orly and Nantes, Lyon, and Bordeaux.

Connecting flights will also have to follow these new rules.

When the measures were first announced, they were contested by the Union of French Airports (UAF) as well as the European branch of the Airports Council International (ACI Europe).

This prompted an in-depth investigation by the European Commission into whether the plan could go ahead or not.

A European Air Services Regulation article states that a member state may, “where there are serious environmental problems […] limit or refuse the exercise of traffic rights, in particular where other modes of transport provide a satisfactory service.”

The Commission gave its approval on Friday, making it the first time this article has been invoked by an EU member state.

The ban on short-haul flights will be valid for three years, after which it must be reassessed by the Commission.

"[This] is a major step forward in the policy of reducing greenhouse gas emissions," transport minister Beaune said in a press release.

“I am proud that France is a pioneer in this area,” he added.

Sarah Fayolle, Greenpeace France transport campaign manager, told Euronews that there were both “negative and positive aspects” to the European Commission’s decision given that only three routes are affected.

“It’s going in the right direction, but the initial measure is one that’s (not very) ambitious. We must go even further,” she said.

When will France's flight ban come into effect?

Although the law came into force last year, it will take a while for the ban to come into force.

The measures need to be submitted for public consultation and reviewed by the Council of State, Beaune explained.

He added that this would be done “as quickly as possible.”

Is France going to ban private jets completely?

Private jets have been a source of outrage lately, as the city-hopping exploits of celebrities and billionaires come to light. A jet belonging to Steven Spielberg burned around €117,000 worth of fuel in the two months since June, according to flight tracking data.

A report from Transport and Environment (T&E), the European federation for clean transport, found that private jets are up to 14 times more polluting than commercial flights per passenger mile, and 50 times worse than trains.

Despite urgent calls from campaigners, France is unlikely to impose a total ban on jets.

Government spokesman Olivier Véran reaffirmed today that it is “obviously not a question of banning them,” given their important role in the economy. But “the French should not have to feel as if it’s always the same people who are being asked to make efforts.”

“We can understand that a Frenchman who is careful in his daily life is shocked by the fact that some of his fellow citizens can take a private jet to make flea jumps”, he told France Inter radio listeners this morning.

Heavy taxation and restrictions are the most likely measures to be introduced. Companies could also be forced to publish details on their use of corporate aircraft, for greater transparency.

How does France compare to other European nations?

It’s for good reason that France is looking to curb the gas-guzzling age of air travel. The country has the highest number of private jets in Europe according to recent aviation data, with frequent fliers to Paris and the French Riviera.

A tenth of all departure flights in 2019 were by private jets, T&E research found, with half travelling less than 300 miles.

But the government also believes that EU-wide action is the best way to tackle the problem. Beaune said he would push the issue at an upcoming European transport ministers’ meeting in October.

“The Minister of Transport proposes to carry out a consultation at European level to see if there are ways to offset CO2 emissions,” added Véran.

France is also incentivizing people to switch from cars to bikes

As part of President Macron’s plea for “collective sobriety” in energy use, French citizens are also being encouraged to trade in their cars for electric bikes.

A maximum of €4,000 is available to low-income households in low-emission zones to subsidize the switch, with smaller amounts to help wealthier citizens.

Last week’s extension to ‘Le Plan Vélo’ — which launched last year — is intended to help the French catch up with the bike-loving Dutch, Germans and Danes.

The aim is to get 9 percent of the country on two-wheels by 2024, compared to the current proportion of 3 percent (the Netherlands boasts 27 percent cyclists).

France isn’t the only country getting things right in this regard, of course. The bike subsidy scheme is based on the hugely successful rollout of e-bikes, scooters and mopeds in Lithuania, where, since 2020, people have been given up to €1,000 for handing in their old vehicle. This can even go towards public transportation credits.


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Re: France bans short-haul domestic flights, goes with rail travel only (also cars to e-bikes)

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Dec 3 22:06:38 2022, in response to France bans short-haul domestic flights, goes with rail travel only (also cars to e-bikes), posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 3 21:33:45 2022.

Fuck You



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Re: France bans short-haul domestic flights, goes with rail travel only (also cars to e-bikes)

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Dec 3 23:23:29 2022, in response to France bans short-haul domestic flights, goes with rail travel only (also cars to e-bikes), posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 3 21:33:45 2022.

Fuck those frogs, the shithole of WEstern Europe

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Re: France bans short-haul domestic flights, goes with rail travel only (also cars to e-bikes)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 3 23:27:05 2022, in response to Re: France bans short-haul domestic flights, goes with rail travel only (also cars to e-bikes), posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Dec 3 23:23:29 2022.

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Re: France bans short-haul domestic flights, goes with rail travel only (also cars to e-bikes)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 3 23:27:14 2022, in response to Re: France bans short-haul domestic flights, goes with rail travel only (also cars to e-bikes), posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Dec 3 22:06:38 2022.

IAWTP

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Re: France bans short-haul domestic flights, goes with rail travel only (also cars to e-bikes)

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 4 00:45:36 2022, in response to Re: France bans short-haul domestic flights, goes with rail travel only (also cars to e-bikes), posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Dec 3 23:23:29 2022.

Ouch. That sounds personal.

Well, we'll see if the gilets jaunes can stop Macron from turning France into 1990s Red China. The same Macron just reopened coal-burning power plants; his bureaucrats called it a "necessary evil" (but if you want more electric trains, you gotta keep them running).

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Re: France bans short-haul domestic flights, goes with rail travel only (also cars to e-bikes)

Posted by Easy on Sun Dec 4 00:50:24 2022, in response to France bans short-haul domestic flights, goes with rail travel only (also cars to e-bikes), posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 3 21:33:45 2022.

The problem is domestic flights from a smaller city to catch an international flight and vice versa on the return. It's much easier to go from airport to airport than train station to train station to airport. The article isn't clear but I don't think that any of those flights are actually banned. France also isn't the first country to ban short domestic flights either. It's just that those flights are so rare that some of the bans don't actually ban anything.

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Re: France bans short-haul domestic flights, goes with rail travel only (also cars to e-bikes)

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 4 01:44:42 2022, in response to Re: France bans short-haul domestic flights, goes with rail travel only (also cars to e-bikes), posted by Easy on Sun Dec 4 00:50:24 2022.

Hey; they want to chest-beat, it's on them when they look stupid afterwards.

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Re: France bans short-haul domestic flights, goes with rail travel only (also cars to e-bikes)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 4 02:10:13 2022, in response to Re: France bans short-haul domestic flights, goes with rail travel only (also cars to e-bikes), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 4 00:45:36 2022.

Fuck you.

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Re: France bans short-haul domestic flights, goes with rail travel only (also cars to e-bikes)

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Dec 4 02:39:20 2022, in response to Re: France bans short-haul domestic flights, goes with rail travel only (also cars to e-bikes), posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 3 23:27:05 2022.

Figures

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Re: France bans short-haul domestic flights, goes with rail travel only (also cars to e-bikes)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 4 03:06:53 2022, in response to Re: France bans short-haul domestic flights, goes with rail travel only (also cars to e-bikes), posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Dec 4 02:39:20 2022.

WHAT?????????

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Re: France bans short-haul domestic flights, goes with rail travel only (also cars to e-bikes)

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Dec 4 05:13:20 2022, in response to Re: France bans short-haul domestic flights, goes with rail travel only (also cars to e-bikes), posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Dec 3 23:23:29 2022.

Yep, I agree

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Re: France bans short-haul domestic flights, goes with rail travel only (also cars to e-bikes)

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 4 21:44:07 2022, in response to Re: France bans short-haul domestic flights, goes with rail travel only (also cars to e-bikes), posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 4 02:10:13 2022.

Not gonna work, punk.

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Re: France bans short-haul domestic flights, goes with rail travel only (also cars to e-bikes)

Posted by Italianstallion on Mon Dec 5 00:23:15 2022, in response to Re: France bans short-haul domestic flights, goes with rail travel only (also cars to e-bikes), posted by Easy on Sun Dec 4 00:50:24 2022.

The major airports in Paris have train stations. So connecting trains are no problem.

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Re: France bans short-haul domestic flights, goes with rail travel only (also cars to e-bikes)

Posted by Italianstallion on Mon Dec 5 00:24:14 2022, in response to France bans short-haul domestic flights, goes with rail travel only (also cars to e-bikes), posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 3 21:33:45 2022.

Why wouldn’t anyone on this board be in favor of encouraging trains over planes?

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Re: France bans short-haul domestic flights, goes with rail travel only (also cars to e-bikes)

Posted by Italianstallion on Mon Dec 5 00:24:46 2022, in response to Re: France bans short-haul domestic flights, goes with rail travel only (also cars to e-bikes), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 4 00:45:36 2022.

Why do you hate trains?

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Re: France bans short-haul domestic flights, goes with rail travel only (also cars to e-bikes)

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 5 02:16:13 2022, in response to Re: France bans short-haul domestic flights, goes with rail travel only (also cars to e-bikes), posted by Italianstallion on Mon Dec 5 00:24:46 2022.

I hate state-mandated trains that you get forced onto. Trains need to be a choice and not a mandate.

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