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Re: Holiday train will make express stops only |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Dec 2 19:55:20 2022, in response to Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by zac on Fri Dec 2 19:39:55 2022. Crowds and delays were mentioned in Facebook comments. |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Fri Dec 2 20:30:28 2022, in response to Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Dec 2 19:55:20 2022. Its the changing of cars on the platform at each stop. Pax running from one car to the other trying to make it before the doors close or more likely doors close on them.It was crazy the one trip I did, every stop people running on the platform over regular customers. Added a new dimension to the normal stares at the strange train. Now you had stares at the train and stares at the strange people running from car to car. I know it happens when there is a smell on one car but this was multiple cars people running this way and that. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Fri Dec 2 21:44:38 2022, in response to Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Dec 2 19:55:20 2022. Happened on the first day, when I boarded the 2:00pm uptown run at 42nd Street-Times Square inside R-33WF car #9308, and it went express, with the additional stop at 59th Street-Columbus Circle, a major transfer point with the IND "A", "C" and "D" trains. I heard on the first day that a disruptive passenger was thrown out and off the train too!The TM crew made that decision midway through the runs during the day to speed it up, and not clog up the regular #1 train local schedule. Also, even now going limited express on the local track, the Holiday train at a reduced speed bypassing stations becomes a rolling advertising billboard for the NYTM. -William A. Padron ["(1) Broadway-7 Av"] |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Dec 2 22:04:05 2022, in response to Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Dec 2 19:55:20 2022. There was a delay because of some road work on the northern end of the line. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Dec 3 13:27:48 2022, in response to Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Fri Dec 2 20:30:28 2022. A year or two after they implemented the policy of no moving between cars within a train, I was on the holiday train at Queens Plaza, and I specifically asked a policeman on the train if it was OK to move between cars on THAT train, and he said yes. I guess the MTA higher-ups have overruled that. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Dec 3 15:14:23 2022, in response to Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Dec 3 13:27:48 2022. Looking at past Holiday Train videos, the storm doors on the IND old timers were kept open between cars. You could see people moving freely from car to car. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Sat Dec 3 19:11:30 2022, in response to Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Dec 3 15:14:23 2022. I always did, and still do, especially when I'm shooting videos. At my age, being a life long NY'er, I can negotiate the cars relatively safely.What bothers me is when the "youthful" looking folks with their little kids go parading through the cars fearless of any gaps that be present. That's where MTA personnel need to put their foot (feet) down. |
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Posted by zac on Sat Dec 3 21:40:32 2022, in response to Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by r17-6599 on Sat Dec 3 19:11:30 2022. Passing between cars was taken for granted in the old days. Nobody gave it a thought. It was only on the standards where you couldn't do that, and then much later on the R44/46 and also the R68. On the R1/9 holiday train everybody acted the way we always did on those. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 4 00:53:52 2022, in response to Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Fri Dec 2 20:30:28 2022. Don't all 10 cars look the same on the inside except 9307/08 because of the axi-flow fans, making movements between cars at stations silly? |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Dec 4 01:05:00 2022, in response to Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 4 00:53:52 2022. Basically |
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Posted by gbs on Sun Dec 4 01:36:53 2022, in response to Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by zac on Sat Dec 3 21:40:32 2022. Before air conditioning, the storm doors were kept open in the summer by latches on the door frame. When the latch was extended horizontally, it caught the hook on the door latch and the door stayed open. When the door frame latch was folded down, it didn't catch the door latch and the door closed automatically. No one gave walking between the cars a second thought, especially when they were kept open. Even the R62s came with those door frame latches that could keep the storm doors open, even though they were all air conditioned. Eventually the door frame latches were removed, but the two holes in the frame were evidence that the latch used to be there. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Dec 4 02:43:38 2022, in response to Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by gbs on Sun Dec 4 01:36:53 2022. Reminds me of the time I was riding in an R-21 or R-22 mid-train. It was a hot summer day, and I noticed that the storm door at the front of the car (based on the direction we were traveling) was closed. I went over to open it and discovered that the latch was either missing or not working, I forget exactly which. Then a light bulb went on, and I opened the storm door window. Wasn't as good as having the whole door open, but it definitely helped. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sun Dec 4 04:45:02 2022, in response to Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Dec 4 01:05:00 2022. Just like the R-1/9's when they were in Holiday Train service, except for R-7A #1575, the almost R-10 but not really mechanically.-William A. Padron ["a.c.f."] |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Dec 4 07:02:07 2022, in response to Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by William A. Padron on Sun Dec 4 04:45:02 2022. Yes |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Mon Dec 5 00:41:11 2022, in response to Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by zac on Sat Dec 3 21:40:32 2022. For a time, until safety gates were installed, the slant R40s had the doors locked.We loved riding between the slopes before the safety stuff was added. Quite a thrill. Although we were seasoned subway riders, and held onto the grab irons or door handles, there were some who didn't; some paid a price. The Holiday trains have TM people at the car ends to discourage passage. Those ones with little kids are worrisome. If they don't hold onto their hands, that's courting trouble. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Dec 5 00:41:43 2022, in response to Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by William A. Padron on Sun Dec 4 04:45:02 2022. The R-10 wannabe, the butt of jokes among other SMEEs, etc.:) |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Dec 5 01:27:49 2022, in response to Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Dec 4 01:05:00 2022. The ex-Redbird now in green paint has the doors inside the car painted green. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Dec 5 08:15:16 2022, in response to Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by r17-6599 on Mon Dec 5 00:41:11 2022. The R-40s only had the doors locked on the #1 (slant) ends of the cars. the #2 ends which were straight were unlocked. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Dec 5 08:36:20 2022, in response to Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by randyo on Mon Dec 5 08:15:16 2022. Thanks, randyo |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Mon Dec 5 11:41:58 2022, in response to Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by randyo on Mon Dec 5 08:15:16 2022. I never said otherwise. But before they were locked, it was fun to ride 'tween the slants. |
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Posted by irtredbirdr33 on Mon Dec 5 12:36:54 2022, in response to Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by r17-6599 on Mon Dec 5 00:41:11 2022. R-17: I remember riding the Lo-V on the Lexington Avenue Express in the days before a/c. We would ride in between the cars until the train came out of the tunnel. Nowadays we would probably be arrested for that. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Dec 5 12:53:03 2022, in response to Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Dec 5 01:27:49 2022. I didn’t ride on them. If I go back one Sunday I’ll check it out |
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Posted by zac on Mon Dec 5 22:12:44 2022, in response to Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Dec 4 02:43:38 2022. That was another thing. If you were lucky the train had an R21/22 in front where the window was easy to open. You'd see the R16 and R17 sometimes too with it open. Nowadays the air in the tunnels in the summer is hot from the AC. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Mon Dec 5 22:40:07 2022, in response to Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Mon Dec 5 12:36:54 2022. My friends and I would always ride 'tween cars, no matter the type, on warm days. No one dared climb the safety chains to get on or off the train.I always enjoyed the storm door being opened and watching the safety chains swing back & forth, especially on the LoVs barreling along the expresses. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Dec 6 00:35:04 2022, in response to Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Mon Dec 5 12:36:54 2022. Even when new, the R-32s had a sticker on each storm door that said, "Riding between cars is prohibited!" |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Dec 6 08:06:21 2022, in response to Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Dec 5 12:53:03 2022. All the green GOHed cars had green doors to match the exterior just like the redbirds had red doors. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Dec 6 08:10:32 2022, in response to Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by zac on Mon Dec 5 22:12:44 2022. The 17s occasionally, but for some reason the shop crew at DO Yd decided to rivet the porthole windows shut by 1960. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Dec 6 11:07:35 2022, in response to Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Dec 6 00:35:04 2022. 
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Dec 6 15:06:08 2022, in response to Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by zac on Mon Dec 5 22:12:44 2022. My fondest subway memories are riding at the open RFW of an R-21 or R-22. Not just for the breeze, but the sounds. Especially on the 2 to Newlots Av when going to my grandmother's house. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Dec 6 16:19:58 2022, in response to Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Dec 6 15:06:08 2022. My best memories of the R21/22 was on the #1 line between 137th and Dyckman St. in the hot summertime with the top of that RFW down enjoying the breeze on my face. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Dec 7 02:09:18 2022, in response to [SCAN] Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Dec 6 11:07:35 2022. That's the one! |
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Posted by zac on Fri Dec 9 02:45:31 2022, in response to Re: [SCAN] Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Dec 7 02:09:18 2022. And then there is: "La via del tren subterraneo es peligrosa. Si el tren se para entre les estacciones, no salga afuera. Siga las instrucciones..."I never learned Spanish and yet I can still recite that from memory. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Dec 9 13:01:18 2022, in response to Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by zac on Fri Dec 2 19:39:55 2022. God damit, I made alternate weekend plans this year because the holiday trips weren't really offering anything interesting like an express run. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Dec 9 15:13:24 2022, in response to Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Dec 9 13:01:18 2022. I wouldn’t feel too bad |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Fri Dec 9 15:51:56 2022, in response to Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by zac on Fri Dec 2 19:39:55 2022. I was hoping for an R/1-9 Triplex combo like back in the day a few years ago.Another hope is for some private museums with vintage Staten Island cars and maybe Philly Broad Street vintage to make a debut!  |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Fri Dec 9 20:33:26 2022, in response to Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Dec 9 13:01:18 2022. It's not a true express, its express via the local track which is not as fun. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Dec 10 00:24:54 2022, in response to Re: [SCAN] Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by zac on Fri Dec 9 02:45:31 2022. That was the warning about subway tracks being dangerous. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Dec 10 00:28:39 2022, in response to Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Dec 6 16:19:58 2022. I rode on a few BMT standards with the drop sash window open on the front storm door. Not to mention R-21/22s. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Dec 10 10:30:52 2022, in response to Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Dec 10 00:28:39 2022. The RFW on the D Types had that feature too. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Sat Dec 10 13:49:52 2022, in response to Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Dec 10 10:30:52 2022. Bill, has the terminology changed at some point?When I was growing up, the RFW was the window on the extreme left of the car. The center was the storm door window. In either case, the drop down windows on the AB/D types were terrific, especially before sealed beam headlights were installed. Looking out the fronts, there was no glare back from the car's interior lights, and the dark tunnels added to the excitement, like being in the fun house of an amusement park. With the AB's having a very small anti-climber, we could actually feel like part of the train itself, with our heads out the window. Riding over the Manhattan Bridge to Brooklyn, we could feel being swallowed up as the train entered the dark tunnel, hearing every wheel click over the rail joints. Just not the same anymore. R17 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Dec 10 15:24:27 2022, in response to Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by r17-6599 on Sat Dec 10 13:49:52 2022. You are correct in that technically the RFW is one extreme left side. However, since on newer cars there was no such window on the end bulkheads, the storm door window came to be known as the RFW. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Sat Dec 10 15:39:00 2022, in response to Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Dec 10 15:24:27 2022. I see.Thanks R17 |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Dec 10 15:43:50 2022, in response to Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Dec 10 15:24:27 2022. Correct. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Dec 10 19:27:57 2022, in response to Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by zac on Fri Dec 2 19:39:55 2022. Note the "7"s on the columns. 
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 10 21:46:22 2022, in response to [PHOTO] Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Dec 10 19:27:57 2022. Could also be 157th St. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sat Dec 10 23:18:10 2022, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 10 21:46:22 2022. Yeah, that is indeed 157th Street, since it has a lower ceiling that 137th Street. Here is what that original 137th station looked like in 1005, before it received the CCNY designation in 1918 (with a newer mosaic tablet). From the collection of the nycsubway.org website... -William A. Padron ["Broadway Local"] |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Mon Dec 12 03:37:41 2022, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by William A. Padron on Sat Dec 10 23:18:10 2022. Here is what that original 137th station looked like in 1905...-William A. Padron ["<137>"] |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Dec 12 09:25:09 2022, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by William A. Padron on Mon Dec 12 03:37:41 2022. Where is it? |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Mon Dec 12 10:10:43 2022, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Holiday train will make express stops only, posted by randyo on Mon Dec 12 09:25:09 2022. Bill Newkirk's original posted photo was at 157th Street. The one I posted there as a reply was at 137th Street, long before the City College designation.-William A. Padron ["(1)"] |
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