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149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos
Posted by GojiMet86 on Fri Jul 1 20:01:52 2022 Bill NY A09137. https://www.billtrack50.com/BillDetail/1442140 The People of the State of New York, represented in Senate and Assembly, do enact as follows: Section 1. Upon a determination by the Metropolitan Transportation Authority or the New York City Transit Authority that sufficient funds have been committed to it specifically for such purpose, the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, the public benefit corporation created by section 1263 of the public authorities law, and the New York City Transit Authority, the public benefit corporation created by section 1201 of the public authorities law, shall use such specifically committed funds to rename the 149th Street Grand Concourse subway station shared by the IRT Jerome Avenue line and the IRT White Plains Road line of the New York city subway to the 149th Street-Hostos station. The MTA shall ensure that all signs and any other items issued by the MTA are updated to accurately reflect the new name of the station within ten months. Section 2. This act shall take effect immediately; and shall be deemed expired and repealed after the signs and any other items described in section one of this act are accurately updated. The chief executive officer of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority or president of the New York City Transit Authority shall notify the legislative bill drafting commission upon the completion of such updates in order that the commission may maintain an accurate and timely effective data base of the official text of the laws of the state of New York in furtherance of effectuating the provisions of section 44 of the legislative law and section 70-b of the public officers law. 149th Street-Hostos will be the 10th station with a college/university: 149th Street-Hostos 137th Street-City College of New York 116th Street-Columbia University 68th Street-Hunter College 8th Street-New York University Bedford Park Boulevard-Lehman College Flatbush Avenue-Brooklyn College Franklin Avenue-Medgar Evers College Jay Street-MetroTech President Street-Medgar Evers College
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Posted by ntrainride* on Fri Jul 1 20:20:06 2022, in response to 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by GojiMet86 on Fri Jul 1 20:01:52 2022.* i'm sorry but just leave the names of the fucking stations as they are. i dont care if the damned street name has changed. i hate the fucking mindset that comes up with these notions.
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Posted by r17-6599* on Fri Jul 1 21:02:31 2022, in response to Re: 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by ntrainride on Fri Jul 1 20:20:06 2022.* I wonder if any of these institutions maintain these stations in any form. Clean, paint, provide security. I doubt it!
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Posted by Pelham Exp* on Fri Jul 1 21:08:45 2022, in response to 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by GojiMet86 on Fri Jul 1 20:01:52 2022.* Dont Like...if you want naming rights you pay for it. I doubt Hostos is doing anything or making any contributions to the station. Someone (probably a lobbyist ) got paid off.
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train* on Fri Jul 1 21:45:43 2022, in response to Re: 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by r17-6599 on Fri Jul 1 21:02:31 2022.* The point of a station name is to aid pax in getting where they need to go. While I am not familiar w/ Hostos, if I wanted to go there, this would make it easier. Go down the road to where there used to be a tree , turn left...
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Posted by ntrainride* on Fri Jul 1 21:46:53 2022, in response to Re: 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by r17-6599 on Fri Jul 1 21:02:31 2022.* their logic has to be: "if two or three separate ajacent subway stations have different station names this may be confusing for passengers headed for that area if they had taken an unfamiliar train line that happens to go to to that area" the changeover of pacific street station and the two atantic avenue stations to one generic name is particularly irksome.
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train* on Fri Jul 1 21:47:38 2022, in response to Re: 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by Pelham Exp on Fri Jul 1 21:08:45 2022.* So if students don't become pax, you might have a point.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Fri Jul 1 21:57:21 2022, in response to Re: 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Jul 1 21:47:38 2022.* Red herring.
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Posted by ntrainride* on Fri Jul 1 22:12:15 2022, in response to Re: 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Jul 1 21:45:43 2022.* if someone wants to go to that school...would it really be wrong to assume that they know which street it's on? it's like they're trying to turn the world into sesame street.
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Posted by William A. Padron* on Fri Jul 1 22:21:48 2022, in response to 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by GojiMet86 on Fri Jul 1 20:01:52 2022.* My alma mater, Pace University, wanted to get the entire Fulton Street station mega complex (2-3-4-5-A-C-J-Z) co-named after them, but to this day, that never happened and probably never will. Their begging to the MTA did not help at all, and the stations are located two blocks south from Pace, which ironically is directly next to the Brooklyn Bridge-Chambers Street station [4-5-6-J-Z] anyway, with one of its entrances on the east side of Park Row near the bridge ramp. -William A. Padron ["Bway...Nassau"]
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Posted by ro_jo* on Fri Jul 1 22:37:15 2022, in response to Re: 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by r17-6599 on Fri Jul 1 21:02:31 2022.* Does the New York Times maintain the Times Square station? How about the NY Aquarium maintaining West 8th st? That's not really the point of a station name.. 149th is the 4th or 5th closest stop to my home, and I'm probably going to get used to the name change pretty quickly. The current set up is not very user friendly. - On the 2 and 5, there are multiple 149th st stops in a row (3av and GC) - On the 4 and 5 there are multiple GC stops in a row - Therefore, if you need to communicate instructions to someone you usually must say the full station name to disambiguate. - Layered on to the previous point is the reality that all 3 of the above-mentioned stations frequently are a part of service changes, and 149-GC is a major transfer point. Having a one-word name to refer to the station will come in handy. - Hostos itself is a reasonably large draw to the area around the station. Naming the station after a school that's right on top of the station seems well within station-naming conventions. - There's also the matter of having a "Concourse Line" which runs on "Grand Concourse" which is somehow not involved in the two stops with GC in the name. It's reasonable for things to change over time. 138-GC used to be named Mott Haven right? It's still in the tiling! I have old NY Central maps of MO that show Grand Concourse as Mott Street. Given enough time, I think it's reasonable for things to have their era and then pass along to time. Hostos has been in the area for 50+ years, perhaps this is its time to take the torch.
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Posted by William A. Padron* on Fri Jul 1 23:36:09 2022, in response to Re: 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by ro_jo on Fri Jul 1 22:37:15 2022.* I have old NY Central maps of MO that show Grand Concourse as Mott Street. Mott Avenue (Bronx), not Mott Street (Manhattan). -William A. Padron ["149th Street"]
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Posted by TransitChuckG* on Sat Jul 2 00:43:42 2022, in response to Re: 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Jul 1 23:36:09 2022.* Thanks, William A. Padron
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Posted by ntrainride* on Sat Jul 2 00:49:50 2022, in response to Re: 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by ro_jo on Fri Jul 1 22:37:15 2022.* no, that's dumb. a steeet is a street is a street. your logic, that after a while, for the new era, old street names are too hard for people nowadays to understand is what they call newspeak.
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train* on Sat Jul 2 02:41:59 2022, in response to Re: 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by ntrainride on Fri Jul 1 22:12:15 2022.* As a partisan of Sixth Avenue rather than the Ave ofthe Americas, I have some sympathy for retaining traditional names. That said, IMHO the naming of rail stations is supposed to aid pax in getting to their destinations. For the first 6 decades of my life, the downtown terminal of the Metra Electric (former Illinois Central was Randolph Street. Then they built a park on a deck over the tracks so I have had to learn to call the station Millennium Park.
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train* on Sat Jul 2 02:48:34 2022, in response to Re: 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by ntrainride on Sat Jul 2 00:49:50 2022.* My copy of a history of Chicago streetcars has two pages of street name changes--many as thecity boundary moved into previous suburban towns.
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Posted by Allan* on Sat Jul 2 10:47:39 2022, in response to Re: 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by ro_jo on Fri Jul 1 22:37:15 2022.* 'Does the New York Times maintain the Times Square station?' That area was originally called Longacre Square. It was renamed Times Square after the NYT because they moved into the building above the new station (the same year the subway opened - 1904)
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Posted by Allan* on Sat Jul 2 10:59:40 2022, in response to 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by GojiMet86 on Fri Jul 1 20:01:52 2022.* MetroTech is not a school. It is a grouping of modern office buildings. (I worked in 4 MetroTech for a number of years. It was not named after Brooklyn Technical High School.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sat Jul 2 13:03:23 2022, in response to Re: 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by Pelham Exp on Fri Jul 1 21:08:45 2022.* This is a public community college, owned and operated by the state for the public benefit. By your logic, we shouldn’t have stations named after parks or public buildings (like City Hall or Borough Hall) either.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sat Jul 2 13:08:35 2022, in response to Re: 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by Allan on Sat Jul 2 10:59:40 2022.* Metrotech was a venture involving Polytechnic University (now NYU-Tandon) and is named after it. Thus, it’s an indirect naming.
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Posted by Italianstallion* on Sat Jul 2 15:20:49 2022, in response to Re: 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 2 13:03:23 2022.* Right!
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Posted by r17-6599* on Sat Jul 2 16:15:11 2022, in response to Re: 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Jul 1 21:45:43 2022.* Not necessarily so. 149th street isn't hard to find at all. Add to that the Grand Concourse. Like locus on a graph, it can be found. Herald Sq is meaningless today. The NY Herald doesn't exist anymore.
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Posted by AlM* on Sat Jul 2 16:55:55 2022, in response to Re: 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by r17-6599 on Sat Jul 2 16:15:11 2022.* The NY Herald doesn't exist anymore. "Macy's Herald Square" still does, however.
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train* on Sat Jul 2 18:03:17 2022, in response to Re: 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by r17-6599 on Sat Jul 2 16:15:11 2022.* Like I said go until you get to where there used to be a tree and turn left. In Chicago, several segments of Devon (a major commercial avenue running E-W on the North Side) have a secondary name honoring various political persons. The Devon name and addressing ## remain the legal addresses but a secondary sign hangs below the main sign.
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Posted by Dyre Dan* on Sat Jul 2 20:20:41 2022, in response to 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by GojiMet86 on Fri Jul 1 20:01:52 2022.* Have other station renamings been mandated by state law? Anyway, is MetroTech a "college/university"? I thought it was more of a corporate park.
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Posted by ro_jo* on Sat Jul 2 23:07:29 2022, in response to Re: 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Jul 2 00:43:42 2022.* Yes nice pic
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Posted by r17-6599* on Sat Jul 2 23:18:27 2022, in response to Re: 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by AlM on Sat Jul 2 16:55:55 2022.* Tell that to Macy's.
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Posted by trains61* on Sun Jul 3 02:35:15 2022, in response to Re: 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 2 13:08:35 2022.* Correct. The Lurkers` Guild Polytechnic University Pre-Engineering course 1978
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Posted by randyo* on Sun Jul 3 02:35:46 2022, in response to 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by GojiMet86 on Fri Jul 1 20:01:52 2022.* I seem to recall 242 St Bway Van Cortlandt Pk as having “Manhattan College” on the sign.
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Posted by Pelham Exp* on Sun Jul 3 07:02:31 2022, in response to Re: 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 2 13:03:23 2022.* More NY State wasteful spending on changing signs and maps for such a ridiculous name change.
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Posted by AlM* on Sun Jul 3 08:51:53 2022, in response to Re: 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by Pelham Exp on Sun Jul 3 07:02:31 2022.* What percentage of the MTA's budget do you think goes for name changes?
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Posted by r17-6599* on Sun Jul 3 10:25:20 2022, in response to Re: 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by ntrainride on Fri Jul 1 21:46:53 2022.* I still can't see it. Three 149th streets, on 3 different cross streets. How confusing can that be? I recall as far back as the Ronan days they (MTA) was talking about station "adoptions" by corporations, etc in order to help maintain that particular station. I believe it was stated other cities had tried that. What became of this? Yes, I did like Atlantic Ave and Pacific Street.
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Posted by r17-6599* on Sun Jul 3 10:27:38 2022, in response to Re: 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by Allan on Sat Jul 2 10:59:40 2022.* Allen, I worked at 4 also. 1995-2001. Enjoyed riding the old BMT but mostly the (D) to Dekalb.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sun Jul 3 11:55:29 2022, in response to Re: 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by Pelham Exp on Sun Jul 3 07:02:31 2022.* What a stupid response. This likely to be spectacularly cheap compared to pretty much anything the MTA does. You right wingers seem to decry any tiny spending on anything that might actually be useful to the public.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sun Jul 3 11:56:36 2022, in response to Re: 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by r17-6599 on Sat Jul 2 16:15:11 2022.* Now people will actually know where Hostos Community College is.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sun Jul 3 12:00:08 2022, in response to Re: 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Jul 2 20:20:41 2022.* ”Metrotech” was already covered in Allan’s response. As for a legislative mandate: Reagan National Airport.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sun Jul 3 12:01:57 2022, in response to Re: 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Jul 2 20:20:41 2022.* ”Metrotech” was already covered in Allan’s response. As for a legislative mandate: Reagan National Airport.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sun Jul 3 12:02:32 2022, in response to Re: 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Jul 2 20:20:41 2022.* ”Metrotech” was already covered in Allan’s response. As for a legislative mandate: Reagan National Airport.
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Posted by ntrainride* on Sun Jul 3 12:24:05 2022, in response to Re: 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by r17-6599 on Sun Jul 3 10:25:20 2022.* every time on long island, when a municipality renames a street for a corporation that's on the street, the corporation eventually moved.
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Posted by Pelham Exp* on Sun Jul 3 14:44:13 2022, in response to Re: 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 3 11:55:29 2022.* I told you before I'm Independent...and Democrats are destroying this city. Again when you continue to cry poverty and want to raise fares and start congestion pricing... Lets be frugal no matter what the cost. The last regime was nickle and diming the Transit Museum (which serves a greater public good - education, work with the special need kids etc..) Evidently somebody Lobbied for this. ( that's how it works in NY State Pay to Play) Anyway HOSTOS is just a shitty Community College that is there for those who need remedial work b/c the Union of Failed Teacher have can't educate the kids in public schools.
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood* on Sun Jul 3 16:16:30 2022, in response to Re: 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Jul 2 20:20:41 2022.* Have other station renamings been mandated by state law? It's easy enough to find out: "subway station" site:billtrack50.com. Granted it's a Google search of a commercial site republishing from original government sources so the results might not be comprehensive, but the answer is clearly yes.
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Posted by Edwards!* on Sun Jul 3 17:48:04 2022, in response to Re: 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by Pelham Exp on Sun Jul 3 14:44:13 2022.* What a horrible thing to say.
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Posted by murray1575* on Sun Jul 3 18:15:35 2022, in response to Re: 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by ntrainride on Fri Jul 1 21:46:53 2022.* I didn't see why Jay Street (A/C/F) and Lawrence Street (R/W) had to be renamed either when they were connected inside of fare control. However Bleecker Street (6) and Broadway-Lafayette (B/D/F/M) still retained their original names even after the latest reconstruction project was completed. I guess some people at the MTA have to justify their existence.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sun Jul 3 18:43:00 2022, in response to Re: 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by murray1575 on Sun Jul 3 18:15:35 2022.* Lawrence Street is an unknown side street. The renaming made sense.
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Sun Jul 3 23:16:33 2022, in response to Re: 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by Pelham Exp on Sun Jul 3 14:44:13 2022.* Wow
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Posted by randyo* on Mon Jul 4 02:00:28 2022, in response to Re: 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by murray1575 on Sun Jul 3 18:15:35 2022.* I seem tn recall seeing somewhere that Bleecker St was landmarked so that even the name can’t be changed since it would compromise the original name in the station tablets.
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Posted by William A. Padron* on Mon Jul 4 08:13:46 2022, in response to Re: 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by randyo on Mon Jul 4 02:00:28 2022.* That would refer to the IRT station, thus it will always be "Bleecker Street". Oddly, the full time booth (#R217A) is on the uptown side of the station on the south end at Houston Street. Ironically, the letters in the name of "Broadway" on the pre-fab panels on the IND station of Broadway-Lafayette are this same number as that of "Bleecker" (eight of them each). MTA NYCT could get creative, but knowing they will not, is drilling out the "Broadway" squares, and putting in "Bleecker" instead. Could be confusion as Bleecker Street is parallel to Houston Street, and runs the length between Bowery and 6th Avenue, them bends in a northwest direction continuing way up to 8th Avenue, passing 7th Avenue South as one of the side streets. -William A. Padron ["Houston-Lafayette St."]
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Posted by Peter Rosa* on Mon Jul 4 09:26:22 2022, in response to Re: 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by Pelham Exp on Sun Jul 3 14:44:13 2022.* Whatever the quality of Hostos may be, the renaming makes sense if it's a major destination for riders using that station.
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Posted by AlM* on Mon Jul 4 09:47:36 2022, in response to Re: 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by William A. Padron on Mon Jul 4 08:13:46 2022.* Could be confusion as Bleecker Street is parallel to Houston Street Amusingly of course, west of 6th Ave it is perpendicular to Houston Street, since it veers north while Houston veers south.
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Posted by AlM* on Mon Jul 4 09:48:53 2022, in response to Re: 149th St-Grand Concourse renamed to 149th St-Hostos, posted by Peter Rosa on Mon Jul 4 09:26:22 2022.* I guess he feels subway stops can only be named after schools with the very highest quality of students.
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